Re: z/OS v2.1 preview
Peter, Thanks for the info. If this not a replacement for SYSCONS, what is it intedned to be for? Will it be available to users that are accessing the HMC via web browser? Or will one have to point their emulator to a special port on the HMC like accessing an IBM i console via HMC remotely? thanks Dana On Mon, 11 Feb 2013 15:50:49 -0600, Peter Fatzinger f...@us.ibm.com wrote: Dana, These consoles aren't intended as a replacement for the SYSCONS so they will have their own designation, DEVNUM(HMCS). Peter Fatzinger z/OS Core Components Development and Service -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/OS v2.1 preview
Edward Jaffe wrote: On 2/8/2013 7:41 AM, John Eells wrote: Edward Jaffe wrote: On 2/6/2013 6:16 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: FTPS, but not SFTP? Is this retroactive to products older than 2.1? As I understand things, this really has nothing to do with z/OS V2R1. Not sure why it's in the announcement. How else would (or should) we let people know? I was under the impression that this secure FTP requirement was across-the-board and not just z/OS 2.1. Perhaps I'm wrong. IBM is not limited to one announcement per Tuesday. Often, there are multiple announcements in one day. It's definitely NOT limited to z/OS, but we commonly make announcements related to z/OS platform software delivery in the z/OS announcements to avoid the overhead of separate software delivery announcements. Also, some of the things that are affected by the change cannot have their own announcements because of how our announcement system works, and the z/OS announcements seem the best place to reach the widest audience. Last, I was remiss in not mentioning that there are other components to the overall communications plan, including updates to the download page, Technotes, ServiceLink news, SHARE presentation (mine!), and there are a few ways planned to get the word out. -- John Eells z/OS Technical Marketing IBM Poughkeepsie ee...@us.ibm.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/OS v2.1 preview
On Mon, 11 Feb 2013 10:21:15 -0500, John Eells ee...@us.ibm.com wrote: It's definitely NOT limited to z/OS, but we commonly make announcements related to z/OS platform software delivery in the z/OS announcements to avoid the overhead of separate software delivery announcements. Also, some of the things that are affected by the change cannot have their own announcements because of how our announcement system works, and the z/OS announcements seem the best place to reach the widest audience. Unfortunately this information did not make it into the z/VM V6.3 Preview announcement. As you say, it applies to all System z software delivery, not just z/OS. Alan Altmark Senior Managing z/VM and Linux Consultant IBM STG Lab Services -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/OS v2.1 preview
On Mon, 11 Feb 2013 15:15:53 -0600, Alan Altmark alan_altm...@us.ibm.com wrote: Unfortunately this information did not make it into the z/VM V6.3 Preview announcement. As you say, it applies to all System z software delivery, not just z/OS. I realized that this could be misconstrued. While at some point this transition will occur on all platforms, they won't all be affected at the same time. The implementation dates given in the z/OS Preview apply only to z/OS software deliver. Alan Altmark Senior Managing z/VM and Linux Consultant IBM STG Lab Services -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/OS v2.1 preview
On 2/8/2013 7:41 AM, John Eells wrote: Edward Jaffe wrote: On 2/6/2013 6:16 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: FTPS, but not SFTP? Is this retroactive to products older than 2.1? As I understand things, this really has nothing to do with z/OS V2R1. Not sure why it's in the announcement. How else would (or should) we let people know? I was under the impression that this secure FTP requirement was across-the-board and not just z/OS 2.1. Perhaps I'm wrong. IBM is not limited to one announcement per Tuesday. Often, there are multiple announcements in one day. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA 90245 http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: SFTP vs. FTPS (was: z/OS v2.1 preview)
Scott Ford writes: Kirk is correct, Z/os is posix ...uses posix C And z/OS is also UNIX(TM). Indeed, z/OS cannot be called UNIX without being UNIX. Other UNIX operating systems include AIX, Solaris, HP-UX, and Mac OS X. To steer back to the topic at hand, there's a long list of UNIX-related enhancements listed in the z/OS 2.1 Preview. Many/most of them match what I'd like to see personally. Timothy Sipples Consulting Enterprise IT Architect (Based in Singapore) E-Mail: sipp...@sg.ibm.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/OS v2.1 preview
Re: FTPS v. SFTP, there are pros and cons to almost everything in IT. One more pro with FTPS is that many customers have implemented FTP already in various operationally complex ways -- scripts, exits, monitors, whatever, whatever. Flipping on the TLS/SSL switch changes little if anything that way, and we all know that avoiding breakage is a good instinct to have. I'm also told that security geeks tend to prefer FTPS if they have a choice, at least when discussing such things in the back halls of security conferences. And FTPS has the option to encrypt the control channel but leave the transport channel unencrypted to ease the crypto burden for those who are (overly?) sensitive to such things. I don't know whether IBM will even offer that option, but for servicing an operating system that makes sense in the abstract. You definitely want to make sure what you're getting is authentic and verified as coming from IBM and from no one else, you want your own access credentials kept confidential, and you want payloads tested for authenticity, integrity, and fidelity. But you probably don't particularly care if someone else also sees that multi-site distributed code en route. That said, if you don't like FTPS, it isn't the only option. IBM also offers a path called Download Director for z/OS servicing. And of course SFTP is fully supported on z/OS for other purposes. Timothy Sipples Consulting Enterprise IT Architect (Based in Singapore) E-Mail: sipp...@sg.ibm.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/OS v2.1 preview
