Re: ABO Automatic Binary Optimizer

2016-10-18 Thread Timothy Sipples
David Crayford wrote: >Good point well made. Thanks, David. For the record, Amazon.com (the commerce site and associated commerce services) reportedly consists of a *mix* of programming languages: Java, C, C++, Perl, Ruby (on Rails), and Javascript. All of these programming languages are

Re: Does >4K PGFIX make sure the frames are contiguous? (was: diagnose 8 / interesting dilemma)

2016-10-18 Thread Binyamin Dissen
Data chaining was the original solution to this problem. On Wed, 19 Oct 2016 00:27:56 +0200 Peter Hunkeler wrote: :> :>Below discussion triggered a question I could not answer by RTFM. I had never thought about this before in this detail, but now that I do, I wonder if the

Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages.

2016-10-18 Thread Itschak Mugzach
Are all allocations are SMS managed? May be SMS is not involved in some of the allocations, or the dataset was not allocated as new in some cases. ITschak ITschak Mugzach Z/OS, ISV Products and Application Security & Risk Assessments Professional On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 1:39 PM, Vernooij, Kees

Re: Shopz issues?

2016-10-18 Thread Richards, Robert B.
No, I do not see that message. All I see prior to the CCC is: virtual user S111 logged in from /205.131.188.10:51349 The port number is the only thing that has changed between attempts by me with a new submit. Bob -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages.

2016-10-18 Thread Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM
No, everything is equal in all jobs (from what I could check), except the appearance of the message. Kees. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Itschak Mugzach Sent: 18 October, 2016 13:31 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU

Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages.

2016-10-18 Thread Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM
Hello, Control-M uses message IGD101I for dataset triggering: when a data set has been created, as indicated by IGD101I, a job must be triggered. We see every now and then that the triggering is not working, because IGD101I is not produced, although the dataset has been created. We don't have

Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages.

2016-10-18 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM wrote: >Everything is equal, no errors, only IGD101I is sometimes missing and we have >no idea why. Ok, where is that message displayed? Joblog or Syslog or where? What is the Route and Descriptor code where you expect the message to be shown? Perhaps you should

Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages.

2016-10-18 Thread Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM
Everything is equal, no errors, only IGD101I is sometimes missing and we have no idea why. Kees. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Elardus Engelbrecht Sent: 18 October, 2016 11:45 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject:

Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages.

2016-10-18 Thread Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM
There is something special with IGD101I, it only appears in the job's allocation message file. Not in SYSLOG and it is not trappable by SLIP or MPF. What is the special route through the system of this type of messages? Kees. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages.

2016-10-18 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM wrote: >I would circumvent the problems (if I can get BMC to redesign their way of >working), but still the question remains, why the message sometimes disappear. Question - how are they allocated? Via JCL DD statements or via dynalloc? Is SMS *always* used in

Re: Shopz issues?

2016-10-18 Thread Richards, Robert B.
Kurt, We had been running with RFC4217 up to now and it was working. Regardless, per your recommendation (and the manual), I changed it to CCCNONOTIFY. Voila! All is well with the RFN world once again, I owe Kurt another virtual drink of his choice. Thanks again, Kurt! And thanks to the

Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages.

2016-10-18 Thread Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM
We verified that the problem exists for at least a couple of months. Kees. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Elardus Engelbrecht Sent: 18 October, 2016 15:32 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Randomly

Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages.

2016-10-18 Thread Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM
It is 1 job with the same JCL each time that sometimes loses IGD101I. Kees. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Lucas Rosalen Sent: 18 October, 2016 15:43 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Randomly disappearing

Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages.

2016-10-18 Thread Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM
Yes, the jobstep does the same task each time. Besides, if the dataset already existed, the step would fail. Kees. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Itschak Mugzach Sent: 18 October, 2016 14:30 To:

Re: Shopz issues?

2016-10-18 Thread Richards, Robert B.
Let me ask my question differently: Is anyone *successfully* processing RECEIVEFROMNETWORK orders since Sunday's Shopz outage? My firewall guy says that the FTP request was allowed to go out just fine. Bob -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

Re: Shopz issues?

2016-10-18 Thread Kurt Quackenbush
On 10/17/2016 9:16 AM, Richards, Robert B. wrote: Is anyone else having issues doing a RFN from IBM's ShopzSeries? I get logged in and see the commands CCC followed by BINARY and then nothing. Eventually it retries all 10 times and then fails. Someone else reported similar behavior last week,

Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages.

