Re: I would love to know what went wrong at NAB

2010-12-01 Thread Ron Hawkins
Chris, If I remember rightly it was a bug in IMS 2.2 or 2.3. If I remember correctly NAB (where I worked at the time) had found the bug in stress and regression testing (TPNS for those that remember it) and were waiting for the fix that hit Westpac. Funny how times have changed. Ron

Re: I would love to know what went wrong at NAB

2010-12-01 Thread Ron Hawkins
Wayne, Hmm I seem to remember a past-tapes-processed file that prevented CEMTEX and other exchange files, value and non-value being processed twice in the File Exchange part of NAB's batch. The tape was just a holdover from an old naming convention, but it used to prevent files from being

Re: I would love to know what went wrong at NAB

2010-12-01 Thread Stephen Mednick
Nostalgia, don't you just love it. Stephen Mednick Computer Supervisory Services Sydney, Australia Asia/Pacific representatives for Innovation Data Processing, Inc. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Ron Hawkins Sent:

best method to completely list all cataloged data sets

2010-12-01 Thread Dr. Stephen Fedtke
hi all, what is the best method to achieve a complete list of all currently cataloged data sets? really all. actually, like using ** in the 3.4 data set criterion. is there actually the need to determine all catalogs/aliases, and perform (recursiveley) list on them, ... thanks for any info.

Re: VTFM vs TMM

2010-12-01 Thread Ron Hawkins
Techie, Your statement suggests that only internal drives have P-i-T IO consistency with replication products like TrueCopy and HUR. This is not correct. For virtualized midrange disks, synchronous and asynchronous replication is handled by the Enterprise Array providing the virtualization, not

Re: I would love to know what went wrong at NAB

2010-12-01 Thread Ron Hawkins
Steve, Actually it is sort of disappointing that some of the practices that made this stuff bullet proof are being pigeon holed as legacy systems and removed from the process. A bit like throwing the baby out with the bath water. Ron -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion

Re: best method to completely list all cataloged data sets

2010-12-01 Thread Shane
Depends (maybe) on what you mean by really all. Some years ago I was playing with the CSI and it found *all* the catalogs and datasets within them. - including an MCAT for another system that was connected as a UCAT - and including an MCAT for another system that was *NOT* connected as a UCAT.

Re: best method to completely list all cataloged data sets

2010-12-01 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Dr. Stephen Fedtke wrote: what is the best method to achieve a complete list of all currently cataloged data sets? really all. actually, like using ** in the 3.4 data set criterion. Use Catalog Search Interface with Assembler or REXX. It is faster than =3.4 or IDCAMS LISTC and perhaps ISMF

Re: Question concerning CMF reporting of CPU Delay

2010-12-01 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Time slice? Normally PR/SM is running interrupt driven, not time sliced unless you tell configure it so. Actually, PR/SM always works with time slices (50ms IIRC). But, weights are only enforced when there is processor constraint. The HIPERVISOR doles out CPU in slice increments based on

Re: Question concerning CMF reporting of CPU Delay

2010-12-01 Thread O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]
I'm sorry; I should have worded that differently. I did not mean 'time slice' per se but rather the weight assigned to each LPAR. This is a constrained system so as Ted points out the weights are being enforced. David O'Brien NIH Contractor -Original Message- From: Ted MacNEIL

Re: 64 bit mode disabled

2010-12-01 Thread Micheal Butz
So 64 bit mode is like a Dataspace Sent from my iPhone On Dec 1, 2010, at 12:09 AM, Chris Craddock crashlu...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Gerhard Adam gada...@charter.net wrote: How would you branch to code above the 2GB bar, since none is allowed there? The

Re: 64 bit mode disabled

2010-12-01 Thread Bob Shannon
So 64 bit mode is like a Dataspace The immediate problem addressed by amode 64 was to move data above the bar. Hence the current similarity to dataspaces. However, the architecture supports 64 bit execution; the problem is that the operating system doesn't. As Chris Craddock pointed out, many