Martin Packer wrote: Disclaimer: I'm not a product developer and nobody has to listen to me. :-) Yes, zChampion, at this moment I'm not listening to you, but am *forced* to read your mails... ;-D Thanks for your post. Most interesting thread, anyway. Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: SFTP vs. FTPS (was: z/OS v2.1 preview)
On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 7:15 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote: On Thu, 7 Feb 2013 14:20:02 -0600, Kirk Wolf wrote: Walt, You are correct - FTP is more prevalent in z/OS shops. SFTP is much more prevalent in distributed systems since OpenSSH is installed as a default package on all modern Unix/Linux distros. Also, SSH/SFTP uses a single port/connection which has significant advantages when it comes to navigating modern networks. Did you intend to disqualify OMVS as a modern Unix/Linux distro? (Sorry if my sarcasm detector isn't working for your post, but) yeah - z/OS is not a Unix/Linux distro :-) z/OS Unix isn't either - its a POSIX layer for z/OS. Also, a Unix system isn't complete without the full GNU suite, IMO. Kirk Wolf Dovetailed Technologies http://dovetail.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/OS v2.1 preview
On Thu, 7 Feb 2013 23:36:53 -0600, Jim Elliott, IBM jim_elli...@ca.ibm.com wrote: Re the 3270 support. This has been in the HMC for a long time and is used by z/VM. z/OS is finally getting the same support (in addition to the line mode HMC console). So any machine supported by z/OS 2.1 (i.e z9 and later) will have access to 3270 on the HMC. Very good! How will it be represented in CONSOLxx member? Using DEVNUM(SYSCONS) perhaps? Dana -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/OS v2.1 preview
On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 4:03 AM, Martin Packer martin_pac...@uk.ibm.comwrote: Do you know if this is the standard RegExp functions callable from C that are driving this? I've advised various developers that if z/OS product functions standardise on using these we: XKCD must be a z/OS user: http://xkcd.com/1171/ -- zMan -- I've got a mainframe and I'm not afraid to use it -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/OS v2.1 preview
Edward Jaffe wrote: On 2/6/2013 6:16 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: o IBM plans to remove support for unsecured FTP connections used for z/OS software and service delivery October 1, 2013. At that time, it is planned that new System z software (products and service) downloads will require the use of FTPS (FTP using Secure Sockets Layer) or of Download Director with encryption. FTPS, but not SFTP? Is this retroactive to products older than 2.1? As I understand things, this really has nothing to do with z/OS V2R1. Not sure why it's in the announcement. How else would (or should) we let people know? -- John Eells z/OS Technical Marketing IBM Poughkeepsie ee...@us.ibm.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/OS v2.1 preview
John Eels wrote, | How else would (or should) we let people know? and his point is well taken. Piggybacking this information on the z/OS 2.1 (sic) preview was entirely appropriate. The text used was less so. It should have been clearer about scope, retrofitting, and the like. There would of course have been questions---How not? Finding ambiguities in IBM announcements is, oddly, some people's favorite indoor sport---no matter how impeccable this language had been, but their number would have been smaller if it had been better. John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: SFTP vs. FTPS (was: z/OS v2.1 preview)
In cahm_n2mhmefqzznc_5r14ygmzbplh9nzyyv33aflanuchy-...@mail.gmail.com, on 02/08/2013 at 07:59 AM, Kirk Wolf k...@dovetail.com said: (Sorry if my sarcasm detector isn't working for your post, but) yeah - z/OS is not a Unix/Linux distro :-) z/OS Unix isn't either - its a POSIX layer for z/OS. It's certified as Unix, and X/Open is at least as relevant as POSIX. Also, a Unix system isn't complete without the full GNU suite, IMO. GNU is Not Unix (-; -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: SFTP vs. FTPS (was: z/OS v2.1 preview)
Kirk is correct, Z/os is posix ...uses posix C Scott ford www.identityforge.com Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand. - Chinese Proverb On Feb 8, 2013, at 8:59 AM, Kirk Wolf k...@dovetail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 7:15 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote: On Thu, 7 Feb 2013 14:20:02 -0600, Kirk Wolf wrote: Walt, You are correct - FTP is more prevalent in z/OS shops. SFTP is much more prevalent in distributed systems since OpenSSH is installed as a default package on all modern Unix/Linux distros. Also, SSH/SFTP uses a single port/connection which has significant advantages when it comes to navigating modern networks. Did you intend to disqualify OMVS as a modern Unix/Linux distro? (Sorry if my sarcasm detector isn't working for your post, but) yeah - z/OS is not a Unix/Linux distro :-) z/OS Unix isn't either - its a POSIX layer for z/OS. Also, a Unix system isn't complete without the full GNU suite, IMO. Kirk Wolf Dovetailed Technologies http://dovetail.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/OS v2.1 preview
