Re: OS/390 2.5

2017-11-27 Thread Seymour J Metz
You can't IPL any 24-bit operating system on a machine that doesn't support S/370 mode; it's not just the addressing, but also the I/O. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-M

Re: Graphic output on the mainframe

2017-11-27 Thread Seymour J Metz
I believe that the 3279G used APA rather than PSS; GDDM supports both. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> on behalf of Bernd Oppolzer <bernd.oppol...@t-online

Re: Graphic output on the mainframe

2017-11-27 Thread Seymour J Metz
Or was that the 3179G? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> on behalf of Seymour J Metz <sme...@gmu.edu> Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 12:24 PM

Re: Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release

2017-11-27 Thread Seymour J Metz
Silly me; I thought that IND$FILE had been replaced by WSA, or some combination of FTP, SFTP and WSA. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> on behalf of E

Re: Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release

2017-11-26 Thread Seymour J Metz
There are many, of which the most common are GNOME and KDE; both GTK+ and QT are based on X11. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> on behalf of Tom Bren

Re: Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release

2017-11-26 Thread Seymour J Metz
What is "GDDM graphics", APA or PSS? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> on behalf of Tom Brennan <t...@tombrennansoftware.com> Sent: Sunday, Nove

Re: Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release

2017-11-26 Thread Seymour J Metz
GNOME uses GTK+, which uses X11. KDE uses QT, which uses X11. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> on behalf of Tom Brennan <t...@tombrennansoftware.com>

Contact data for Maynard, Shedlock and Wathen?

2017-11-29 Thread Seymour J Metz
Does anyone have current e-mail addresses for George Shedlock, Jay Maynard or Gene Wathen? Thanks. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions

Re: How to use master catalog as user catalog in another system

2017-11-29 Thread Seymour J Metz
That depends on how you cataloged them. But I suspect that the the OP is not using SYMBOLICRELATE. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 LinkedIn as sme...@gmu.edu From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.

Re: Since it's Friday

2017-12-04 Thread Seymour J Metz
No lateer than 1976. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> on behalf of Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM <kees.verno...@klm.com> Sent: Monday, December 4, 2

Re: Since it's Friday

2017-12-04 Thread Seymour J Metz
Not really, except for its use with TSO. The real replacement for TCAM was MQ. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> on behalf of Mike Wawiorko <014ab5cdf

Re: Since it's Friday

2017-12-04 Thread Seymour J Metz
DSS JES MF/2 MVS/SE RES RMF RTAM SAM-E SMP ... -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> on behalf of Carmen Vitullo <cvitu...@hughes.net> Sent: Monday, December 4

Re: Please do not use my attglobal.net address. Use att.net instead.

2017-12-04 Thread Seymour J Metz
IMHO the CBT tape is well and truly on topic here. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> on behalf of Sam Golob <sbgo...@att.net> Sent: Monday, December 4,

Re: Since it's Friday

2017-12-04 Thread Seymour J Metz
ICF came in with DF/EF, which preceded MVS/XA. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> on behalf of Mike Schwab <mike.a.sch...@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, December

Re: Cobol upgrade 6.2 linklist

2017-12-17 Thread Seymour J Metz
auditor would flag you one several counts if you did as your current auditor suggests. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> on behalf of Jesse 1 Robinson <jes

Re: LONGPARM

2017-12-01 Thread Seymour J Metz
What was advertised was that a main program was just another subroutine. OS/360 did not advertise that the caller of a subroutine would always pass correct parameters. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe

Re: CMS style XMITMSG for Unix and other platforms

2017-12-18 Thread Seymour J Metz
My guess would be CS, but ICBW. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> on behalf of Farley, Peter x23353 <peter.far...@broadridge.com> Sent: Monday, December 1

Re: Bad History (was: "make" question)

2017-12-18 Thread Seymour J Metz
(Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> on behalf of Paul Gilmartin <000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 11:11 AM