Re: 64 bit mode disabled

2010-12-01 Thread Micheal Butz
So we are waiting for waitting for IBM To introduce a new control block the RBX. (rb extension for 64 bit gpr and new rbopsw). There should be a lot contracting jobs opening up in POK Sent from my iPhone On Dec 1, 2010, at 6:48 AM, Bob Shannon bshan...@rocketsoftware.com wrote: So 64

Re: Z10 BC SNA Console

2010-12-01 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In a6b9336cdb62bb46b9f8708e686a7ea005d5e05...@nrhmms8p02.uicnrh.dom, on 11/30/2010 at 11:49 AM, McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com said: There is an integrated 3270 emulator on the HMC. However, it is __NOT__ supported by z/OS. I know that z/VM supports it. z/VM calls this the SYSG

Re: A New Threat for password hacking

2010-12-01 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In mm5af61vbrcsh8q2936g0d195sbvh16...@4ax.com, on 11/30/2010 at 11:26 AM, Clark Morris cfmpub...@ns.sympatico.ca said: Security is not that high a priority in many organizations where the mantra is get the job done whatever it takes. ITYM get part of the job done even if it sabotages another

Re: Z10 BC SNA Console

2010-12-01 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 7:36 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Z10 BC SNA Console In

Re: 64 bit mode disabled

2010-12-01 Thread Tom Marchant
On Wed, 1 Dec 2010 06:38:58 -0500, Micheal Butz wrote: So 64 bit mode is like a Dataspace No, it isn't. A data space requires that you run in AR mode (or secondary space mode). Using 64-bit mode allows you to access memory above 2GB within the same address space. It increases the available

Re: Could we define ARM Couple datasesr and OMVS Couple dataset?

2010-12-01 Thread Staller, Allan
Either or both! SNIP ARM Couple datasesr and OMVS Couple dataset? 1) Yes you can define these files and policies. A CF is not needed for this. 2) an OMVS couple dataset would only be needed if there are multiple images sharing HFS/ZFS files, See the Setting up a SYSPLEX books (I believe this

Re: 64 bit mode disabled

2010-12-01 Thread Micheal Butz
You are correct SIR Sent from my iPhone On Dec 1, 2010, at 8:38 AM, Tom Marchant m42tom-ibmm...@yahoo.com wrote: On Wed, 1 Dec 2010 06:38:58 -0500, Micheal Butz wrote: So 64 bit mode is like a Dataspace No, it isn't. A data space requires that you run in AR mode (or secondary space

Re: 64 bit mode disabled

2010-12-01 Thread Ted MacNEIL
So we are waiting for waitting for IBM To introduce a new control block the RBX. (rb extension for 64 bit gpr and new rbopsw). There should be a lot contracting jobs opening up in POK The same thing happened with 370 to XA, and probably with revolutions in previous versions (I wasn't there

Re: I would love to know what went wrong at NAB

2010-12-01 Thread Steve Comstock
On 11/30/2010 10:34 PM, Jim Phoenix wrote: Mike Schwab wrote: On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 7:01 PM, Wayne Bickerdike wayn...@gmail.com wrote: deleted My same source related the tale of a person in same bank who received an EBCDIC file, opened it in Windows and saved it back as ASCII. The file was

Re: spool to spool output transfer

2010-12-01 Thread Gilbert Cardenas
I had a similar requirement a few months back because for some reason, they have NJE locked up real tight around here. I created a rexx routine that basically ftps the spool file to the intended lpar by ip address. I initiate the process by performing an SE on the spool entry and then typing

Re: spool to spool output transfer

2010-12-01 Thread Jousma, David
Thanks Gilbert. I have to be able to do the action to all output in a certain output class via a interval driven process. I am still leaning toward the spool offload process. _ Dave Jousma Assistant Vice President, Mainframe

TS3500 and encryption

2010-12-01 Thread Michael Saraco
I have a TS3500 that is to be setup as in library-managed and not system- managed for encryption. In the process I came across this statement in the EKM manual for setting up the encryption. Configure 3592 E05, E06, or EU6 tape drives for Encryption. a. If 3592 E05, E06, or EU6 tape drives are