Martin, I am a developer, but that doesn't mean people listen... Scott ford www.identityforge.com Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand. - Chinese Proverb On Feb 8, 2013, at 4:03 AM, Martin Packer martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com wrote: Do you know if this is the standard RegExp functions callable from C that are driving this? I've advised various developers that if z/OS product functions standardise on using these we: 1) All know what to expect - and the skills are interchangeable from tool to tool. 2) Can beat up on the one development team for any enhancements that might be needed. Disclaimer: I'm not a product developer and nobody has to listen to me. :-) Cheers, Martin Martin Packer, zChampion, Principal Systems Investigator, Worldwide Banking Center of Excellence, IBM +44-7802-245-584 email: martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com Twitter / Facebook IDs: MartinPacker Blog: https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/mydeveloperworks/blogs/MartinPacker From: Mark Zelden m...@mzelden.com To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu, Date: 02/07/2013 10:58 PM Subject:Re: z/OS v2.1 preview Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu I just downloaded a current version of SPFlist (was running 4.3, current is 6.1) and found out is supports regular expressions now. http://spflite.co.nr/ I don't know what ISPF's implementation will be like, but for SPFLite you use FIND R'regular expression'. So I can play with this now. :-) Mark -- Mark Zelden - Zelden Consulting Services - z/OS, OS/390 and MVS mailto:m...@mzelden.com Mark's MVS Utilities: http://www.mzelden.com/mvsutil.html Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ On Tue, 5 Feb 2013 20:23:48 +, Martin Packer martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com wrote: I think you're going to like them, Mark. Not that I've found a system to play with this on yet. Cheers, Martin Martin Packer, zChampion, Principal Systems Investigator, Worldwide Banking Center of Excellence, IBM +44-7802-245-584 email: martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com Twitter / Facebook IDs: MartinPacker Blog: https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/mydeveloperworks/blogs/MartinPacker From: Mark Zelden m...@mzelden.com To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu, Date: 02/05/2013 07:48 PM Subject:Re: z/OS v2.1 preview Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu I know of at least a few people on this list that will love this one: The ISPF editor is planned to allow regular expressions to be specified as arguments to the FIND and CHANGE commands. I've even used Doug Nadel's FINDRX macro a few times, but admit I still don't really get regular expressions (I'm sure if I used *nix more I would). -- Mark Zelden - Zelden Consulting Services - z/OS, OS/390 and MVS mailto:m...@mzelden.com Mark's MVS Utilities: http://www.mzelden.com/mvsutil.html Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN Unless stated otherwise above: IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number 741598. Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN Unless stated otherwise above: IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number 741598. Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/OS v2.1 preview
On 2/6/2013 6:16 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: o IBM plans to remove support for unsecured FTP connections used for z/OS software and service delivery October 1, 2013. At that time, it is planned that new System z software (products and service) downloads will require the use of FTPS (FTP using Secure Sockets Layer) or of Download Director with encryption. FTPS, but not SFTP? Is this retroactive to products older than 2.1? As I understand things, this really has nothing to do with z/OS V2R1. Not sure why it's in the announcement. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA 90245 http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: LISTSERV Broken (was Re: z/OS v2.1 preview)
In 8554501921281598.wa.elardus.engelbrechtsita.co...@listserv.ua.edu, on 02/06/2013 at 02:37 PM, Elardus Engelbrecht elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za said: Radoslaw (on offense meant!!!) and some posters are using an encoding / character scheme which makes the quoting part useless. From: R.S. r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl No encoding, perfectly valid RFC 5322 From header field. Now Gadi has RFC 2047 encoding, but that'salso bog standard these days. From: =?windows-1255?Q?=E2=E3=E9_=E1=EF_=E0=E1=E9?= gad...@malam.com -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: SFTP vs. FTPS (was: z/OS v2.1 preview)
Walt, You are correct - FTP is more prevalent in z/OS shops. SFTP is much more prevalent in distributed systems since OpenSSH is installed as a default package on all modern Unix/Linux distros. Also, SSH/SFTP uses a single port/connection which has significant advantages when it comes to navigating modern networks. Kirk Wolf Dovetailed Technologies http://dovetail.com +1 636.300.0901 On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Walt Farrell walt.farr...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, 6 Feb 2013 09:27:18 -0600, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote: On Wed, 6 Feb 2013 08:57:41 -0600, Walt Farrell wrote: ... new System z software (products and service) downloads will require the use of FTPS (FTP using Secure Sockets Layer) or of Download Director with encryption. FTPS, but not SFTP? Remember, SFTP is not FTP; it's SSH, a totally different protocol and set of programs. Exactly, notwithstanding some superficial similarity in line commands. But I'm set up for SSH on various hosts -- authorized_keys, etc. SFTP comes naturally, then. FTPS isn't in my skill set. What's the relative prevalence of SFTP and FTPS in the outside world? I have no idea of the prevalence. On the other hand, FTPS _is_ FTP, and it's likely that more z/OS sites have FTP servers than have SSH servers. And if you have FTP then setting up FTPS is (I think) largely a matter of putting the right certificate in the right key ring, which is all native to z/OS and doesn't require installing and configuring SSH (from Ported Tools) if you haven't done so already. -- Walt -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/OS v2.1 preview