Re: Cobol upgrade 6.2 linklist

2017-12-18 Thread Seymour J Metz
"He jests at scars that never felt a wound." But it's not my dog. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> on behalf of Farley, Peter x23353 <peter.fa

Re: Cobol upgrade 6.2 linklist

2017-12-18 Thread Seymour J Metz
It used to be that you couldn't have PDSE in LNKLSTxx, but could add a PDSE with an automatic SETPROG command. I don't know whether that restriction still exists. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion

Re: CMS style XMITMSG for Unix and other platforms

2017-12-18 Thread Seymour J Metz
Back in the Paleolithic era IBM ported VMPC to MVS for use by TCP/IP. The Pascal stack has been dead for lo these many years. Is it conceivable that the VMCF port is still present in z/OS V2? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3

Re: "make" question

2017-12-18 Thread Seymour J Metz
Tabs were a bloody nuisance long before 3270 displays came along; in fact, they may have been worse on hardcopy terminals than on 3270s. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-M

Re: Possible Debug issue

2017-12-13 Thread Seymour J Metz
REGION=0M might even give you less than the default region; you really need to know what your installation's exits are doing. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.

Re: COBOL compilers -- a third parameter?

2017-12-13 Thread Seymour J Metz
Page number? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> on behalf of Charles Mills <charl...@mcn.org> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 2:02 PM To: IBM-MAIN@lis

Re: Rexx console question

2017-12-19 Thread Seymour J Metz
There is no such requirement. Perhaps you're thinking of the serialization of jobs with the same name. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> on behalf of Paul Gil

Re: Cobol upgrade 6.2 linklist

2017-12-19 Thread Seymour J Metz
Correct; with LNKAUTH=APFTAB that particular risk goes away. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> on behalf of Tom Marchant <000a2a8c2020-d

Re: Cobol upgrade 6.2 linklist

2017-12-19 Thread Seymour J Metz
of data compromise or loss. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> on behalf of Jesse 1 Robinson <jesse1.robin...@sce.com> Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 4:01 PM

Re: Finally joined Linkedin

2017-11-21 Thread Seymour J Metz
Blame the keyboard; I'm not dyslexic. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> on behalf of Nims,Alva John (Al) <ajn...@ufl.

Finally joined Linkedin

2017-11-21 Thread Seymour J Metz
, feel free to connect. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN

Re: SFTP

2017-12-07 Thread Seymour J Metz
SMP precedes MVS. Any rule enforced by people who do not understand or care about its purpose will lead to undesirable consequences. Remember "x% of the code lines must habe a comment"? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 ___

Re: SFTP

2017-12-07 Thread Seymour J Metz
you need for SMP packaging. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> on behalf of Andrew Rowley <and...@blackhillsoftware.com> Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 12:

Re: RSU maintenance strategy - Need expert suggestions

2017-12-07 Thread Seymour J Metz
As others have said, there is no one size fits all either for rollout strategy or for frequency. You need to analyze the history, policies and requirements of your shop. The one thing that I would urge is frequent downloading of HOLDDATA. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu

Re: SFTP

2017-12-06 Thread Seymour J Metz
f the REXX script does everything that SMP does but in a different way then IMHO it's acceptable. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> on behalf of Kirk Wolf <k...

Re: SFTP

2017-12-08 Thread Seymour J Metz
"SMPE can only track dependencies it has been told about. Somehow they need to be tracked prior to that so they can be added to the SMPE packaging." The information that you need to construct the SMP packaging you also need to avoid breaking the build. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.)

Re: Can anyone remember "drum" storage?

2017-12-20 Thread Seymour J Metz
No, the STC 4305 was compatible with a disk drive, not with a drum. By the time the 4305 came along, nobody was buying drums. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.

Re: Can anyone remember "drum" storage?

2017-12-20 Thread Seymour J Metz
The difference between a disk drive and a drum drive is geometry, not speed. A drum with moving heads, e.g., UNIVAC FastRand, is as slow as a disk with moving heads. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe

Re: Can anyone remember "drum" storage?

