Re: I would love to know what went wrong at NAB

2010-12-01 Thread Ron Hawkins
Chris, If I remember rightly it was a bug in IMS 2.2 or 2.3. If I remember correctly NAB (where I worked at the time) had found the bug in stress and regression testing (TPNS for those that remember it) and were waiting for the fix that hit Westpac. Funny how times have changed. Ron

Re: I would love to know what went wrong at NAB

2010-12-01 Thread Ron Hawkins
Wayne, Hmm I seem to remember a past-tapes-processed file that prevented CEMTEX and other exchange files, value and non-value being processed twice in the File Exchange part of NAB's batch. The tape was just a holdover from an old naming convention, but it used to prevent files from being

Re: I would love to know what went wrong at NAB

2010-12-01 Thread Stephen Mednick
: Wednesday, 1 December 2010 7:12 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: I would love to know what went wrong at NAB Chris, If I remember rightly it was a bug in IMS 2.2 or 2.3. If I remember correctly NAB (where I worked at the time) had found the bug in stress and regression testing (TPNS

Re: I would love to know what went wrong at NAB

2010-12-01 Thread Ron Hawkins
love to know what went wrong at NAB Chris, If I remember rightly it was a bug in IMS 2.2 or 2.3. If I remember correctly NAB (where I worked at the time) had found the bug in stress and regression testing (TPNS for those that remember it) and were waiting for the fix that hit Westpac

Re: I would love to know what went wrong at NAB

2010-12-01 Thread Steve Comstock
On 11/30/2010 10:34 PM, Jim Phoenix wrote: Mike Schwab wrote: On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 7:01 PM, Wayne Bickerdike wayn...@gmail.com wrote: deleted My same source related the tale of a person in same bank who received an EBCDIC file, opened it in Windows and saved it back as ASCII. The file was

Re: I would love to know what went wrong at NAB

2010-12-01 Thread Tony Harminc
On 30 November 2010 22:57, Mike Schwab mike.a.sch...@gmail.com wrote: Here is an idea to bounce around.  z/OS Unix System Services does a lot of work converting ASCII to EBCDIC and back. I'm puzzled by this. What is all this conversion work that takes to much time and effort? To the extent

Re: I would love to know what went wrong at NAB

2010-12-01 Thread Chris Craddock
On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 2:11 AM, Ron Hawkins ron.hawkins1...@sbcglobal.netwrote: If I remember rightly it was a bug in IMS 2.2 or 2.3. If I remember correctly NAB (where I worked at the time) had found the bug in stress and regression testing (TPNS for those that remember it) and were waiting

Re: I would love to know what went wrong at NAB

2010-12-01 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In aanlkti=29p26ome3vbcev6ldfhu-jpwd09cv5sgxt...@mail.gmail.com, on 11/30/2010 at 09:57 PM, Mike Schwab mike.a.sch...@gmail.com said: Here is an idea to bounce around. z/OS Unix System Services does a lot of work converting ASCII to EBCDIC and back. z/Linux works all in ASCII. I doubt it.

Re: I would love to know what went wrong at NAB

2010-11-30 Thread Andrew Rowley
On 30/11/2010 6:12 PM, Mike Schwab wrote: That was not payroll. That was a bank. They screwed up all transactions for a week after a conversion and fallback. I would be really curious as to how the database was functioning without crashing while processing all those bad transactions. Almost

Re: I would love to know what went wrong at NAB

2010-11-30 Thread Steve Comstock
On 11/30/2010 12:52 AM, Stephen Mednick wrote: One wonders if a detailed explanation of what transpired will be forthcoming as was the case back in July when the DBS Bank in Singapore had a major outage. http://www.dbs.com/newsroom/2010/press100804.aspx Stephen Mednick Computer Supervisory

Re: I would love to know what went wrong at NAB

2010-11-30 Thread Kelman, Tom
: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Stephen Mednick Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 1:52 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: I would love to know what went wrong at NAB One wonders if a detailed explanation of what transpired will be forthcoming