I just downloaded a current version of SPFlist (was running 4.3, current is 6.1) and found out is supports regular expressions now. http://spflite.co.nr/ I don't know what ISPF's implementation will be like, but for SPFLite you use FIND R'regular expression'. So I can play with this now. :-) Mark -- Mark Zelden - Zelden Consulting Services - z/OS, OS/390 and MVS mailto:m...@mzelden.com Mark's MVS Utilities: http://www.mzelden.com/mvsutil.html Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ On Tue, 5 Feb 2013 20:23:48 +, Martin Packer martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com wrote: I think you're going to like them, Mark. Not that I've found a system to play with this on yet. Cheers, Martin Martin Packer, zChampion, Principal Systems Investigator, Worldwide Banking Center of Excellence, IBM +44-7802-245-584 email: martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com Twitter / Facebook IDs: MartinPacker Blog: https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/mydeveloperworks/blogs/MartinPacker From: Mark Zelden m...@mzelden.com To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu, Date: 02/05/2013 07:48 PM Subject:Re: z/OS v2.1 preview Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu I know of at least a few people on this list that will love this one: The ISPF editor is planned to allow regular expressions to be specified as arguments to the FIND and CHANGE commands. I've even used Doug Nadel's FINDRX macro a few times, but admit I still don't really get regular expressions (I'm sure if I used *nix more I would). -- Mark Zelden - Zelden Consulting Services - z/OS, OS/390 and MVS mailto:m...@mzelden.com Mark's MVS Utilities: http://www.mzelden.com/mvsutil.html Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN Unless stated otherwise above: IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number 741598. Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/OS v2.1 preview
Time to stop working for the day. That should have been SPFLite, not SPFList. The URL is correct. Mark On Thu, 7 Feb 2013 16:59:01 -0600, Mark Zelden m...@mzelden.com wrote: I just downloaded a current version of SPFlist (was running 4.3, current is 6.1) and found out is supports regular expressions now. http://spflite.co.nr/ I don't know what ISPF's implementation will be like, but for SPFLite you use FIND R'regular expression'. So I can play with this now. :-) Mark -- Mark Zelden - Zelden Consulting Services - z/OS, OS/390 and MVS mailto:m...@mzelden.com Mark's MVS Utilities: http://www.mzelden.com/mvsutil.html Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ On Tue, 5 Feb 2013 20:23:48 +, Martin Packer martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com wrote: I think you're going to like them, Mark. Not that I've found a system to play with this on yet. Cheers, Martin Martin Packer, zChampion, Principal Systems Investigator, Worldwide Banking Center of Excellence, IBM +44-7802-245-584 email: martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com Twitter / Facebook IDs: MartinPacker Blog: https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/mydeveloperworks/blogs/MartinPacker From: Mark Zelden m...@mzelden.com To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu, Date: 02/05/2013 07:48 PM Subject:Re: z/OS v2.1 preview Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu I know of at least a few people on this list that will love this one: The ISPF editor is planned to allow regular expressions to be specified as arguments to the FIND and CHANGE commands. I've even used Doug Nadel's FINDRX macro a few times, but admit I still don't really get regular expressions (I'm sure if I used *nix more I would). -- Mark Zelden - Zelden Consulting Services - z/OS, OS/390 and MVS mailto:m...@mzelden.com Mark's MVS Utilities: http://www.mzelden.com/mvsutil.html Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN Unless stated otherwise above: IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number 741598. Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: SFTP vs. FTPS (was: z/OS v2.1 preview)
On Thu, 7 Feb 2013 14:20:02 -0600, Kirk Wolf wrote: Walt, You are correct - FTP is more prevalent in z/OS shops. SFTP is much more prevalent in distributed systems since OpenSSH is installed as a default package on all modern Unix/Linux distros. Also, SSH/SFTP uses a single port/connection which has significant advantages when it comes to navigating modern networks. Did you intend to disqualify OMVS as a modern Unix/Linux distro? -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/OS v2.1 preview
Re the 3270 support. This has been in the HMC for a long time and is used by z/VM. z/OS is finally getting the same support (in addition to the line mode HMC console). So any machine supported by z/OS 2.1 (i.e z9 and later) will have access to 3270 on the HMC. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/OS v2.1 preview
On Tue, 5 Feb 2013 10:16:38 +0200, גדי בן אבי wrote: IBM has published z/OS v2.1 preview at http://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/cgi-bin/ssialias?subtype=cainfotype=anappname=iSourcesupplier=877letternum=ENUSZP13-0013 Did anyone notice?: o Global Resource Serialization support designed to allow programs to synchronously change an exclusive enqueue to a shared enqueue to help reduce contention, in addition to existing support for changing an enqueue from shared to exclusive There is also a preview of z/VM v6.3 at http://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/cgi-bin/ssialias?subtype=cainfotype=anappname=iSourcesupplier=877letternum=ENUSZP13-0027 -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/OS v2.1 preview