2017-12-20 Thread Seymour J Metz
There was no disk on NCR CRAM.. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> on behalf of ITschak Mugzach <imugz...@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 12:2

Re: Can anyone remember "drum" storage?

2017-12-20 Thread Seymour J Metz
IBM poked fun at the fixed-head disk until they announced the 2305, then it became respectable. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> on behalf of Sean Gleann <

Re: Can anyone remember "drum" storage?

2017-12-20 Thread Seymour J Metz
If it was solid state then it wasn't a drum. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> on behalf of Carmen Vitullo <cvitu...@hughes.net> Sent: Wednesday, Decembe

Re: Can anyone remember "drum" storage?

2017-12-20 Thread Seymour J Metz
The difference between a disk and a drum is geometry, not functionality. A drum has a solid cylinder while a disk drive has flat platters. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-M

Re: Can anyone remember "drum" storage?

2017-12-20 Thread Seymour J Metz
If you had disks or tapes then you also had 60 words of core to use as a buffer. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> on behalf of Clark Morris <cfmpub...@ns.sym

Re: Can anyone remember "drum" storage?

2017-12-20 Thread Seymour J Metz
I know of solid state devices that look like a disk; I know of none that looked like a drum. In particular, the 4305 looked like a disk. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-M

Re: Rant

2018-05-04 Thread Seymour J Metz
her than what's in my search string" flavor. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> on behalf of Charles Mills <charl...@mcn.org> Sent: Thursday,

Re: AC(1)

2018-05-04 Thread Seymour J Metz
Why? Wouldn't it be better to put facilities requiring assembler into function packages so that other REXX scripts can use them? It's no rocket science. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: IEFA107I when pointing to dataset alias

2018-05-04 Thread Seymour J Metz
An alias entry in a PDS directory doesn't point to the base name, it points to the actual member. And, yes, I know about load modules, but what the link editor/binder puts in the user halfwords doesn't count. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3

Re: IEFA107I when pointing to dataset alias

2018-05-06 Thread Seymour J Metz
That may have been cool long ago in a galaxy far away, but after the advent of static system symbols it became unnecessary complexity. Not worth getting rid of if you're already doing it, but it's not the way to go for a new data center. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3

Re: GETMAIN LOC=32

2018-05-14 Thread Seymour J Metz
So there was no intention to run under z/OS? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> on behalf of Paul Edwards <mutazi...@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2

Re: Heretic alert: I really detest TSO REXX (the language)

2018-05-14 Thread Seymour J Metz
answer to the wrong question, and has nothing to do with the need for GLOBALV. Google for "persistent data". -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu

Re: CONTROVERSY! z/OS UNIX: is it an enhancement or a tool of the Devil?

2018-05-14 Thread Seymour J Metz
As I recall, CP/M had PIP from the DEC world, which PC-DOS did not. Wasn't there also a change from ED to EDLIN? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> on behalf of

Re: CONTROVERSY! z/OS UNIX: is it an enhancement or a tool of the Devil?

2018-05-14 Thread Seymour J Metz
oks like a filter!", and I grew up on upper case names, but IMHO the case sensitivity is one of the things they got right. And yes, I have created two files whose names differed only in case, when there was a sound reason for so doing. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gm

Re: CONTROVERSY! z/OS UNIX: is it an enhancement or a tool of the Devil?

2018-05-14 Thread Seymour J Metz
QDOS was intended to be a clone of CP/M. PC-DOS had some significant differences form CP/M; I don't know whether that was true of QDOS. I vaguely recall that CP/M had PIP with DEC syntax. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From

Re: Heretic alert: I really detest TSO REXX (the language)

2018-05-14 Thread Seymour J Metz
) of useful packages. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> on behalf of Phil Smith III <li...@akphs.com> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2018 12:03 AM To: IBM-MAIN@lis

Re: CONTROVERSY! z/OS UNIX: is it an enhancement or a tool of the Devil?

