Re: 'Inexperienced' RBS tech operative's blunder led to banking meltdown

2012-06-28 Thread David Crayford
On 27/06/2012 11:23 PM, McKown, John wrote: I somewhat agree (as difficult as that is for me). In today's world, it is expected that a worker will just walk in off the street and have the intuitive knowledge of how to use computers. As much as I dislike it personally, z/OS really needs the new

Re: How call from C++ thru function pointer to assembler?

2012-07-16 Thread David Crayford
I suggest investigating the CALLBACKANY compiler option. On 17/07/2012, at 8:13 AM, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org wrote: Does anyone know the answer to this? I have an assembler function whose address I know at run-time in C++. I define and store it like this void __cdecl

Re: How call from C++ thru function pointer to assembler?

2012-07-16 Thread David Crayford
[mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of David Crayford Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 5:19 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: How call from C++ thru function pointer to assembler? I suggest investigating the CALLBACKANY compiler option. On 17/07/2012, at 8:13 AM, Charles Mills charl

Re: useful? XML encoded SMF.

2012-07-24 Thread David Crayford
Don't hipster programmers prefer JSON these days? XML too verbose. On 24/07/2012, at 11:30 PM, McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com wrote: OK, remember that I'm a bit of a UNIX bigot for some things. But I was wondering if anybody else thinks it would be helpful to have a program

Re: Authorized Rexx Assembler Function

2012-07-30 Thread David Crayford
On 31/07/2012 12:09 PM, Steve Comstock wrote: On 7/24/2012 9:16 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Tue, 24 Jul 2012 10:05:00 +0300, Binyamin Dissen wrote: :Why have such a special list rather than merely verifying that the program :resides in an APF authorized library and was linked with AC=1?

Re: Why ain't there no XILL?

2012-08-02 Thread David Crayford
On 2/08/2012 8:07 PM, John Gilmore wrote: Any standard logic text establishes that o AND, inclusive OR, and NOT are together universal, o NOR alone is universal, and o NAND alone is universal. Thus, in an obvious notation, XOR(a,b) =df (a | b) (¬(a b)) What is all the pother about?

Re: Why ain't there no XILL?

2012-08-02 Thread David Crayford
On 2/08/2012 9:46 PM, Wayne Driscoll wrote: I would assume the pother is because OIL and NIL are macros that provide or and and processing with serialization. Your notation fails to provide serialization. It should be relatively easy to create an XIL macro based on OIL or NIL however. Please

Re: GOFF

2012-08-21 Thread David Crayford
On 22/08/2012 1:48 PM, ibmmain wrote:VERYONE has a story about a PDSE that failed on them in 1995. 1995? As recent as 2009 in our case, IIRC. Thankfully not load module libraries in linklist. Admittedly 'weird' PDSEs with recfm=VB. Response by IBM when reported as a problem: You didn't have

Re: Strings

2012-09-17 Thread David Crayford
I consider C++ a much safer language than C, wrt to both string handling and memory management. In fact, I find it difficult to fathom why anybody would still write C code when C++ is such a superior language. Strong typing alone is worth the effort. Memory leaks in C++ code are almost always

Re: Strings

2012-09-19 Thread David Crayford
://dovetail.com On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 7:21 AM, Shane Ginnane ibm-m...@tpg.com.au wrote: On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 13:40:11 +0800, David Crayford wrote: In fact, I find it difficult to fathom why anybody would still write C code when C++ is such a superior language. I seem to recall some fella named

Re: SV: Strings

2012-09-19 Thread David Crayford
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Re: Strings

2012-09-19 Thread David Crayford
.pdf. On 18/09/2012, at 8:21 PM, Shane Ginnane ibm-m...@tpg.com.au wrote: On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 13:40:11 +0800, David Crayford wrote: In fact, I find it difficult to fathom why anybody would still write C code when C++ is such a superior language. I seem to recall some fella named Torvalds

Re: Metal C runtime safe for dynamic LINKing?

2012-09-20 Thread David Crayford
On 21/09/2012 12:09 AM, Farley, Peter x23353 wrote: *** Comments and questions marked below. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of David Crayford Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 11:40 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU

Re: Controlling send() and connect() timeouts?