Re: spool to spool output transfer

2010-12-01 Thread McKown, John
I don't think this is what you will want, but I'll just throw it out there anyway. Have you considered running two JES2 systems on system #1? The second JES2 would be, say, JESA. You could then NJE from JES2 to JESA on system #1, then NJE from JESA on system #1 to the JES2 on system #2. I'm not

SMF data for DFSORT

2010-12-01 Thread Michael Hall
Is there additional information about CPU time for DFSORT in the SMF Type 16 record that is not in the Type 30 step record. In other words, are there any circumstances where CPU time data is written to the Type 16 records and not to the Type 30 records? Do you see step information for DFSORT CPU

Re: 64 bit mode disabled

2010-12-01 Thread Gerhard Adam
The same thing happened with 370 to XA, and probably with revolutions in previous versions (I wasn't there for them). Actually it wasn't the same, since the size of the registers/PSW didn't change during that entire period. Therefore, while their usage changed, there were no Issues related to

Re: Allocating SANDBOX Coupling Facility LPARs on across 2 CPCs

2010-12-01 Thread Arthur Gutowski
On Tue, 30 Nov 2010 00:51:17, Jaco Kruger jaco.kru...@riyadbank.com wrote: We are in the process of upgrading from a z900 to a Z9. Bothr CECs contain a Production CF LPAR, Production and Development LPAR. The second CEC also contains 2 Sandbox CF LPARs and 2 Sandbox LPARs. We want to move 1

Re: CA1, tape pooling, and SMS controlled Libraries

2010-12-01 Thread Darth Keller
Russell Mike - Our MDL configuration has 2 nodes, but in this case, 841C 8401 are both on the same node. The part I'm having a hard time understanding is that the MDL appears to mount the correct tape every time for the pool requested - as in the example I gave previously - if TMS001

Re: 64 bit mode disabled

2010-12-01 Thread john gilmore
To begin with a kudos, Ted MacNeil wrote: begin snippet Especially with the requirements for backwards compatability (sic) it will not spring forward as Athena from the forehead of Zeus. /end snippet and I want to acknowledge that he got this classical allusion right. His spelling of of the

Re: spool to spool output transfer

2010-12-01 Thread Jousma, David
Well, I thought about that, but I don't think that works either. JESA would have to know about both JES2's of the same name, and that still doesn't work(at least that is my understanding). Someone correct me if I am wrong.please. I think it would take JES2 - JESA - JESB - JES2

Re: 64 bit mode disabled

2010-12-01 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 1 Dec 2010 06:53:55 -0800, Gerhard Adam wrote: The same thing happened with 370 to XA, and probably with revolutions in previous versions (I wasn't there for them). Actually it wasn't the same, since the size of the registers/PSW didn't change during that entire period. Therefore, while

Re: SMF data for DFSORT

2010-12-01 Thread David Betten
DFSORT reports cpu time in field ICECPUT. This is basically the step TCB time accumulated between the sort start time and the sort end time. So that time is a subset of the TCB time reported in type 30 records. Also keep in mind that it also means if there are things like user written E15 and

Re: Could we define ARM Couple datasesr and OMVS Couple dataset?

2010-12-01 Thread Arthur Gutowski
On Tue, 30 Nov 2010 07:35:02 -0600, Staller, Allan allan.stal...@kbmg.com wrote: 2) an OMVS couple dataset would only be needed if there are multiple images sharing HFS/ZFS files, See the Setting up a SYSPLEX books (I believe this is a redbook) Depending on the size of the shop, there may be

Re: TS3500 and encryption

2010-12-01 Thread Lizette Koehler
I have a TS3500 that is to be setup as in library-managed and not system- managed for encryption. In the process I came across this statement in the EKM manual for setting up the encryption. Configure 3592 E05, E06, or EU6 tape drives for Encryption. a. If 3592 E05, E06, or EU6 tape