Re: I would love to know what went wrong at NAB

2010-11-30 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In listserv%201011300054096099.0...@bama.ua.edu, on 11/30/2010 at 12:54 AM, Sheldon Davis sda...@isracard.co.il said: I would love to know how a corrupt system file in a parrallel sysplex can affect a payroll system Why? That's not what the article claims. a corrupted file on an IBM

Re: I would love to know what went wrong at NAB

2010-11-30 Thread Ted MacNEIL
I'd bet that the upgrade was to the application system, not the mainframe, and something was wrong in a new application program that corrupted the file. I wouldn't take the opposite of that bet! I'm wondering why it took 5 days to recover. Since, upon reading the article, I see that INFOSYS

Re: I would love to know what went wrong at NAB

2010-11-30 Thread Shane
As if. Can't you just imagine a major Aussie Bank doing that. You were at Bank of NSW when they had the IMS fiasco Steve - how much info on that got out ? (via Bank press releases I mean :-) Shane ... On Tue, 30 Nov 2010 18:52:08 +1100 Stephen Mednick wrote: One wonders if a detailed

Re: I would love to know what went wrong at NAB

2010-11-30 Thread Wayne Bickerdike
Some information from a close source... It was a plain old S0C7 during their batch process. All Aussie banks use Cemtex ABA format which has been around for years as a transfer format between organisations. You would think that there is a validate step before running the transactions against

Re: I would love to know what went wrong at NAB

2010-11-30 Thread Sam Siegel
On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 5:01 PM, Wayne Bickerdike wayn...@gmail.com wrote: Some information from a close source... It was a plain old S0C7 during their batch process. All Aussie banks use Cemtex ABA format which has been around for years as a transfer format between organisations. You would

Re: I would love to know what went wrong at NAB

2010-11-30 Thread Mike Schwab
On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 7:01 PM, Wayne Bickerdike wayn...@gmail.com wrote: deleted My same source related the tale of a person in same bank who received an EBCDIC file, opened it in Windows and saved it back as ASCII. The file was duly transferred for processing on the mainframe. Most of the

Re: I would love to know what went wrong at NAB

2010-11-30 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Shane As if. Can't you just imagine a major Aussie Bank doing that. You were at Bank of NSW when they had the IMS fiasco Steve - how much info on that got out ? (via Bank press releases I mean :-) Yeh It's

Re: I would love to know what went wrong at NAB

2010-11-30 Thread Chris Craddock
On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 10:39 PM, Chase, John jch...@ussco.com wrote: -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Shane As if. Can't you just imagine a major Aussie Bank doing that. You were at Bank of NSW when they had the IMS fiasco Steve - how much

Re: I would love to know what went wrong at NAB

2010-11-30 Thread Jim Phoenix
Mike Schwab wrote: On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 7:01 PM, Wayne Bickerdike wayn...@gmail.com wrote: deleted My same source related the tale of a person in same bank who received an EBCDIC file, opened it in Windows and saved it back as ASCII. The file was duly transferred for processing on the

Re: I would love to know what went wrong at NAB

2010-11-30 Thread Bruce Hewson
A comment here:- http://www.theaustralian.com.au/australian-it/human-error-triggered-nab- software-corruption/story-e6frgakx-1225962953523 The file was actually software code containing instructions on how systems should operate in the batch processing cycle. would lead me to think someone

Re: I would love to know what went wrong at NAB

2010-11-29 Thread Mike Schwab
On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 12:54 AM, Sheldon Davis sda...@isracard.co.il wrote: I would love to know how a corrupt system file in a parrallel sysplex can affect a payroll system http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2010/11/29/nab_mainframe_cockup/ That was not payroll. That was a bank. They

Re: I would love to know what went wrong at NAB

2010-11-29 Thread Stephen Mednick
One wonders if a detailed explanation of what transpired will be forthcoming as was the case back in July when the DBS Bank in Singapore had a major outage. http://www.dbs.com/newsroom/2010/press100804.aspx Stephen Mednick Computer Supervisory Services Sydney, Australia -Original