2012-09-23 Thread David Crayford
The only way I know is to put the socket into non-blocking mode, use select() and then put it back into blocking mode once connected. Just out of interest why do you want to use blocking sockets? On 23/09/2012 8:22 AM, Charles Mills wrote: X-posted to IBMTCP, MVS-OE, and IBMMAIN. I asked

Re: Threading

2012-11-08 Thread David Crayford
I don't know of any examples but I should imagine it's as simple of starting POSIX C stub threads that call COBOL programs. If you want to use shared data structures and use mutexes or condvars in the COBOL programs then you will have to either create COBOL records to map the DSECTS or write

Re: OT, but likely important: Patent troll claims SSL encryption

2012-11-09 Thread David Crayford
While there is no doubt patents are important for protecting valid inventions the majority of software related patents are a joke. Some try to claim mathematical facts as prior art. I see patents as nothing more than trading cards for the big corporations. They seem less relevant in today's

Re: Confused by BPX1CON

2013-09-25 Thread David Crayford
On 26/09/2013 12:04 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Wed, 25 Sep 2013 22:20:49 -0500, Mike Schwab wrote: P.S., in the networking world, it is called a port number. Errr...no. Port numbers are relatively static, and the port numbers for Well Known Services are likely to be defined in

Re: Quote on Slashdot.org

2013-09-30 Thread David Crayford
On 30/09/2013 2:11 PM, Mike Schwab wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ada_(programming_language)#History There is no doubt that Ada is a much, much better programming language then PL/I, C, COBOL etc. It's lack of popularity is probably due to the substantial inertia of it's peers, ala

Re: Quote on Slashdot.org

2013-09-30 Thread David Crayford
On 1/10/2013 5:11 AM, Robert Prins wrote: On 2013-09-30 16:40, Mike Schwab wrote: Pascal is like an improved PL/I, Ada is an improved Pascal. I would rather say that Pascal is a very inferior copy of PL/I. I would have to humbly disagree. Pascals type system alone is far superior. I

Re: Quote on Slashdot.org

2013-10-01 Thread David Crayford
On 1/10/2013 7:13 PM, Shane Ginnane wrote: On Tue, 1 Oct 2013 13:21:15 +0800, David Crayford wrote: I programmed in PL/I professionally and IMO Pascal is a far cleaner language with more expressive features. Pascals successors, such as Module/2 and Delphi, widen the gap even more. I would

Re: Quote on Slashdot.org

2013-10-01 Thread David Crayford
On 1/10/2013 7:23 PM, Thomas Berg wrote: Personally I am of the opinion that a programming language is for the benefit of the programmer, to be least hindered in the coding. It should help the coding and minimize both syntax pondering and keystrokes. A programming language should not have a

Re: Quote on Slashdot.org

2013-10-01 Thread David Crayford
On 1/10/2013 7:51 PM, John Gilmore wrote: David Crayford wrote begin extract I programmed in PL/I professionally and IMO Pascal is a far cleaner language with more expressive features end extract/ and this is a sentiment that I marvel at. I view Pascal as a toy, a pedagogic language animated

Re: Quote on Slashdot.org

2013-10-01 Thread David Crayford
On 1/10/2013 7:41 PM, Shane Ginnane wrote: If I take REXX as an example, although it has its limitations and rough edges, it have 4 important advantages IMHO: 1. It lives up the principle of least astonishment in syntax. 2. Its functionality and syntax is oriented towards the end goal of the

Re: Quote on Slashdot.org

2013-10-01 Thread David Crayford
On 1/10/2013 8:23 PM, Thomas Berg wrote: True, but: 0. I used it as an example of syntax and principles. 1. As I often compile it and if necessary optimize at a high level/use an external tool I seldom have problems with that. (To where did you port what ? Curious if z/OS...) Yes. I

Re: Language development cycle (Perl)

2013-10-01 Thread David Crayford
On 1/10/2013 8:46 PM, Shane Ginnane wrote: On Tue, 1 Oct 2013 19:52:12 +0800, David Crayford wrote: Taking the p**s again Shane! ;-) Sorry ? - what do you mean, again. FWIW, Perl 6 seems to have smoothed out a lot of the rough edges. Never having bothered with Perl, I attended a Linux

Re: Quote on Slashdot.org

2013-10-02 Thread David Crayford
On 3/10/2013 3:35 AM, Kirk Wolf wrote: IBM has reportedly become more interested in LLVM for z: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_itempx=MTM1MTc and has contributed some patches to the LLVM project (at least for C/C++ compilers):

Re: Interested in up to date open source software or low cost utilities?