2018-05-14 Thread Seymour J Metz
SCP was certainly inspired by CP/M, but m$ was not. Certainly there are things in PC/MS-DOS that are somewhat different from CP/M. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.

Re: Heretic alert: I really detest TSO REXX (the language)

2018-05-14 Thread Seymour J Metz
>And PROCEDURE gives you lexical scoping of a sort, no? Yes and no, mostly no. The term lexical scoping normally includes proper handling of nesting, which REXX doesn't have. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From:

Re: GETMAIN LOC=32

2018-05-14 Thread Seymour J Metz
At least one poster in this thread made reference to the high 32 bits being altered. Are you saying that he was in error? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> on

Re: Heretic alert: I really detest TSO REXX (the language)

2018-05-14 Thread Seymour J Metz
> You have to write some of the code in Assembler whether you like it or not. As it happens, I like. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> on behalf of David

Re: Heretic alert: I really detest TSO REXX (the language)

2018-05-14 Thread Seymour J Metz
Yes, ISPF has limited (e.g., no named captures) regexen, but lots of REXX code is not intended to run under ISPF. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> on behalf of

Re: GETMAIN LOC=32

2018-05-07 Thread Seymour J Metz
I don't agree that supporting GETMAIN between 2GiB and 4GiB would be elegant, although it might have some practical utility. I also suspect that it would cause more problems than it solved. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From

Re: GETMAIN LOC=32

2018-05-09 Thread Seymour J Metz
OS/VS2 3.8 (MVS) does not have "32-bit load modules". -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> on behalf of Paul Edwards <mutazi...@gmail.com> Sent: Tue

Re: GETMAIN LOC=32

2018-05-09 Thread Seymour J Metz
ess of what >AMODE it has been set to? "implausible"; various instructions work differently in AM24 and AM31, much less AM64. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu>

Re: GETMAIN LOC=32

2018-05-10 Thread Seymour J Metz
Actually, the 32 bit registers go back *before* S/370. The issue is compatibility of AMODE24 code. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> on behalf of Paul Edwards &

Re: GETMAIN LOC=32

2018-05-10 Thread Seymour J Metz
How do run, in AMODE64, an AMODE24 program that relies on bits 0-7 after a BAL or BALR? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> on behalf of Paul Edwards &

Re: GETMAIN LOC=32

2018-05-10 Thread Seymour J Metz
Admittedly IEFBR14 will work fine in AMOD64 if the high 32 bits of R14 and R15 are zero. However, if you have to deal with legacy 24-bit code, then you have to deal with the incompatibility between AMODE24 and AMODE64. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3

Re: GETMAIN LOC=32

2018-05-10 Thread Seymour J Metz
. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> on behalf of Tony Thigpen <t...@vse2pdf.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2018 10:31 PM To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Subject: Re: GE

Re: GETMAIN LOC=32

2018-05-10 Thread Seymour J Metz
If it's bimodal than it's not running under OS/VS2 3.8 (MVS). If it's bimodal and it is running into memory constraints, trimodal is only a bandaid; it needs a rewrite as AMODE64. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM

Re: GETMAIN LOC=32

2018-05-10 Thread Seymour J Metz
in the process? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> on behalf of Paul Edwards <mutazi...@gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2018 9:44 AM To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua

Re: Heretic alert: I really detest TSO REXX (the language)

2018-05-13 Thread Seymour J Metz
called EXTPROC. I agree that shebang support for TSO would be nice. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> on behalf of Tony Harminc <t...@harminc.net> Sent: Friday,

Re: Heretic alert: I really detest TSO REXX (the language)

2018-05-13 Thread Seymour J Metz
clean language for scripting OS commands, and acceptable for more complicated tasks. I just wish that IBM, having invented OREXX, would bring OOREXX into the z fold. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion

Re: Heretic alert: I really detest TSO REXX (the language)