Re: 64 bit mode disabled

2010-12-01 Thread Edward Jaffe
On 11/30/2010 7:43 PM, Gerhard Adam wrote: How would you branch to code above the 2GB bar, since none is allowed there? You can use an ordinary branch instruction (e.g., BASSM 14,15) to branch to code above the bar. If you're running enabled, you won't execute for long... :-D The obvious

Re: Z10 BC SNA Console

2010-12-01 Thread August Carideo
a little of topic that's why we still keep our trusty local escon attached 3174's when all else fails can still access system saw our net guy turn green 4am one Sunday when nothing worked IP TN OSA good old dumb 3270 term allowed him to back out changes

Re: TS3500 and encryption

2010-12-01 Thread Michael Saraco
I would appreciate any notes. From: Lizette Koehler stars...@mindspring.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Date: 12/01/2010 09:37 AM Subject:Re: TS3500 and encryption Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu I have a TS3500 that is to be setup as in

Re: SMF data for DFSORT

2010-12-01 Thread Yifat Oren
Hi Michael, When DFSORT is invoked from another program (like DSNUTILB), SMF 30-4 (step) will contain the total CPU time for the entire step and SMF 16 (one or more) will contain CPU time accumulated while DFSORT was running. HTH, Yifat -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion

Re: Z10 BC SNA Console

2010-12-01 Thread Scott Rowe
ICC serves the same function. IMO, there is no need to keep an external console controller anymore. On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 10:48 AM, August Carideo august.cari...@avon.comwrote: a little of topic that's why we still keep our trusty local escon attached 3174's when all else fails can still

OT: In regard to password cracking Who is Abbie Sciuto was Re: A New Threat for password hacking

2010-12-01 Thread Clark Morris
On 30 Nov 2010 07:42:00 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Clark Morris Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 9:27 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: A New Threat for password

Re: 64 bit mode disabled

2010-12-01 Thread Tony Harminc
On 1 December 2010 10:46, Edward Jaffe edja...@phoenixsoftware.com wrote: You can use an ordinary branch instruction (e.g., BASSM 14,15) to branch to code above the bar. If you're running enabled, you won't execute for long... :-D Just how does it fail? Is the PSW instruction address

Re: EXTERNAL: OT: In regard to password cracking Who is Abbie Sciuto was Re: A New Threat for password hacking

2010-12-01 Thread Roach, Dennis (N-GHG)
Clark is obviously not an NCIS fan. Google Abby Sciuto (spelling corrected) Dennis Roach GHG Corporation Lockheed Martin Mission Services Facilities Design and Operations Contract Strategic Technical Engineering NASA/JSC Address: 2100 Space Park Drive LM-15-4BH Houston, Texas 77058

Re: OT: In regard to password cracking Who is Abbie Sciuto was Re: A New Threat for password hacking

2010-12-01 Thread August Carideo
Abigail Abby Sciuto is a fictional character from the NCIS television series by CBS Television, and is portrayed by Pauley Perrette. Clark Morris

Re: 64 bit mode disabled

2010-12-01 Thread Chris Craddock
On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Tony Harminc t...@harminc.net wrote: On 1 December 2010 10:46, Edward Jaffe edja...@phoenixsoftware.com wrote: You can use an ordinary branch instruction (e.g., BASSM 14,15) to branch to code above the bar. If you're running enabled, you won't execute for

Re: I would love to know what went wrong at NAB

2010-12-01 Thread Tony Harminc
On 30 November 2010 22:57, Mike Schwab mike.a.sch...@gmail.com wrote: Here is an idea to bounce around.  z/OS Unix System Services does a lot of work converting ASCII to EBCDIC and back. I'm puzzled by this. What is all this conversion work that takes to much time and effort? To the extent

Re: 64 bit mode disabled

2010-12-01 Thread Micheal Butz
The only thing I see 16 bytes in the PSA is PSAPCPSW Sent from my iPhone On Dec 1, 2010, at 11:25 AM, Tony Harminc t...@harminc.net wrote: On 1 December 2010 10:46, Edward Jaffe edja...@phoenixsoftware.com wrote: You can use an ordinary branch instruction (e.g., BASSM 14,15) to branch to