2013-10-03 Thread David Crayford
Support is important if a customers wants to run open source in production. But that hasn't stopped the masses. Just look at Linux and just about every important piece of software of the last decade or so. It's a tangible idea, but needs to be backed by paid support just like Rocket are doing

Re: Interested in up to date open source software or low cost utilities?

2013-10-03 Thread David Crayford
On 3/10/2013 11:04 PM, David Griffiths wrote: On 3 October 2013 15:33, David Crayford dcrayf...@gmail.com wrote: Support is important if a customers wants to run open source in production. But that hasn't stopped the masses. Just look at Linux and just about every important piece of software

Re: Interested in up to date open source software or low cost utilities?

2013-10-03 Thread David Crayford
On 3/10/2013 11:47 PM, Lizette Koehler wrote: The mainframe has massive applications that if they go down the amount of time to recover the application and/or fix it could take many hours/days that costs the business income. Or cause an LPAR wide outage that affects many more working

Re: Interested in up to date open source software or low cost utilities?

2013-10-03 Thread David Crayford
On 3/10/2013 11:59 PM, Steve Conway wrote: David said, To me it's a no-brainer but convincing mainframers to step outside of their comfort zone is difficult. I have to disagree, partly, with that. In the course of my career, I have been forced repeatedly to learn spiffy new things. As I

Re: Interested in up to date open source software or low cost utilities?

2013-10-03 Thread David Crayford
On 4/10/2013 12:15 AM, John Gilmore wrote: I think that guarantees are less important than would be an established process for fixing, promptly, something that proves to be broken. There are a very few people whose I guarantee this app will work I would give great weight to, without perhaps

Re: Interested in up to date open source software or low cost utilities?

2013-10-03 Thread David Crayford
On 4/10/2013 8:31 AM, Shane Ginnane wrote: Good thread. I like Kirks ideas, but I can't see it flying. IIRC even Dave has alluded to employer resistance to releasing his efforts on the Lua port. The issue wrt me releasing Lua is because of our contract with IBM. I work for a vendor who

Re: Interested in up to date open source software or low cost utilities?

2013-10-03 Thread David Crayford
. On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 8:27 PM, David Crayford dcrayf...@gmail.com wrote: On 4/10/2013 8:31 AM, Shane Ginnane wrote: Good thread. I like Kirks ideas, but I can't see it flying. IIRC even Dave has alluded to employer resistance to releasing his efforts on the Lua port. The issue wrt me

Re: Quote on Slashdot.org

2013-10-03 Thread David Crayford
On 4/10/2013 12:47 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Thu, 3 Oct 2013 16:57:13 -0400, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: I think I rather prefer Python. Out of the frying pan and into the fire. The fact that the indentation level is significant can make things interesting when editing a program. I

Re: Interested in up to date open source software or low cost utilities?

2013-10-03 Thread David Crayford
On 4/10/2013 1:03 PM, Brian Westerman wrote: Unfortunately, as many of you have pointed out in this thread, IBM/CA/BMC software is seen as the premium choice for Systems Automation software, even though feature-for-feature, and cost-wise we have them well and truly beaten. In some ways, the

Re: Interested in up to date open source software or low cost utilities?

2013-10-04 Thread David Crayford
On 4/10/2013 5:30 PM, David Griffiths wrote: On 4 October 2013 06:03, Brian Westerman brian_wester...@syzygyinc.com wrote: Unfortunately, as many of you have pointed out in this thread, IBM/CA/BMC software is seen as the premium choice for Systems Automation software, even though

Re: Interested in up to date open source software or low cost utilities?

2013-10-04 Thread David Crayford
On 4/10/2013 4:53 PM, David Griffiths wrote: On 4 October 2013 04:15, David Crayford dcrayf...@gmail.com wrote: I am not one iota interested in compiling in ASCII. I've tried that before and it's full of holes. I always end up having to manually covert code pages to do simple stuff like write

Re: Quote on Slashdot.org

2013-10-04 Thread David Crayford
On 4/10/2013 8:31 PM, Pew, Curtis G wrote: A couple of years ago our shop decided to standardize on Python for non-mainframe application development, so I've written a fair amount of Python since then. My experience is that using indentation to control structure becomes second-nature very

Re: Announcing the 2013 Master the Mainframe contest

2013-10-05 Thread David Crayford
On 6/10/2013 9:31 AM, Ed Gould wrote: While gaining real-world skills, students will be introduced to the vital role that the mainframe plays in mobile, cloud, and analytics, and they'll learn about our recent integration with the OpenStack cloud computing framework. I can't see OpenStack