2016-10-18 Thread Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM
Via a DMS COPY step. Always. Can't find any suppression, nor do I specify route of desc codes for IBM's IGD messages. They are among the messages that (seem to) never appear in SYSLOG/OPERLOG, only in the job's Allocation messages file. IGD101I is not trappable via SLIP or MPFLST. They seem to

Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages.

2016-10-18 Thread Greg Shirey
Kees, How are you verifying the data set was created? Regards, Greg Shirey Ben E. Keith Company -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 6:40 AM To:

Re: Shopz issues?

2016-10-18 Thread Jousma, David
Yes. I ran one Monday morning. I just now ran another, successfully. _ Dave Jousma Manager Mainframe Engineering, Assistant Vice President david.jou...@53.com 1830 East Paris, Grand Rapids, MI  49546 MD RSCB2H p 616.653.8429 f

Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages.

2016-10-18 Thread Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM
Yifat, There is no difference between jobs with and without IGD101I. BMC is just victim of the not-appearing message. Kees. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Oren, Yifat Sent: 18 October, 2016 15:11 To:

Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages.

2016-10-18 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM wrote: >Via a DMS COPY step. Always. Can't find any suppression, nor do I specify >route of desc codes for IBM's IGD messages. >They are among the messages that (seem to) never appear in SYSLOG/OPERLOG, >only in the job's Allocation messages file. IGD101I is not

Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages.

2016-10-18 Thread Lucas Rosalen
Hello Kees, You might had already looked at that, but if both jobs don't have MSGLEVEL coded in the jobcards, they might rely on each job class' MSGLEVEL, which might differ from each other. Sorry, to much stuff going on today to properly test this...

Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages.

2016-10-18 Thread Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM
From the output of the DMS step, that did a copy from one dataset to another, from the corresponding SMF records and because manually triggering the job to process the datasets caused it to do its work. Kees. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

Re: Shopz issues?

2016-10-18 Thread Blake, Daniel J [CTR]
My weekly job ran successfully at 0600 today. ;-D an -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Richards, Robert B. Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 8:55 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Shopz issues? Let me ask my

Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages.

2016-10-18 Thread Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM
I would circumvent the problems (if I can get BMC to redesign their way of working), but still the question remains, why the message sometimes disappear. Kees. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Tom Conley Sent: 18

Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages.

2016-10-18 Thread Lizette Koehler
One I see BMC has asked for doc. I would definitely do that. Two, I concur with Tom Conley, Most scheduling software will provide an SMF Exit in order to see when datasets are created/updated. I would follow up with BMC and see what they say. If they are dependent on IGD101I then you need to

Re: ABO Automatic Binary Optimizer

2016-10-18 Thread David Crayford
On 18/10/2016 12:55 PM, Timothy Sipples wrote: Bill Woodger wrote: For me, changing any compile option at the moment of going to Production invalidates all the testing up to that point. Then along comes Java :-) Good point well made. I strongly disagree with the word "all." I don't

Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages.

2016-10-18 Thread Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM
Lizette, One: Getting BMC to redesign Control-M is heavy and long lasting and not necessary if IGD101I is reliably produced. Two: IGD101I seems to be among those messages that are only/directly sent to the job's allocation message file and never make it to the Syslog/Operlog and are never seen

Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages.

2016-10-18 Thread Itschak Mugzach
kees, are you sure that the expected dataset that shoud be reported by IGD101I is allocated new? ITschak Mugzach Z/OS, ISV Products and Application Security & Risk Assessments Professional On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 2:39 PM, Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM < kees.verno...@klm.com> wrote: > No,

Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages.

2016-10-18 Thread Tom Conley
On 10/18/2016 5:04 AM, Vernooij, Kees - KLM , ITOPT1 wrote: Hello, Control-M uses message IGD101I for dataset triggering: when a data set has been created, as indicated by IGD101I, a job must be triggered. We see every now and then that the triggering is not working, because IGD101I is not

Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages.

2016-10-18 Thread Oren, Yifat
Hi Kees, Are there any allocation messages issued? The MSGLEVEL parameter controls whether allocation messages are issued to the JESYSMSG sysout. Make sure it is (1,1) in all executions. Otherwise, please open a ticket with BMC and attach the sysout of 2 different job runs (one with the

Re: ABO Automatic Binary Optimizer

2016-10-18 Thread Bill Woodger
We continue to add things to the bubbling pot that is a discussion started through the misunderstanding of some IBM sales staff. Tom Ross ventured close, dipped a spoon in the pot, and confirmed that there is no "source conversion" process for migration to V5/V6. Mmmm... he's either writing

Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages.