W dniu 2013-02-06 14:41, Paul Gilmartin pisze: On Tue, 5 Feb 2013 10:16:38 +0200, גדי בן אבי wrote: IBM has published z/OS v2.1 preview at http://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/cgi-bin/ssialias?subtype=cainfotype=anappname=iSourcesupplier=877letternum=ENUSZP13-0013 Did anyone notice?: o Global Resource Serialization support designed to allow programs to synchronously change an exclusive enqueue to a shared enqueue to help reduce contention, in addition to existing support for changing an enqueue from shared to exclusive I noticed, however the point is in application. Program is allowed to do that, but IMHO no one is doing that nowadays. So we must wait for appliction support. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- Treść tej wiadomości może zawierać informacje prawnie chronione Banku przeznaczone wyłącznie do użytku służbowego adresata. Odbiorcą może być jedynie jej adresat z wyłączeniem dostępu osób trzecich. Jeżeli nie jesteś adresatem niniejszej wiadomości lub pracownikiem upoważnionym do jej przekazania adresatowi, informujemy, że jej rozpowszechnianie, kopiowanie, rozprowadzanie lub inne działanie o podobnym charakterze jest prawnie zabronione i może być karalne. Jeżeli otrzymałeś tę wiadomość omyłkowo, prosimy niezwłocznie zawiadomić nadawcę wysyłając odpowiedź oraz trwale usunąć tę wiadomość włączając w to wszelkie jej kopie wydrukowane lub zapisane na dysku. This e-mail may contain legally privileged information of the Bank and is intended solely for business use of the addressee. This e-mail may only be received by the addressee and may not be disclosed to any third parties. If you are not the intended addressee of this e-mail or the employee authorised to forward it to the addressee, be advised that any dissemination, copying, distribution or any other similar activity is legally prohibited and may be punishable. If you received this e-mail by mistake please advise the sender immediately by using the reply facility in your e-mail software and delete permanently this e-mail including any copies of it either printed or saved to hard drive. BRE Bank SA, 00-950 Warszawa, ul. Senatorska 18, tel. +48 (22) 829 00 00, fax +48 (22) 829 00 33, www.brebank.pl, e-mail: i...@brebank.pl Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, nr rejestru przedsiębiorców KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Według stanu na dzień 01.01.2013 r. kapitał zakładowy BRE Banku SA (w całości wpłacony) wynosi 168.555.904 złotych. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/OS v2.1 preview
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of R.S. Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 14:45 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: z/OS v2.1 preview W dniu 2013-02-06 14:41, Paul Gilmartin pisze: On Tue, 5 Feb 2013 10:16:38 +0200, גדי בן אבי wrote: IBM has published z/OS v2.1 preview at http://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/cgi-bin/ssialias?subtype=cainfotype =anappname=iSourcesupplier=877letternum=ENUSZP13-0013 Did anyone notice?: o Global Resource Serialization support designed to allow programs to synchronously change an exclusive enqueue to a shared enqueue to help reduce contention, in addition to existing support for changing an enqueue from shared to exclusive I noticed, however the point is in application. Program is allowed to do that, but IMHO no one is doing that nowadays. So we must wait for appliction support. -- Radoslaw Skorupka --- However, there have been questions in the past, why it was possible to change an ENQ from SHR to OLD, but not vise versa. So the demand is there and the implementations will follow. Kees. For information, services and offers, please visit our web site: http://www.klm.com. This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij NV (KLM), its subsidiaries and/or its employees shall not be liable for the incorrect or incomplete transmission of this e-mail or any attachments, nor responsible for any delay in receipt. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij N.V. (also known as KLM Royal Dutch Airlines) is registered in Amstelveen, The Netherlands, with registered number 33014286 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/OS v2.1 preview
On Tue, 5 Feb 2013 10:16:38 +0200, גדי בן אבי wrote: IBM has published z/OS v2.1 preview at http://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/cgi-bin/ssialias?subtype=cainfotype=anappname=iSourcesupplier=877letternum=ENUSZP13-0013 o In z/OS V2.1 DFSMS, improvements in the processing of catalog aliases are planned. For data set aliases in the master catalog that specify a different high-level qualifier for a data set, the system will be designed to reorient the search with the master catalog or the appropriate user catalog. Also, creation dates are planned to be stored for alias entries and listed by the IDCAMS utility. Damn! I needed this so badly once (first sentence, if I understand it correctly), and the traditionalists on this list told me it could never be done. And wildcarding on IEBCOPY SELECT. Well, I've never needed it, but it makes sense. (But not regex.) And bigger PDSEs. With space release facility. (But how long before it's stable?) ... A new random number cache. ... Oh, goody! Now I can reuse my random numbers, not just throw them away. Actually, it makes sense; it's kind of a lookahead to reduce latency. o In z/OS V2.1, SMP/E is planned to be changed to allow you to use the SMP/E dialog with multiple ISPF logical screens at a time when different SMP/E zones are in use with each logical screen. This is intended to improve the usability of the SMP/E ISPF dialog. There have been times I've wanted this. I suspected it was precluded by DDNAME conflicts. But still no Rexx API. o IBM plans to remove support for unsecured FTP connections used for z/OS software and service delivery October 1, 2013. At that time, it is planned that new System z software (products and service) downloads will require the use of FTPS (FTP using Secure Sockets Layer) or of Download Director with encryption. FTPS, but not SFTP? Is this retroactive to products older than 2.1? There is also a preview of z/VM v6.3 at http://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/cgi-bin/ssialias?subtype=cainfotype=anappname=iSourcesupplier=877letternum=ENUSZP13-0027 -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/OS v2.1 preview