Re: Announcing the 2013 Master the Mainframe contest

2013-10-05 Thread David Crayford
On 6/10/2013 12:30 PM, Shane Ginnane wrote: On Sun, 6 Oct 2013 11:53:40 +0800, David Crayford wrote: I can't see OpenStack ever taking off on the mainframe. It's open source software written in the Python programming language. Who on earth is going to risk their job using something like

Re: Announcing the 2013 Master the Mainframe contest

2013-10-06 Thread David Crayford
On 6/10/2013 2:10 PM, Shane Ginnane wrote: On Sun, 6 Oct 2013 13:35:31 +0800, David Crayford wrote: Of course, OpenStack is the new replacement for zManager H http://www.zmanager.org/ I didn't sign up for that but it looks cool! This one is more pertinent http://pic.dhe.ibm.com

Re: Openstack

2013-10-06 Thread David Crayford
On 6/10/2013 2:56 PM, Shane Ginnane wrote: Interesting that VMWare don't see Openstack as an option (competitor) for the enterprise, despite them also investing in it. quote VMware invest in rockstar developers and do very well from it. GoPivitol must be the biggest startup in history. The

Re: Openstack

2013-10-06 Thread David Crayford
On 6/10/2013 3:30 PM, Shane Ginnane wrote: On Sun, 6 Oct 2013 15:04:44 +0800, David Crayford wrote: The word is that OpenStack is years behind similar technology used by the likes of Amazon, Rackspace, Google. I dropped in on VMWorld on the way back from Share - bit of an eye-opener from

Re: Announcing the 2013 Master the Mainframe contest

2013-10-06 Thread David Crayford
at 11:53 PM, David Crayford dcrayf...@gmail.com wrote: On 6/10/2013 9:31 AM, Ed Gould wrote: While gaining real-world skills, students will be introduced to the vital role that the mainframe plays in mobile, cloud, and analytics, and they'll learn about our recent integration

Re: Announcing the 2013 Master the Mainframe contest

2013-10-06 Thread David Crayford
I know I probably don't belong in such elite company as the doyens of this list. My parents were poor, simple folks who couldn't afford to send me to a good school to learn Latin. On 06/10/2013, at 11:42 PM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com wrote: Some part of David Crayford's problem here is

Re: OpenStack (and the 2013 Master the Mainframe Contest)

2013-10-06 Thread David Crayford
I was being sarcastic Timothy! I thought that was obvious but in future I will remember to use a smiley or use sarcasm tags. I do know a thing or two about open source on z/OS. On 7/10/2013 9:34 AM, Timothy Sipples wrote: David Crayford opines: I can't see OpenStack ever taking off

Re: belonging

2013-10-07 Thread David Crayford
On 7/10/2013 7:25 PM, Shane Ginnane wrote: On Mon, 7 Oct 2013 08:04:57 +0800, David Crayford wrote: I know I probably don't belong in such elite company as the doyens of this list. My parents were poor, simple folks who couldn't afford to send me to a good school to learn Latin. Dave, Dave

SMF reporting for Java DB2 batch jobs

2013-10-08 Thread David Crayford
I'm running a test case for one of our products that's currently in development and I can't figure out how to account for the total CPU time for a Java program that executes a DB2 query. I've got four steps running the same query in different programming languages. The step statistics are

Re: But will it be available 24/365 was Re: New Designed Service Portal Coming to IBM

2013-10-08 Thread David Crayford
On 8/10/2013 9:05 PM, Clark Morris wrote: On 7 Oct 2013 15:49:40 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: Heads up. According to the website - 4 weeks to launch: New IBM Support Portal design coming soon! The IBM Support Portal will soon have a new look. Our clients have been telling us

Re: But will it be available 24/365 was Re: New Designed Service Portal Coming to IBM

2013-10-08 Thread David Crayford
On 8/10/2013 9:47 PM, John Gilmore wrote: The misjudgment consisted in choosing edge servers initially. This facility should have been implemented on a mainframe, where adequate availability is a given. I have serious concerns about the capability of the people running IBMs web

Re: But will it be available 24/365 was Re: New Designed Service Portal Coming to IBM

2013-10-09 Thread David Crayford
On 9/10/2013 7:43 PM, John Gilmore wrote: He then turns to extolling the reliability and availability of blade servers, and here we disagree. Whatever their other deficiencies may be, mainframes are much more available and reliable. Interestingly, this is the case not because mainframe

Re: But will it be available 24/365 was Re: New Designed Service Portal Coming to IBM

2013-10-09 Thread David Crayford
On 9 Oct 2013, at 9:16 pm, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com wrote: As usual with you, this has become ad hominem.with irrelevance mixed in. I should have been quite willing to stipulate that human errors can occur in the management of a computer system (or a cutlery drawer), but they were

Re: How diagnose potential memory leaks with LE?