Re: 64 bit mode disabled

2010-12-01 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 1 Dec 2010 11:25:54 -0500, Tony Harminc wrote: It is, though, curious that there must be, as Paul Gilmartin points out, quite a bit of infrastructure already there in support of 64-bit addresses. The real PSW is at all times beyond the early stage of IPL a zArch one of 128 bits, and it

Re: I would love to know what went wrong at NAB

2010-12-01 Thread Chris Craddock
On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 2:11 AM, Ron Hawkins ron.hawkins1...@sbcglobal.netwrote: If I remember rightly it was a bug in IMS 2.2 or 2.3. If I remember correctly NAB (where I worked at the time) had found the bug in stress and regression testing (TPNS for those that remember it) and were waiting

Re: spool to spool output transfer

2010-12-01 Thread McKown, John
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Re: 64 bit mode disabled

2010-12-01 Thread Edward Jaffe
On 12/1/2010 8:32 AM, Chris Craddock wrote: PSW in a normal 8 byte PSW field when the instruction address is only 4 bytes. As you can probably imagine, there is literally no way to preserve compatibility with the near infinite number of programs that currently understand and inspect the task

Re: 64 bit mode disabled

2010-12-01 Thread Edward Jaffe
On 12/1/2010 8:41 AM, Micheal Butz wrote: The only thing I see 16 bytes in the PSA is PSAPCPSW When running in z/Architecture mode, *all* old/new PSWs in the PSA are 16 bytes long (see PoOp for details). Currently, the PSW save areas in z/OS task management control blocks are only eight

Re: In regard to password cracking Who is Abbie Sciuto was Re: A New Threat for password hacking

2010-12-01 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Clark Morris Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 10:22 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: OT: In regard to password cracking Who is Abbie Sciuto was Re: A New Threat for password

Re: 64 bit mode disabled

2010-12-01 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 1 Dec 2010 10:32:41 -0600, Chris Craddock wrote: there is a technique called PSW scrunching that allows saving an extended PSW in a normal 8 byte PSW field when the instruction address is only 4 bytes. That implies, doesn't it, that in addition to the top 32 bits of the instruction

Re: 64 bit mode disabled

2010-12-01 Thread Kirk Talman
I dare say code/storage I was trying to move above the line 1.5 decades ago in a prior life is still not there. Another example of the 80/20 90/10 rule. When 80-90% of a complex project are done, the enthusiasm and therefore funding for the last bit diminishes considerably. IBM Mainframe

Re: 64 bit mode disabled

2010-12-01 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 000301cb9101$2f0b5de0$8d2219...@net, on 11/30/2010 at 09:40 PM, michealbutz michealb...@optonline.net said: From what I understand running in 64 bit mode (SAM64) you have to run disabled does the SAM64 instruction do that What gave you that idea? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz,

Re: I would love to know what went wrong at NAB

2010-12-01 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In aanlkti=29p26ome3vbcev6ldfhu-jpwd09cv5sgxt...@mail.gmail.com, on 11/30/2010 at 09:57 PM, Mike Schwab mike.a.sch...@gmail.com said: Here is an idea to bounce around. z/OS Unix System Services does a lot of work converting ASCII to EBCDIC and back. z/Linux works all in ASCII. I doubt it.

Re: 64 bit mode disabled

2010-12-01 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 018b01cb9109$e3dc7440$ab955c...@net, on 11/30/2010 at 07:43 PM, Gerhard Adam gada...@charter.net said: How would you branch to code above the 2GB bar, since none is allowed there? B or BR. The obvious problem being how you would even get it loaded up there. MVC. If I recall, the

Re: 64 bit mode disabled

2010-12-01 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 3b16b7d1-bc6b-444e-b44f-427bfa164...@optonline.net, on 12/01/2010 at 07:03 AM, Micheal Butz michealb...@optonline.net said: So we are waiting for waitting for IBM To introduce a new control block the RBX. (rb extension for 64 bit gpr and new rbopsw). There should be a lot contracting jobs