On Feb 6, 2013, at 06:45, R.S. wrote: W dniu 2013-02-06 14:41, Paul Gilmartin pisze: On Tue, 5 Feb 2013 10:16:38 +0200, גדי בן אבי wrote: IBM has published z/OS v2.1 preview at http://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/cgi-bin/ssialias?subtype=cainfotype=anappname=iSourcesupplier=877letternum=ENUSZP13-0013 Did anyone notice?: o Global Resource Serialization support designed to allow programs to synchronously change an exclusive enqueue to a shared enqueue to help reduce contention, in addition to existing support for changing an enqueue from shared to exclusive I noticed, however the point is in application. Program is allowed to do that, but IMHO no one is doing that nowadays. So we must wait for appliction support. As I read further, accessible in JCL with a JOB statement option. This is not a razor blade waiting anxiously for the invention of the razor. Rather, the converse has been true for decades. (And I must always reply to R.S. via email because LISTSERV is broken.) -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/OS v2.1 preview
On Tue, 5 Feb 2013 21:37:18 -0500, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+...@patriot.net wrote: In 1877842424347351.wa.markmzelden@listserv.ua.edu, on 02/05/2013 at 01:48 PM, Mark Zelden m...@mzelden.com said: I've even used Doug Nadel's FINDRX macro a few times, but admit I still don't really get regular expressions (I'm sure if I used *nix more I would). Thin of a regex as a SNOBOL pattern. The only pattern I know about snowball is when I throw one at a window and it splatters. :-) -- Mark Zelden - Zelden Consulting Services - z/OS, OS/390 and MVS mailto:m...@mzelden.com Mark's MVS Utilities: http://www.mzelden.com/mvsutil.html Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/OS v2.1 preview
On Wed, 6 Feb 2013 08:16:52 -0600, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote: On Tue, 5 Feb 2013 10:16:38 +0200, גדי בן אבי wrote: o IBM plans to remove support for unsecured FTP connections used for z/OS software and service delivery October 1, 2013. At that time, it is planned that new System z software (products and service) downloads will require the use of FTPS (FTP using Secure Sockets Layer) or of Download Director with encryption. FTPS, but not SFTP? Remember, SFTP is not FTP; it's SSH, a totally different protocol and set of programs. -- Walt -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/OS v2.1 preview
On Wed, 6 Feb 2013 08:57:41 -0600, Walt Farrell walt.farr...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 6 Feb 2013 08:16:52 -0600, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote: On Tue, 5 Feb 2013 10:16:38 +0200, גדי בן אבי wrote: o IBM plans to remove support for unsecured FTP connections used for z/OS software and service delivery October 1, 2013. At that time, it is planned that new System z software (products and service) downloads will require the use of FTPS (FTP using Secure Sockets Layer) or of Download Director with encryption. FTPS, but not SFTP? Remember, SFTP is not FTP; it's SSH, a totally different protocol and set of programs. -- You can get SFTP today (and for a long time) with ported tools. Mark -- Mark Zelden - Zelden Consulting Services - z/OS, OS/390 and MVS mailto:m...@mzelden.com Mark's MVS Utilities: http://www.mzelden.com/mvsutil.html Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
SFTP vs. FTPS (was: z/OS v2.1 preview)
On Wed, 6 Feb 2013 08:57:41 -0600, Walt Farrell wrote: ... new System z software (products and service) downloads will require the use of FTPS (FTP using Secure Sockets Layer) or of Download Director with encryption. FTPS, but not SFTP? Remember, SFTP is not FTP; it's SSH, a totally different protocol and set of programs. Exactly, notwithstanding some superficial similarity in line commands. But I'm set up for SSH on various hosts -- authorized_keys, etc. SFTP comes naturally, then. FTPS isn't in my skill set. What's the relative prevalence of SFTP and FTPS in the outside world? -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: SFTP vs. FTPS (was: z/OS v2.1 preview)
On Wed, 6 Feb 2013 09:27:18 -0600, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote: On Wed, 6 Feb 2013 08:57:41 -0600, Walt Farrell wrote: ... new System z software (products and service) downloads will require the use of FTPS (FTP using Secure Sockets Layer) or of Download Director with encryption. FTPS, but not SFTP? Remember, SFTP is not FTP; it's SSH, a totally different protocol and set of programs. Exactly, notwithstanding some superficial similarity in line commands. But I'm set up for SSH on various hosts -- authorized_keys, etc. SFTP comes naturally, then. FTPS isn't in my skill set. What's the relative prevalence of SFTP and FTPS in the outside world? I have no idea of the prevalence. On the other hand, FTPS _is_ FTP, and it's likely that more z/OS sites have FTP servers than have SSH servers. And if you have FTP then setting up FTPS is (I think) largely a matter of putting the right certificate in the right key ring, which is all native to z/OS and doesn't require installing and configuring SSH (from Ported Tools) if you haven't done so already. -- Walt -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
LISTSERV Broken (was Re: z/OS v2.1 preview)
Paul Gilmartin wrote (or ranting ;-D ): (And I must always reply to R.S. via email because LISTSERV is broken.) Are you refering to the part where you want to quote the 'Original Message' in a 'Send Message' panel? I.e. when you use a browser and then click on 'Reply'? Radoslaw (on offense meant!!!) and some posters are using an encoding / character scheme which makes the quoting part useless. The viewable text are translated (back to the scheme as e-mailed), resulting into something unreadable. Like this example: XYZ wrote: ashfjashasfkadjf dfaskfhasfasasdfa where the original text was viewable on the previous screen. If so, I think it was already reported, but I will check (again) with LSOFT and Darren about this... Work around: Select text to use, copy that, click on Reply and paste in message window. Compose + Reply as usual. Somewhat clumsy, but it works always. Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/OS v2.1 preview