2018-05-13 Thread Seymour J Metz
expressions in tails: x =value('foo.'bar'2') WTF is a "longITERATE" or a "longLEAVE"? Admittedly I use here documents in Perl, but I'm not a big fan of them. Why can't IBM implement GLOBALV in TSO? If IBM would be up OOREXX some of your other issues would be addressed. -- Shmuel (S

Re: [TSO-REXX] Sdsf rexx

2018-05-13 Thread Seymour J Metz
It's not from IBM, but IEBUPDTX blows IEBUPDTE and IEBUPDAT away. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> on behalf of Edward Gould <edgould1...@comcast.net> Se

Re: Heretic alert: I really detest TSO REXX (the language)

2018-05-13 Thread Seymour J Metz
for scripting OS commands -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 http://www.rexxla.org/Newsletter/9812safe.html http://www.rexxla.org/Newsletter/9901safe.html From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> on behalf of

Re: Heretic alert: I really detest TSO REXX (the language)

2018-05-13 Thread Seymour J Metz
. But then, no language is. REXX has its strengths and its weaknesses. It's much cleaner than its competitors for scripting OS commands, but other languages have more expressive power and decent scoping rules. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 http://www.rexxla.org/Newsletter

Re: Heretic alert: I really detest TSO REXX (the language)

2018-05-13 Thread Seymour J Metz
We all have our favorite candidates for worst language ever. I lean to C, but there are other worthy contestants. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> on behalf of

Re: CONTROVERSY! z/OS UNIX: is it an enhancement or a tool of the Devil?

2018-05-13 Thread Seymour J Metz
I'm comfortablewith using Unix files. I'm not comfortable with packaging for MVS components that seems done by people without a clue, but it's not fair to blame that on the use of Unix. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM

Re: CONTROVERSY! z/OS UNIX: is it an enhancement or a tool of the Devil?

2018-05-13 Thread Seymour J Metz
1. m$ started with QDOS, not CP/M 2. CP/M was influence by RT-11 -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> on behalf of Steve Thompson <ste...@copper.net> Sent:

Re: Heretic alert: I really detest TSO REXX (the language)

2018-05-11 Thread Seymour J Metz
booby trap for the unwary. And, yes, it is long past time for IBM to upgrade TSO REXX to OOREXX, or at least ANSI REXX. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> on behalf

Re: Heretic alert: I really detest TSO REXX (the language)

2018-05-11 Thread Seymour J Metz
I/O? The ANSI stream I/O functions are in OOREXX, as are equivalent methods. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> on behalf of John McKown <john.archie.mck...@

Re: GETMAIN LOC=32

2018-05-07 Thread Seymour J Metz
Congratulations; you've invented OS/VS1. I'd also like to see that for DSORG=PO, with ACB-based equivalents to BLDL, FIND and STOW. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.

Re: ZIIP engine utilization

2018-05-18 Thread Seymour J Metz
and overtime should be only for emergencies, not a way of life. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> on behalf of Jesse Lynch <jesse.ly...@state.mn.us> Sent: Thur

Re: trying to reload a pdse after it has been unloaded and ftp'd

2018-05-16 Thread Seymour J Metz
You can FTP an XMIT unload. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> on behalf of Barkow, Eileen <ebar...@doitt.nyc.gov> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 11:57 AM

Re: CONTROVERSY! z/OS UNIX: is it an enhancement or a tool of the Devil?

2018-05-15 Thread Seymour J Metz
> Are you suggesting that there are codepoints that appear in multiple pages >but map differently If Gil is, then he's correct. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listse

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Heretic alert: I really detest TSO REXX (the language)

2018-05-15 Thread Seymour J Metz
stack. Second choice is REXX with freedom to write REXX-aware external functions in HLASM. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> on behalf of Edward Gould <edgould

Re: Heretic alert: I really detest TSO REXX (the language)

2018-05-15 Thread Seymour J Metz
Exactly my point. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> on behalf of Phil Smith III <li...@akphs.com> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2018 4:25 PM To: IBM-MAIN@lis

Re: CONTROVERSY! z/OS UNIX: is it an enhancement or a tool of the Devil?