Re: 64 bit mode disabled

2010-12-01 Thread Gerhard Adam
Nothing like that is required. My understanding is that when the PSW is stored it is compressed down to an ESA/390 PSW format (check bit 12) and expanded when it is reloaded. There is no point at which an 8-byte PSW is active in any sense. There are indeed many programs that inspect the 8-byte

Re: 64 bit mode disabled

2010-12-01 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 47e662a7-431a-4af9-b35e-0127def03...@optonline.net, on 12/01/2010 at 06:38 AM, Micheal Butz michealb...@optonline.net said: So 64 bit mode is like a Dataspace No, 64-bit mode means that addresses are 64 bits. That applies to references to address spaces just as much as it does to

Re: spool to spool output transfer

2010-12-01 Thread Dana Mitchell
would take JES2 - JESA - JESB - JES2 Interesting puzzle. Seems to me that still wouldn't work, since JESA would need to know about JES2 (left) because it's connected to it, and JES2 (right) in order to know it needs to route traffic destined for JES2 (right) via JESB. Dana

Re: TS3500 and encryption

2010-12-01 Thread Revard, Thomas (T)
Is this Windows or z/OS data that you are encrypting? We use library managed encryption for our Windows data and system managed encryption for our native and VTS data. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Michael Saraco Sent:

Re: 64 bit mode disabled

2010-12-01 Thread Edward Jaffe
On 12/1/2010 9:49 AM, Gerhard Adam wrote: Nothing like that is required. My understanding is that when the PSW is stored it is compressed down to an ESA/390 PSW format (check bit 12) and expanded when it is reloaded. There is no point at which an 8-byte PSW is active in any sense. Huh? We're

Re: Migration from EC 3 to EC 4.2

2010-12-01 Thread David Magee
We had no problems with performing this upgrade earlier this year. It seemed transparent to the COBOL development staff. Note: We were not using any of the XML features in Ver 3. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive

Re: best method to completely list all cataloged data sets

2010-12-01 Thread Schwarz, Barry A
An IDCAMS batch job (not TSO) with the command LISTCAT USERCATALOG will give you the name of all the catalogs connected to your master catalog. You can then issue multiple commands (also in batch) LISTCAT ALL CATALOG(dsn) to list all the datasets, aliases, etc that are in each.

Re: best method to completely list all cataloged data sets

2010-12-01 Thread Tom Marchant
On Wed, 1 Dec 2010 11:31:11 -0800, Schwarz, Barry A wrote: If you have catalogs not connected to the master catalog, you will have to find them some other way. I don't think you can list one until it is connected. Right. Because a catalog that is not connected is not cataloged. Of course,

Re: 64 bit mode disabled

2010-12-01 Thread Gerhard Adam
Huh? We're discussing how to get around that restriction. The point is that there is nothing to get around. Executable code isn't supported about 2GB for numerous reasons already mentioned. Therefore the middle 64-bits of the z/architecture PSW only contain zeros. Compressing the PSW doesn't

Re: 64 bit mode disabled

2010-12-01 Thread Edward Jaffe
On 12/1/2010 12:13 PM, Gerhard Adam wrote: Once again, there's nothing to get around, since it simply isn't allowed. Allow me to rephrase: I was discussing how IBM can address this restriction in a future z/OS release. Just repeating the existing restriction over and over adds nothing to

Re: 64 bit mode disabled

2010-12-01 Thread Tom Marchant
On Wed, 1 Dec 2010 12:13:46 -0800, Gerhard Adam wrote: Huh? We're discussing how to get around that restriction. The point is that there is nothing to get around. Executable code isn't supported about 2GB for numerous reasons already mentioned. Therefore the middle 64-bits of the

Re: 64 bit mode disabled

2010-12-01 Thread Jim Mulder
IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu wrote on 12/01/2010 11:25:54 AM: You can use an ordinary branch instruction (e.g., BASSM 14,15) to branch to code above the bar. If you're running enabled, you won't execute for long... :-D Just how does it fail? Is the PSW instruction