2013-10-10 Thread David Crayford
And Linux has the excellent valgrind. We had talks with IBM wrt porting purify to z/OS but nothing came of it. Unfortunately, the z/OS tools are expensive and buggy. DebugTool stands out as one of the worst products I've ever used. On 11/10/2013, at 5:47 AM, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org

Re: How diagnose potential memory leaks with LE?

2013-10-10 Thread David Crayford
On 11/10/2013 5:47 AM, Charles Mills wrote: FWIW, MS Visual Studio 2010, which I use for editing and alpha testing, has excellent memory leak diagnosis facilities. Not only memory diagnosis tools but a complete development toolset. Including a profiler that you can attach to a running process

Re: SMF reporting for Java DB2 batch jobs

2013-10-12 Thread David Crayford
the jobname from the parent process. SMF30JBN... 'BENCHSQL' SMF30PGM... 'BPXPRECP' Thanks for you help On 8 October 2013 13:00, David Crayford dcrayf...@gmail.com wrote: I'm running a test case for one of our products that's currently in development and I can't figure out how to account

Re: But will it be available 24/365 was Re: New Designed Service Portal Coming to IBM

2013-10-13 Thread David Crayford
I'm pleased it tickled you! I give you +1 for perfectly picking the bidialectal twist ;-) . On 10/10/2013 2:59 AM, John Gilmore wrote: My word you really do spit the dummy old chap has made my day. It is a delightful example of a perhaps not quite current Australian idiom---'spit the dummy'

Re: OT - from June, an article on how fantastic healthcare.gov is

2013-10-14 Thread David Crayford
On 15/10/2013 4:21 AM, Kirk Wolf wrote: How great to finally have government information systems built by hipsters Hardly hipsters. The project was outsourced to CGI Federal :). There are certainly parallels here with gov.uk, but gov.uk has been a resounding success. It's a bit like one

Re: OT - from June, an article on how fantastic healthcare.gov is

2013-10-15 Thread David Crayford
Technologies http://dovetail.com On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 7:58 PM, David Crayford dcrayf...@gmail.com wrote: On 15/10/2013 4:21 AM, Kirk Wolf wrote: How great to finally have government information systems built by hipsters Hardly hipsters. The project was outsourced to CGI Federal

Re: MongoDB

2013-10-15 Thread David Crayford
On 16/10/2013 11:51 AM, Ze'ev Atlas wrote: Since NoSQL seems to be reigning supreme, I decided to study MongoDB which was both recommended by a friend (a PM who is managing an actual project with that stuff) and is the most popular NoSQL engine out there according to

Re: OT - from June, an article on how fantastic healthcare.gov is

2013-10-16 Thread David Crayford
On 16/10/2013 2:21 AM, John Norgauer wrote: See how wonderful and simple Obamanocare is: http://1.usa.gov/acamess. That's brilliant! The best laugh I've had all day. I've got to give credit to the Republican party - if you're gonna create an obfuscated graphic then do it in style!

Re: Pretty decent article: How to develop unmaintainable software

2013-10-16 Thread David Crayford
Good site. The authors idea of legacy, Java, J2EE etc is probably a tad different to our world. On 16/10/2013, at 8:13 PM, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com wrote: http://typicalprogrammer.com/?p=249 The author is a self employed fixer who is generally called in to help a company

Re: OT - from June, an article on how fantastic healthcare.gov is

2013-10-16 Thread David Crayford
On 17/10/2013 1:59 AM, Tony Harminc wrote: I had a look at the website and it looks great. I love the minimalism, very modern. All the knockers that are complaining that it looks like a GoDaddy parked domain page haven't got a clue about good UI design. Knockers. GoDaddy. Heh... Most of the

Google F1 was: Re: MongoDB

2013-10-16 Thread David Crayford
The brainiacs over at google have invented a novel hybrid data base for their Ads business http://research.google.com/pubs/pub38125.html. It supports hierarchical schemas. Quote With F1, we have built a novel hybrid system that combines the scalability, fault tolerance, transparent sharding,