In 0734310202845582.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on 02/06/2013 at 07:41 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said: Did anyone notice?: Yes, among other things. There's a JCL change to go along with the GRS change. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/OS v2.1 preview
In 51125e6c.5050...@bremultibank.com.pl, on 02/06/2013 at 02:45 PM, R.S. r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl said: I noticed, however the point is in application. Program is allowed to do that, but IMHO no one is doing that nowadays. So we must wait for appliction support. Nonsense. Corresponding support is planned in JCL for a new JOB statement keyword to allow you to specify that access to data sets can transition from exclusive to shared after the last step in which they are allocated with a disposition of OLD, NEW, or MOD. Also, support is planned for a JES2 initialization statement (inish deck) to specify whether this function should be allowed, and whether it should be used by default if not specified in JCL. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/OS v2.1 preview
In 3230590867699769.wa.markmzelden@listserv.ua.edu, on 02/06/2013 at 08:28 AM, Mark Zelden m...@mzelden.com said: On Tue, 5 Feb 2013 21:37:18 -0500, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+...@patriot.net wrote: In 1877842424347351.wa.markmzelden@listserv.ua.edu, on 02/05/2013 at 01:48 PM, Mark Zelden m...@mzelden.com said: I've even used Doug Nadel's FINDRX macro a few times, but admit I still don't really get regular expressions (I'm sure if I used *nix more I would). Thin of a regex as a SNOBOL pattern. The only pattern I know about snowball is when I throw one at a window and it splatters. :-) Wouldn't that have to be an ICEBOL? A SPITBOL wouldn't break the window. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: LISTSERV Broken (was Re: z/OS v2.1 preview)
On Wed, 6 Feb 2013 14:37:59 -0600, Elardus Engelbrecht wrote: Paul Gilmartin wrote (or ranting ;-D ): Righteously. (And I must always reply to R.S. via email because LISTSERV is broken.) Are you refering to the part where you want to quote the 'Original Message' in a 'Send Message' panel? I.e. when you use a browser and then click on 'Reply'? Precisely. Radoslaw (on offense meant!!!) and some posters are using an encoding / character scheme which makes the quoting part useless. The viewable text are translated (back to the scheme as e-mailed), resulting into something unreadable. That scheme is Base64 Content-Transfer-Encoding, defined in RFC 1521 (1993) and prevalent in Internet text messaging (though perhaps diminishing in favor of quoted-printable). If so, I think it was already reported, but I will check (again) with LSOFT and Darren about this... WAD, or deafening silence? If LISTSERV can render it properly in browsing, it ought to be able to do likewise in replying. Work around: Select text to use, copy that, click on Reply and paste in message window. Compose + Reply as usual. Somewhat clumsy, but it works always. As I said, I reply from email in such cases. Not easily accessible from work. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
z/OS v2.1 preview
IBM has published z/OS v2.1 preview at http://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/cgi-bin/ssialias?subtype=cainfotype=anappname=iSourcesupplier=877letternum=ENUSZP13-0013 There is also a preview of z/VM v6.3 at http://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/cgi-bin/ssialias?subtype=cainfotype=anappname=iSourcesupplier=877letternum=ENUSZP13-0027 Gadi לשימת לבך, בהתאם לנהלי החברה וזכויות החתימה בה, כל הצעה, התחייבות או מצג מטעם החברה, מחייבים מסמך נפרד וחתום על ידי מורשי החתימה של החברה, הנושא את לוגו החברה או שמה המודפס ובצירוף חותמת החברה. בהעדר מסמך כאמור (לרבות מסמך סרוק) המצורף להודעת דואר אלקטרוני זאת, אין לראות באמור בהודעה אלא משום טיוטה לדיון, ואין להסתמך עליה לביצוע פעולה עסקית או משפטית כלשהי. Please note that in accordance with Malam's signatory rights, no offer, agreement, concession or representation is binding on the company, unless accompanied by a duly signed separate document (or a scanned version thereof), affixed with the company's seal. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/OS v2.1 preview
On Tue, 5 Feb 2013 10:16:38 +0200, GADI wrote: IBM has published z/OS v2.1 preview at ... And just today I was discussing who might be ESP candidates here in Aus. So z/OSMF rolls on - IBMs push to quarantine all us old souls (???) in the chook pen. The RMF records for Linux (on z, zBX) looks a positive step, but how about IPCS support for Linux. _Then_ they'd have something to crow about. Shane ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/OS v2.1 preview
Minimum hardware is z9. No z800/z900 or z890/z990. -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/OS v2.1 preview
On Tue, 5 Feb 2013 10:41:23 -0500, Scott Ford wrote: What about companies not running a Z9 ? You mean, like a 3081? -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/OS v2.1 preview
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Re: z/OS v2.1 preview
Interesting bit in the announcement: In z/OS V2.1, support is planned to allow the Hardware Management Console Integrated 3270 Console on System z and zEnterprise servers to be used as a z/OS console during and after IPL. This capability is intended to add another backup console and to allow z/OS LPARs to be operated without OSA-ICC 3270 connections when necessary. I wonder how they will implement that? Will it require zEC12? Dana -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/OS v2.1 preview
Gil: Like z/PDT ...because 1090 is emulation, I think it can run emulating a z9.. Scott J Ford Software Engineer http://www.identityforge.com/ From: Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2013 11:00 AM Subject: Re: z/OS v2.1 preview On Tue, 5 Feb 2013 10:41:23 -0500, Scott Ford wrote: What about companies not running a Z9 ? You mean, like a 3081? -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/OS v2.1 preview