Dataspaces or 64 bit storage

2010-12-01 Thread Micheal Butz
Hi Now that I realize that only current use for above the bar addressing is storage at this time at least which is older dataspace or 64 bit addressabilty Sent from my iPhone -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive

Re: Dataspaces or 64 bit storage

2010-12-01 Thread Scott Rowe
Micheal, I'm rather curious, I've been wondering what company you are developing this software for? Scott On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Micheal Butz michealb...@optonline.netwrote: Hi Now that I realize that only current use for above the bar addressing is storage at this time at least

Re: best method to completely list all cataloged data sets

2010-12-01 Thread Mark Zelden
On Wed, 1 Dec 2010 03:33:24 -0600, Elardus Engelbrecht elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za wrote: Dr. Stephen Fedtke wrote: what is the best method to achieve a complete list of all currently cataloged data sets? really all. actually, like using ** in the 3.4 data set criterion. Use Catalog Search

Re: Dataspaces or 64 bit storage

2010-12-01 Thread Micheal Butz
Who says I'm developing anything Dataspaces are more painfully and probably slower then regular storage dataspaces were probably meant to Releive storage constriant Sent from my iPhone On Dec 1, 2010, at 4:24 PM, Scott Rowe scott.r...@joann.com wrote: Micheal, I'm rather curious, I've

Re: Dataspaces or 64 bit storage

2010-12-01 Thread Binyamin Dissen
On Wed, 1 Dec 2010 16:08:19 -0500 Micheal Butz michealb...@optonline.net wrote: :Now that I realize that only current use for above the bar addressing :is storage at this time at least which is older dataspace or 64 bit :addressabilty Dataspaces (which are limited to 2G) were first. Just

Re: Dataspaces or 64 bit storage

2010-12-01 Thread Binyamin Dissen
On Wed, 1 Dec 2010 16:37:03 -0500 Micheal Butz michealb...@optonline.net wrote: :Who says I'm developing anything :Dataspaces are more painfully and probably slower then regular storage Is AR mode slower than primary mode? :dataspaces were probably meant to :Releive storage constriant

Re: Dataspaces or 64 bit storage

2010-12-01 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
michealb...@optonline.net (Micheal Butz) writes: Who says I'm developing anything Dataspaces are more painfully and probably slower then regular storage dataspaces were probably meant to Releive storage constriant multiple address spaces started in 811 (for nov78 date on the documents)

Re: 64 bit mode disabled

2010-12-01 Thread Jim Mulder
there is a technique called PSW scrunching that allows saving an extended PSW in a normal 8 byte PSW field when the instruction address is only 4 bytes. That implies, doesn't it, that in addition to the top 32 bits of the instruction address, 32 other bits in the 128-bit PSW are irrelevant

Re: Dataspaces or 64 bit storage

2010-12-01 Thread Jim Mulder
:Dataspaces are more painfully and probably slower then regular storage Is AR mode slower than primary mode? An AR mode storage reference is slower only when the ALET is not 0 (promary) or 1 (secondary), and there is no match in the ALB. The is analogous to DAT-on being slower than

Re: 64 bit mode disabled

2010-12-01 Thread Gerhard Adam
Perhaps you believe that IBM will *never* support code above the line. I don't happen to think that they are that short-sighted. We have already seen that thee loader can load data-only CSECTs above the bar. I suspect that there is more to come. Depends on what you mean by support code.