Re: OT - from June, an article on how fantastic healthcare.gov is

2013-10-17 Thread David Crayford
On 17/10/2013 8:24 PM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: In 525f3848.5040...@gmail.com, on 10/17/2013 at 09:07 AM, David Crayford dcrayf...@gmail.com said: Most of the articles I've read about healthcare.gov criticise the design of the website for being old fashioned Tufte should write

Re: Google F1 was: Re: MongoDB

2013-10-17 Thread David Crayford
[mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of David Crayford Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 10:11 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Google F1 was: Re: MongoDB The brainiacs over at google have invented a novel hybrid data base for their Ads business http://research.google.com/pubs

Re: OT - from June, an article on how fantastic healthcare.gov is

2013-10-17 Thread David Crayford
On 18/10/2013 4:26 AM, Kirk Wolf wrote: News today: After bragging about using and contributing open source, healthcare.govviolated a open source license for a popular javascript UI toolkit:

Re: OT - from June, an article on how fantastic healthcare.gov is

2013-10-18 Thread David Crayford
there. Approval would have been the first cab of the rank. I believe the article. It was easy enough to verify and if not true it would have been easy to refute, which hasn't Has anybody verified it? Kirk Wolf Dovetailed Technologies http://dovetail.com On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 9:43 PM, David

Re: OT - from June, an article on how fantastic healthcare.gov is

2013-10-18 Thread David Crayford
On 18/10/13 22:30, Kirk Wolf wrote: On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 9:17 AM, David Crayford dcrayf...@gmail.com wrote: I believe the article. It was easy enough to verify and if not true it would have been easy to refute, which hasn't Has anybody verified it? Check it out: https

Re: Is there currently a way to access MongoDB from z/OS LE languages?

2013-10-24 Thread David Crayford
On 25/10/2013 10:04 AM, Ze'ev Atlas wrote: Hi all Is there currently a way to access MongoDB from z/OS LE languages? It should be simple enough to build a client. There are many http://docs.mongodb.org/ecosystem/drivers/. Of course, that's for accessing MongoDB running off the mainframe. I'm

Re: Is there currently a way to access MongoDB from z/OS LE languages?

2013-10-24 Thread David Crayford
On 25/10/2013 10:29 AM, Ze'ev Atlas wrote: Assuming I use my experience in porting Open Source C libraries to the mainframe and import the MongoDB C driver and compile it successfully, my main issue would then be, as usual, the pesky EBCDIC. When working on the PCRE library, there was

Re: Is there currently a way to access MongoDB from z/OS LE languages?

2013-10-24 Thread David Crayford
On 25/10/2013 10:58 AM, Ze'ev Atlas wrote: It should be simple enough to build a client. There are many http://docs.mongodb.org/ecosystem/drivers/. Of course, that's for accessing MongoDB running off the mainframe. I'm interested to know why you would want to do that? I have no intention on

Re: Is there currently a way to access MongoDB from z/OS LE languages?

2013-10-24 Thread David Crayford
On 25/10/2013 12:28 PM, Tony Harminc wrote: On 24 October 2013 23:49, Ze'ev Atlas zatl...@yahoo.com wrote: About a previous post, the endianess should not be a big issue to deal with once the two sides of the protocol are well defined. The EBCDIC issue is a make or break issue. MongoDB

Re: Is there currently a way to access MongoDB from z/OS LE languages?

2013-10-25 Thread David Crayford
with a NoSQL data base which has a very specific API. Why not just use the MongoDB Java API? Does JDBC provide some kind of value add? Rob Rob Schramm Senior Systems Consultant Imperium Group On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 1:18 AM, David Crayford dcrayf...@gmail.com wrote: On 25/10/2013 12:28 PM, Tony

Re: Is there currently a way to access MongoDB from z/OS LE languages?

2013-10-25 Thread David Crayford
:03 AM, David Crayford dcrayf...@gmail.com wrote: On 25/10/2013 1:51 PM, Rob Schramm wrote: With a JDBC driver and a bit of JAVA code..you could use the COBOL/JAVA procedure BCDBATCH to help tie the two together. Did a quick scan and there appear to be at least few JDBC drivers. I'm scratching

Re: Is there currently a way to access MongoDB from z/OS LE languages?

2013-10-26 Thread David Crayford
On 27/10/2013 7:44 AM, Ze'ev Atlas wrote: Is SQL really that much better then native APIs? In the case of your typical key/value data store surely get/set is easier than SELECT FROM WHERE/UPDATE SET IN etc. My short answer would be YES! I disagree. One of the reasons for choosing a NoSQL

Re: Interested in up to date open source software or low cost utilities?