2016-10-18 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM wrote: >Control-M uses message IGD101I for dataset triggering: when a data set has >been created, as indicated by IGD101I, a job must be triggered. Isn't that Control-O which scans the SYSLOG? Or am I missing something in your setup? >We see every now and then

Re: ABO Automatic Binary Optimizer

2016-10-18 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
sipp...@sg.ibm.com (Timothy Sipples) writes: > I strongly disagree with the word "all." I don't think that word in this > sentence is grounded in a reasonable, rational, informed assessment of > comparative risks and testing costs. re: http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2016f.html#91 ABO Automatic

Re: ABO Automatic Binary Optimizer

2016-10-18 Thread Jesse 1 Robinson
"Happy families are all alike; every unhappy family is unhappy in its own way." While Wikipedia calls it the Anna Karenina Principle, it's not quite enough to substantiate the Russian claim that Tolstoy invented great literature. It's still a vital lesson. I would venture that there so many

Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages.

2016-10-18 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM wrote: >Two: IGD101I seems to be among those messages that are only/directly sent to >the job's allocation message file and never make it to the Syslog/Operlog and >are never seen by SLIP, MPFLST and other automation tools that scan the >subsystem interface for

Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages.

2016-10-18 Thread Greg Shirey
I would suggest asking CA about the DMS step not generating the IGD101I message. (DMS has a "hook" in SMS, doesn't it?) Regards, Greg Shirey Ben E. Keith Company -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Lizette Koehler

Re: diagnose 8 / interesting dilemma

2016-10-18 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 17 Oct 2016 10:08:50 -0700, Ed Jaffe wrote: >> >> Hmmm... What happens if AMODE 31 code issues LRA and the real address >> is above the bar? Program check? Or does LRA simply (always?) load a >> 64-bit register? Is there an LRAG instruction? > >Why not take at least a cursory glance at

Re: diagnose 8 / interesting dilemma

2016-10-18 Thread Tony Harminc
On 18 October 2016 at 13:15, Paul Gilmartin <000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > I find: > z/OS 2.2.0 > z/OS MVS > z/OS MVS Programming: Assembler Services Guide > Understanding 31-bit addressing > Understanding the use of central storage > Central

Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages.

2016-10-18 Thread Longabaugh, Robert E
When CA Disk moves SMS data sets, it renames the original to a temporary name and creates the new one with the existing name. If the new data set is correctly created, cataloged, written, and closed, then CA Disk deletes the original (now renamed) data set. If the move operation fails the

IBM and z/OS OpenSSH

2016-10-18 Thread Jack J. Woehr
If this question is inappropriate, please excuse me, but I would like to know who can give me an answer. I've been involved with IBM big iron for 22 years. I've been involved with OpenBSD/OpenSSH for about 18 years. OpenSSH is used mission-critically on z/OS. OpenSSH comes from the OpenBSD

HMC CPC Image

2016-10-18 Thread Steely.Mark
I have created a new CPC image. When I click on the icon and then double click on Customize/Delete Activation Profiles only the DEFAULTLOAD Profile is displayed. How do I create an Image profile for this LPAR. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks

Re: HMC CPC Image

2016-10-18 Thread Feller, Paul
If your new CPC (CEC) is a replacement of a current CPC you could have IBM copy the LPAR profiles over for you. If this is a new CPC (not replacing anything) I would first load the IOCDS you plan on using. If I remember correctly a default lpar profile will get built. You can then

Re: Looking for New Function APARs across the entire z/OS platform?

2016-10-18 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 10/18/2016 2:10 PM, Bill Woodger wrote: What is SPE? I'm sorry if I appear naive on that, but search-engineing comes up with "IBM Standards Processing Engine" which probably isn't what your SPE means. SPE = Small Programming Enhancement. In the old days SPEs were considered evil because

Re: HMC CPC Image

2016-10-18 Thread Steely.Mark
I did load the IOCDS and that’s what I got was a default profile. I need to build an image profile for that LPAR. Thanks -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Feller, Paul Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 4:18 PM To:

Re: HMC CPC Image

2016-10-18 Thread Matthew Stitt
Just start customizing the default profile(s) shown. Change everything you can, including the name of the profile. The default profile you are editing will not change, and a new profile with the new name will be created. Matthew

Looking for New Function APARs across the entire z/OS platform?