Re: 64 bit mode disabled

2010-12-01 Thread Bill Fairchild
There are also many control blocks used in Contents Supervision that must be changed. Then all the programs that inspect, manipulate, or format-dump those control blocks must also be changed. Bill Fairchild Rocket Software From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On

Re: spool to spool output transfer

2010-12-01 Thread Robert A. Rosenberg
At 11:59 -0600 on 12/01/2010, Dana Mitchell wrote about Re: spool to spool output transfer: would take JES2 - JESA - JESB - JES2 Interesting puzzle. Seems to me that still wouldn't work, since JESA would  need to know about JES2 (left) because it's connected to it, and JES2 (right)

Re: OT: In regard to password cracking Who is Abbie Sciuto was Re: A New Threat for password hacking

2010-12-01 Thread Robert A. Rosenberg
At 11:32 -0500 on 12/01/2010, August Carideo wrote about Re: OT: In regard to password cracking Who is Abbie Sciuto : Of course, it could be cracked by somebody like Abbie Sciuto (and maybe the NSA or FBI) in just a few minutes grin. Tim McGee also could do it. He is the major hacker on the

Re: Dataspaces or 64 bit storage

2010-12-01 Thread Bill Fairchild
You have posted some novel and very confused ideas about the use of virtual storage. First you thought that SAM64 forced interrupt disablement. Now you have realized that dataspace storage is above the bar. This is also incorrect. Virtual addresses in data spaces run from address 0 to

Re: OT: In regard to password cracking Who is Abbie Sciuto was Re: A New Threat for password hacking

2010-12-01 Thread Don Leahy
So could Chloe O'Brien. On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 17:37, Robert A. Rosenberg hal9...@panix.com wrote: At 11:32 -0500 on 12/01/2010, August Carideo wrote about Re: OT: In regard to password cracking Who is Abbie Sciuto : Of course, it could be cracked by somebody like Abbie Sciuto (and maybe

Re: best method to completely list all cataloged data sets

2010-12-01 Thread Don Imbriale
I've used * and ** in 3.4 for the dsname level. From User's Guide II: 1. If you enter a high-level qualifier of ’*’ or ’**’, ISPF displays a pop-up window to warn you that the search will be for all catalogs on the system and will take time. If there are many catalogs, this search could take a

Re: best method to completely list all cataloged data sets

2010-12-01 Thread Schwarz, Barry A
Only in conjunction with another DSN qualifier that is not just a ** or *. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Don Imbriale Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 3:42 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: best method to

Re: best method to completely list all cataloged data sets

2010-12-01 Thread Mark Zelden
Hmmm, what level are you running. Unless this changed in z/OS 1.12 (and I don't think it did), it isn't allowed.I get a pop up warning message: In order to list catalog entries, you must specify at least one partial qualifier. Any Dsname Level that contains only asterisks is

Re: best method to completely list all cataloged data sets

2010-12-01 Thread Don Imbriale
The quote from the manual came from 1.11. It may be as Barry has stated that at least one qualifier must be specified that is not just * or **. - Don Imbriale On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 7:26 PM, Mark Zelden mzel...@flash.net wrote: Hmmm, what level are you running. Unless this changed in z/OS

Re: Field that contains timestamp of when current jobstep started?

2010-12-01 Thread Rick Fochtman
Binyamin Dissen wrote: IIRC there is a field which has the timestamp of when the current step started, but I cannot seem to find it. -- Binyamin Dissen bdis...@dissensoftware.com http://www.dissensoftware.com Director, Dissen Software, Bar Grill - Israel Should you use the mailblocks

Re: Field that contains timestamp of when current jobstep started?

2010-12-01 Thread Chris Craddock
IIRC there is a field which has the timestamp of when the current step started, but I cannot seem to find it. ASCBINTS -- This email might be from the artist formerly known as CC (or not) You be the judge. -- For IBM-MAIN

Re: Field that contains timestamp of when current jobstep started?

2010-12-01 Thread Anthony Thompson
ASCBINTS would be job start time, not current step. Field TCBTCT points to the 'SMF Time Control Table'. Perhaps TCTAST or use the pointer to step total SMF record (TCTT30S) and look at SMF30SIT. Cheers, Ant. Northern Territory Government of Australia -Original Message- From: IBM

Re: best method to completely list all cataloged data sets

2010-12-01 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Mark Zelden wrote: 3.4 doesn't allow * or **. Try out *% (Asterisk followed by percentage sign without any spaces) Warning: Your session will take a long time to process all those entries. (dead entries, live entries, duplicate entries, and catalogs connected too.) The CSI is a good option,