2018-05-15 Thread Seymour J Metz
Perhaps unclear; I meant "not inspired" in the context of MS/PC-DOS, which sprang from QDOS. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> on behalf of Timot

Re: Heretic alert: I really detest TSO REXX (the language)

2018-05-16 Thread Seymour J Metz
port that. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> on behalf of Paul Gilmartin <000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 12:40 AM T

Re: Heretic alert: I really detest TSO REXX (the language)

2018-05-16 Thread Seymour J Metz
> The unfortunate thing about REXX is that it hasn't improved over the years. What is ANSI Rexx, chopped liver? TSO/E has not kept up with developments in the REXX world, which says more about TSO/E than about REXX. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~sme

Re: CLIP?

2018-05-21 Thread Seymour J Metz
It's a rather old acronym, going back to a stand-alone program for the S/360. The original CLIP could only change the 6-character volser on a DASD volume; later versions could create a tape volume label. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3

Re: CLIP?

2018-05-21 Thread Seymour J Metz
Nope, originally it was a stand-alone program for DASD, and changed only the 6-character volume serial number. Later versions could create a tape label. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <

Re: CLIP?

2018-05-21 Thread Seymour J Metz
I seriously doubt that. Certainly I never heard the term in a computer context prior to the CLIP program of S/360. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> on

Re: [EXTERNAL] TSO notifications from batch job on different LPAR?

2018-05-22 Thread Seymour J Metz
Do you allow multiple concurrent TSO logon of a user in the same sysplex? Do you want the messages to go to all of them? How does D:C send the messages? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <

Re: VTL as 3490 vs 3590

2018-05-22 Thread Seymour J Metz
I have a warped mind: I keep thinking of an RFE for z/OS support of perforated paper (well, mylar) tape. GD -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> on behalf of

Re: VTL as 3490 vs 3590

2018-05-22 Thread Seymour J Metz
IOCP? Can't you do that from PC-readable media these days? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> on behalf of Edward Gould <edgould1...@comcast.net> Sent: Tue

Re: IP printing from JES2?

2018-05-22 Thread Seymour J Metz
Look in z/OS Communications Server: IP User's Guide and Commands. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> on behalf of Paul Gilmartin <000433f07816-d

Re: IP printing from JES2?

2018-05-22 Thread Seymour J Metz
Is it acceptable to convert the data to PDF and e-mail them? How about NJE over TCP/IP, with a node on the PC? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> on behalf of

Re: CLIP?

2018-05-22 Thread Seymour J Metz
The reflective marker goes back at least as far as the 727 tape drive, but I never heard the word "clip" in that context. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.e

Re: [External] Old School Maintenance Philosophy -- Never ACCEPT?

2018-05-23 Thread Seymour J Metz
CSI, and the manual you cited does not claim otherwise. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> on behalf of Paul Gilmartin <000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.

Re: How do I use 3270-4E on TSO?

2018-05-25 Thread Seymour J Metz
That breaks custom logmodes. If I want a WSF, I use D4C32XX2 or something similar. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> on behalf of Paul Gilmartin <000

Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] smp/e question - PTF relinks, but missing CSECTs.

2018-05-25 Thread Seymour J Metz
What was on the APPLY statement? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> on behalf of John McKown <john.archie.mck...@gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 4:3

Re: How to get BPX loadhfs (BPX1LOD) to load module into writable memory?

2018-05-25 Thread Seymour J Metz
The CS community uses "pure" for read-only. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> on behalf of John McKown <john.archie.mck...@gmail.com> Sent: Thurs

Re: How do I use 3270-4E on TSO?

2018-05-25 Thread Seymour J Metz
J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> on behalf of Mike Wawiorko <014ab5cdfb21-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2018 5:07 AM To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu

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