2013-10-27 Thread David Crayford
On 27/10/2013 6:50 PM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: In 1461078175079083.wa.zatlas1yahoo@listserv.ua.edu, on 10/26/2013 at 09:28 PM, Ze'ev Atlas zatl...@yahoo.com said: The issue is that if you provide a binary for IBM-1047 it surely won't work on a IBM-1026 Turkish or Greek or any

Re: Interested in up to date open source software or low cost utilities?

2013-10-27 Thread David Crayford
Locale can be set by environment variable. It's not a compile time option. The stock regex engines handle locales on z/OS. On 27 Oct 2013, at 9:00 pm, Ze'ev Atlas zatl...@yahoo.com wrote: Why can't it test for locale? because they do not have C and cannot build it. for me, to change the

Re: Is there currently a way to access MongoDB from z/OS LE languages?

2013-10-27 Thread David Crayford
On 28/10/2013 11:39 AM, Timothy Sipples wrote: David Crayford writes: I'm not aware of any previous requirement for a mainframe COBOL program to access a data base running on a different platform. That's fairly common. To pick an example, Oracle offers a product called Oracle Access Manager

Re: Interested in up to date open source software or low cost utilities?

2013-10-29 Thread David Crayford
On 29/10/2013 4:04 AM, Gord Tomlin wrote: But I now see from what Mr. Gilmore has been saying that I am perhaps wanting too much from a computer language. I will need to depend on the programmer actually doing the proper things in all of his/her programs. So that when I use chorizo in English

Re: Is there currently a way to access MongoDB from z/OS LE languages?

2013-10-29 Thread David Crayford
On 29/10/2013 4:47 PM, Timothy Sipples wrote: David Crayford writes: I wonder if there is a market for mainframe legacy applications to access NoSQL data stores? Of course. Case in point: the IBM DB2 Analytics Accelerator. The PureData System for Analytics which powers the IDAA

Re: Unicode (was: ... open source ...?)

2013-10-29 Thread David Crayford
On 29/10/2013 8:48 PM, Charles Mills wrote: What is a significant, relevant example of a subset implementation of Unicode? I'm guessing that John is referring to UTF-32 or UTF-16 and subsets would be encodings with fewer bits. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe

Re: SHARE Blog: News Flash: The Mainframe (Still) Isn't Dead

2013-10-29 Thread David Crayford
On 29/10/2013 5:37 AM, Gerhard Adam wrote: As for Google and many of these other companies, they are certainly adequate for the markets they are in, what what technology are they exploiting? Are they demonstrably cheaper to run? Do they require less staff? In short, what is the basis for

Re: SHARE Blog: News Flash: The Mainframe (Still) Isn't Dead

2013-10-29 Thread David Crayford
On 29/10/2013 11:23 PM, Tom Marchant wrote: On Mon, 28 Oct 2013 13:47:19 -0500, John Gilmore wrote: Lynn Wheeler's numbers are arithmetically correct, but they are also problematic. Mainframe channels perform multiple concurrent I/O operations that are not adequately reflected in them. And

Re: Is there currently a way to access MongoDB from z/OS LE languages?

2013-10-30 Thread David Crayford
On 30/10/2013 3:01 PM, Timothy Sipples wrote: I've recently been writing web servers using Lua/Orbit. From the reports I've read there doesn't seem to be any particular problem compiling Lua on z/OS (via make posix). As mentioned previously, if you want to operate on EBCDIC data there might be

Re: [slightly] off topic: SPFPRO on Win 8.1

2013-10-30 Thread David Crayford
On 30/10/2013 9:55 PM, Dave Cole wrote: At 10/30/2013 09:40 AM, John McKown wrote: Being a Linux bigot (only use Windows at work), I am wondering if there is any documentation on SPFPRO or other ISPF-like environments. In particular, do these products emulate all of ISPF or only the ISPF

Re: ObamaCare Web Site Problems

2013-10-30 Thread David Crayford
On 30/10/2013 10:11 PM, Jim Marshall wrote: There is a NetworkWorld story which is worth a read revealing some of the problems. Much thanks to Compuware using some of its Application Performance Monitoring tools to uncover certain things. It is worth it to click on the gentleman's Blog for

Re: Is there currently a way to access MongoDB from z/OS LE languages?