2016-10-18 Thread Marna WALLE
Hello IBM-MAINers, With IBM using continuous delivery across the entire z/OS platform and in many cases introducing new functions within the service stream, there are now two ways to quickly learn about those APARs (aka SPEs): 1) Subscribe to receive notification of those APARs right after the

Re: ABO Automatic Binary Optimizer

2016-10-18 Thread Bill Woodger
Yes, let's add Literature into the pot as well... The thing is, once a COBOL program is compiled, it is no longer a COBOL program. It is no longer at the whim of a misplaced full-stop (period), oblivious to whether a SECTION has been coded or a THRU has been used, the GO TO superficially

Re: Looking for New Function APARs across the entire z/OS platform?

2016-10-18 Thread Bill Woodger
That sounds good, but "continuous delivery", beyond fashion-speak, means specifically what? DFSORT used to provide new functionality through PTFs. Does it mean that, and at a faster pace and in smaller units, or something, specifically, different? And whatever it is, is it across all products

Re: HMCS consoles

2016-10-18 Thread Barbara Nitz
>The real question is whether dynamic _deletion_ and subsequent >_replacement_ of a wrongly-defined IPL-time HMCS specification will >work. On the surface it seems like it ought to work, but I think there's >a reasonable chance it won't... Well, it does. :-) The only surprise was that I had to

Re: Looking for New Function APARs across the entire z/OS platform?

2016-10-18 Thread Bill Woodger
Thanks Ed, that helps. So a typical "old style" PTF for DFSORT, which added several new functions to the product would have been an SPE, either by name or by fact. And, even with the OS on a two-year release cycle, new functions (for anything) can be provided (delivered) at any point

Re: HMC CPC Image

2016-10-18 Thread Steely.Mark
When I did that it created another load profile - I need an image profile. Thanks -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Matthew Stitt Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 4:35 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: HMC

Re: Shopz issues?

2016-10-18 Thread Kurt Quackenbush
We had been running with RFC4217 up to now and it was working. Regardless, per your recommendation (and the manual), I changed it to CCCNONOTIFY. Voila! All is well with the RFN world once again, I owe Kurt another virtual drink of his choice. Glad its working for you now. I should have

Re: HMC CPC Image

2016-10-18 Thread Jesse 1 Robinson
You should have an Image profile called DEFAULT. Click on that one to Customize. Give it the exact name of your LPAR. Set CPU, storage, and other values that you want. When you Save it, you will have created an Image profile for that LPAR. Repeat the process for as many LPARs as you want to

Re: Does >4K PGFIX make sure the frames are contiguous? (was: diagnose 8 / interesting dilemma)

2016-10-18 Thread Tony Harminc
On 18 October 2016 at 18:27, Peter Hunkeler wrote: > Below discussion triggered a question I could not answer by RTFM. I had never > thought about this before in this detail, > but now that I do, I wonder if the following is correct. > > Program allocates >4k of virtual storage. The

Re: Looking for New Function APARs across the entire z/OS platform?

2016-10-18 Thread Jesse 1 Robinson
You generally have the option to delay installing an SPE for some time if you don't want the new function. As Ed said, because an SPE is actually 'big', there's more chance for PEs to crop up than for individual narrower-scope PTFs. But eventually you pretty much have to install an SPE because

Does >4K PGFIX make sure the frames are contiguous? (was: diagnose 8 / interesting dilemma)

2016-10-18 Thread Peter Hunkeler
Below discussion triggered a question I could not answer by RTFM. I had never thought about this before in this detail, but now that I do, I wonder if the following is correct. Program allocates >4k of virtual storage. The real frames backing it may or may not be contiguous. The program wants

Re: Does >4K PGFIX make sure the frames are contiguous? (was: diagnose 8 / interesting dilemma)

2016-10-18 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 18 Oct 2016 19:34:10 -0400, Tony Harminc wrote: > >If you want to do I/O to your real storage, that is what IDAWs are >for. Perhaps there are undocumented (or at least not publicly >documented) IBM facilities -- I'm guessing things like crypto, >compression, newer non traditional I/O --

Re: Looking for New Function APARs across the entire z/OS platform?

2016-10-18 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 18 Oct 2016 14:18:57 -0700, Ed Jaffe wrote: > >SPE = Small Programming Enhancement. > >In the old days SPEs were considered evil because "small" really means >"large" (when compared with a typical PTF). Therefore, the chances of >the SYSMOD going PE were orders of magnitude greater than a