I know of at least a few people on this list that will love this one: The ISPF editor is planned to allow regular expressions to be specified as arguments to the FIND and CHANGE commands. I've even used Doug Nadel's FINDRX macro a few times, but admit I still don't really get regular expressions (I'm sure if I used *nix more I would). -- Mark Zelden - Zelden Consulting Services - z/OS, OS/390 and MVS mailto:m...@mzelden.com Mark's MVS Utilities: http://www.mzelden.com/mvsutil.html Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/OS v2.1 preview
I think you're going to like them, Mark. Not that I've found a system to play with this on yet. Cheers, Martin Martin Packer, zChampion, Principal Systems Investigator, Worldwide Banking Center of Excellence, IBM +44-7802-245-584 email: martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com Twitter / Facebook IDs: MartinPacker Blog: https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/mydeveloperworks/blogs/MartinPacker From: Mark Zelden m...@mzelden.com To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu, Date: 02/05/2013 07:48 PM Subject:Re: z/OS v2.1 preview Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu I know of at least a few people on this list that will love this one: The ISPF editor is planned to allow regular expressions to be specified as arguments to the FIND and CHANGE commands. I've even used Doug Nadel's FINDRX macro a few times, but admit I still don't really get regular expressions (I'm sure if I used *nix more I would). -- Mark Zelden - Zelden Consulting Services - z/OS, OS/390 and MVS mailto:m...@mzelden.com Mark's MVS Utilities: http://www.mzelden.com/mvsutil.html Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN Unless stated otherwise above: IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number 741598. Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/OS v2.1 preview
I wonder which version of Regular Expressions this will use. Basic or Extended or Perl Compatible. On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Martin Packer martin_pac...@uk.ibm.comwrote: I think you're going to like them, Mark. Not that I've found a system to play with this on yet. Cheers, Martin Martin Packer, zChampion, Principal Systems Investigator, Worldwide Banking Center of Excellence, IBM +44-7802-245-584 email: martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com Twitter / Facebook IDs: MartinPacker Blog: https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/mydeveloperworks/blogs/MartinPacker From: Mark Zelden m...@mzelden.com To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu, Date: 02/05/2013 07:48 PM Subject:Re: z/OS v2.1 preview Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu I know of at least a few people on this list that will love this one: The ISPF editor is planned to allow regular expressions to be specified as arguments to the FIND and CHANGE commands. I've even used Doug Nadel's FINDRX macro a few times, but admit I still don't really get regular expressions (I'm sure if I used *nix more I would). -- Mark Zelden - Zelden Consulting Services - z/OS, OS/390 and MVS mailto:m...@mzelden.com Mark's MVS Utilities: http://www.mzelden.com/mvsutil.html Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN Unless stated otherwise above: IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number 741598. Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- This is a test of the Emergency Broadcast System. If this had been an actual emergency, do you really think we'd stick around to tell you? Maranatha! John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On Tue, 5 Feb 2013 14:27:19 -0600, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com wrote: I wonder which version of Regular Expressions this will use. Basic or Extended or Perl Compatible. I would guess the same thing that z/OS Unix supports. Basic - like everything is in z/OS Unix. :-) http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/zos/v1r12/index.jsp?topic=%2Fcom.ibm.zos.r12.bpxa500%2Fregexpa.htm -- Mark Zelden - Zelden Consulting Services - z/OS, OS/390 and MVS mailto:m...@mzelden.com Mark's MVS Utilities: http://www.mzelden.com/mvsutil.html Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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sed -E will use Extended regular expressions. Personally, I like PCRE. But I will make do even with basic regexps. Of course, I will never see z/OS 2.1. On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 2:55 PM, Mark Zelden m...@mzelden.com wrote: On Tue, 5 Feb 2013 14:27:19 -0600, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com wrote: I wonder which version of Regular Expressions this will use. Basic or Extended or Perl Compatible. I would guess the same thing that z/OS Unix supports. Basic - like everything is in z/OS Unix. :-) http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/zos/v1r12/index.jsp?topic=%2Fcom.ibm.zos.r12.bpxa500%2Fregexpa.htm -- Mark Zelden - Zelden Consulting Services - z/OS, OS/390 and MVS mailto:m...@mzelden.com Mark's MVS Utilities: http://www.mzelden.com/mvsutil.html Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- This is a test of the Emergency Broadcast System. If this had been an actual emergency, do you really think we'd stick around to tell you? Maranatha! John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/OS v2.1 preview
Dana Mitchell wrote: Interesting bit in the announcement: In z/OS V2.1, support is planned to allow the Hardware Management Console Integrated 3270 Console on System z and zEnterprise servers to be used as a z/OS console during and after IPL. This capability is intended to add another backup console and to allow z/OS LPARs to be operated without OSA-ICC 3270 connections when necessary. I wonder how they will implement that? Will it require zEC12? snip It is not planned to require a zEC12. z/OS V2.1 is planned to run on z9 and later servers, and this function is planned to work on all supported servers. -- John Eells z/OS Technical Marketing IBM Poughkeepsie ee...@us.ibm.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