2013-10-30 Thread David Crayford
You speak with great authority about this Timothy. Do you have any real world experience with open source and porting to z/OS? On 31/10/2013 1:35 PM, Timothy Sipples wrote: Shmuel Metz writes: ...z/OS does require EBCDIC. It does not (if referring to ported applications), and repeating a

Re: Serialization without Enque

2013-11-04 Thread David Crayford
On 4/11/2013 4:49 PM, Rob Scott wrote: I also think the uptake of PLO would be greater if there were some decent example code in the manuals - for instance a client adding a request to the tail of the queue whilst a server is removing from the head. Maybe somebody with expertise should blog

Re: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-11-05 Thread David Crayford
On 5/11/2013 8:01 PM, Shane Ginnane wrote: On Tue, 5 Nov 2013 11:33:12 +, DASDBILL2 wrote: Every young person contemplating a mainframe career should spend a week reading IBM-Main. Maybe they do and that’s another reason why the profession is dying. That's a bit close to the bone.

Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-11-05 Thread David Crayford
On 6/11/2013 5:40 AM, Mark Post wrote: Now if you want to point a finger at some things in Linux that really, really could use improvement, let's talk about diagnostic instrumentation in the operating system, as well as much better data for performance management. The latter particularly is

Re: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-11-05 Thread David Crayford
On 6/11/2013 12:37 AM, John Gilmore wrote: I do of course agree that z/OS is perceived to be boring, but that is another question. I don't think it's perceived as boring, certainly it's perceived as user hostile. Take Pauls cp command example, it's easy to copy files using a simple command.

Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-11-05 Thread David Crayford
On 6/11/2013 8:31 AM, Jon Perryman wrote: For security, the ones I know about are LDAP, RSA.and standard UNIX security model. I suspect there are others in the GRC field. Your forgot kerberos, probably the most significant. z/OS supports LDAP (Tivoli) and kerberos and so it should. It has to

Re: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-11-05 Thread David Crayford
On 6/11/2013 10:33 AM, Gerhard Postpischil wrote: On 11/5/2013 7:26 PM, David Crayford wrote: I don't think it's perceived as boring, certainly it's perceived as user hostile. Take Pauls cp command example, it's easy to copy files using a simple command. For those that prefer GUIs they can drag

Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-11-05 Thread David Crayford
On 6/11/2013 11:31 AM, Shane Ginnane wrote: On Wed, 6 Nov 2013 08:18:39 +0800, David Crayford wrote: On 6/11/2013 5:40 AM, Mark Post wrote: Now if you want to point a finger at some things in Linux that really, really could use improvement, let's talk about diagnostic instrumentation

Re: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-11-06 Thread David Crayford
JCL is neither simple or powerful. It's a piece of poorly designed junk that should never have made GA. Even it's original implementers admit that it's rubbish. Try explaining the reverse logic of condition codes to a youngster and they will die laughing. Hey, how do I do a loop in this code?

Re: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-11-06 Thread David Crayford
On 6 Nov 2013, at 11:32 pm, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote: On Wed, 6 Nov 2013 22:45:01 +0800, David Crayford wrote: JCL is neither simple or powerful. It's a piece of poorly designed junk that should never have made GA. Even it's original implementers admit that it's rubbish

Re: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-11-06 Thread David Crayford
On 7/11/2013 7:22 AM, Tony Harminc wrote: On 6 November 2013 18:02, Frank Swarbrick frank.swarbr...@yahoo.com wrote: Does anyone actually run X-Windows on z/OS? Seems to me GUI things such as the Explorer tools, the Debug Tool (and other Productivity Tools) GUI, etc., and even RDz could be

Re: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-11-06 Thread David Crayford
On 7 Nov 2013, at 9:47 am, Gibney, Dave gib...@wsu.edu wrote: -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of David Crayford Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 5:37 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Aging Sysprogs

Re: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-11-07 Thread David Crayford
On 7/11/2013 10:10 AM, Don Poitras wrote: In article 4212144266386912.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu you wrote: On Wed, 6 Nov 2013 15:02:48 -0800, Frank Swarbrick wrote: Does anyone actually run X-Windows on z/OS?? Seems to me GUI things such as the Explorer tools, the Debug Tool (and

Re: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-11-07 Thread David Crayford
On 7/11/2013 2:32 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Wed, 6 Nov 2013 10:06:39 -0800, Jon Perryman wrote: JCL not having loop capabilities has nothing to do with rewinding card readers. *I* believe he was being facetious. Yes! I do have a propensity for being flippant. IIRC, Brooks regretted

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