Re: GRS Control Unit ( Was IBM mainframe operations in the 80s)

2015-06-13 Thread Norbert Friemel
On Sat, 13 Jun 2015 12:43:23 +0200, R.S. wrote:

 Has anyone a photo of 3088?

https://ia902603.us.archive.org/BookReader/BookReaderImages.php?zip=/29/items/bitsavers_ibm370feGCEquipmentInstallationPhysicalPlanningMar_20235151/GC22-7064-13_Input_Output_Equipment_Installation_Physical_Planning_Mar93_jp2.zipfile=GC22-7064-13_Input_Output_Equipment_Installation_Physical_Planning_Mar93_jp2/GC22-7064-13_Input_Output_Equipment_Installation_Physical_Planning_Mar93_0023.jp2scale=4rotate=0

or
page 24 (3088-1) 
http://bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/370/fe/GC22-7064-13_Input_Output_Equipment_Installation_Physical_Planning_Mar93.pdf

Norbert Friemel
 

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Re: GRS Control Unit ( Was IBM mainframe operations in the 80s)

2015-06-13 Thread R.S.

Has anyone a photo of 3088?

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GRS Control Unit ( Was IBM mainframe operations in the 80s)

2015-06-12 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
David Crayford wrote:

This is a nice bit of nostalgia as I started my career as an Op back in the 
80's.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwj6pfhWBps

I have watched that nice video, bringing back memories of those 3800, 3380, 
3090, 3420 and such animals.

But what the four letter word is a 'GRS Control Unit'?

Searches on IBM webpages (and history webpages) gave me just all [useless] info 
about GRS or CONTROL or UNIT, but not specific details about that device.

Anyone having a clue what device is it? Is it the grandfather of the XCF and 
such things?

TIA!

Groete / Greetings
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Re: GRS Control Unit ( Was IBM mainframe operations in the 80s)

2015-06-12 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Now I remember!
In 1981, I had to go in when I was on nights (mornings) and switch all the 
printers over.

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Subject: Re: GRS Control Unit ( Was IBM mainframe operations in the 80s)

3088 Multi-System Channel-to-Channel I/O Control Unit. Bus and Tag, connecting 
4 CPUs (IIRC).
We used these (had to have 2 for redundancy) for JES2, VTAM, and CA-MIM 
connectivity. Also
used to connect to VM systems (PVM, RSCS, and CA-MIM). Obsoleted by ESCON and 
Directors.
May have a picture somewhere with a 3088 and 9032 (ESCON director). Without the 
3088, you
needed many dedicated channels on each processor.

zNorman

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Subject: Re: GRS Control Unit ( Was IBM mainframe operations in the 80s)

Yep. That's it. Thanks for remembering. We were still using one when I left my 
previous position in 1995 with a 3090 400E processor.

Mark Jacobs

 Gross, Randall [PRI-1PP] mailto:randy.gr...@primerica.com
 June 12, 2015 at 10:05 AM
 IBM 3088 CTC

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 80s)

 I don't remember the device number but it was used for CTC 
 communications using bus and tag cables.

 Mark Jacobs


 Mark Jacobs - Listserv mailto:mark.jac...@custserv.com June 12, 2015 
 at 10:02 AM I don't remember the device number but it was used for CTC 
 communications using bus and tag cables.

 Mark Jacobs


 Elardus Engelbrecht mailto:elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za
 June 12, 2015 at 9:53 AM

 I have watched that nice video, bringing back memories of those 3800, 
 3380, 3090, 3420 and such animals.

 But what the four letter word is a 'GRS Control Unit'?

 Searches on IBM webpages (and history webpages) gave me just all 
 [useless] info about GRS or CONTROL or UNIT, but not specific details 
 about that device.

 Anyone having a clue what device is it? Is it the grandfather of the 
 XCF and such things?

 TIA!

 Groete / Greetings
 Elardus Engelbrecht

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Re: GRS Control Unit ( Was IBM mainframe operations in the 80s)

2015-06-12 Thread Norman.Hollander
3088 Multi-System Channel-to-Channel I/O Control Unit.  Bus and Tag, connecting 
4 CPUs (IIRC).
We used these (had to have 2 for redundancy) for JES2, VTAM, and CA-MIM 
connectivity. Also
used to connect to VM systems (PVM, RSCS, and CA-MIM). Obsoleted by ESCON and 
Directors.
May have a picture somewhere with a 3088 and 9032 (ESCON director).  Without 
the 3088, you
needed many dedicated channels on each processor.

zNorman

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Of Mark Jacobs - Listserv
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Subject: Re: GRS Control Unit ( Was IBM mainframe operations in the 80s)

Yep. That's it. Thanks for remembering.  We were still using one when I left my 
previous position in 1995 with a 3090 400E processor.

Mark Jacobs

 Gross, Randall [PRI-1PP] mailto:randy.gr...@primerica.com
 June 12, 2015 at 10:05 AM
 IBM 3088 CTC

 Global Resource Serialization

 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] 
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 Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 10:02 AM
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 80s)

 I don't remember the device number but it was used for CTC 
 communications using bus and tag cables.

 Mark Jacobs


 Mark Jacobs - Listserv mailto:mark.jac...@custserv.com June 12, 2015 
 at 10:02 AM I don't remember the device number but it was used for CTC 
 communications using bus and tag cables.

 Mark Jacobs


 Elardus Engelbrecht mailto:elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za
 June 12, 2015 at 9:53 AM

 I have watched that nice video, bringing back memories of those 3800, 
 3380, 3090, 3420 and such animals.

 But what the four letter word is a 'GRS Control Unit'?

 Searches on IBM webpages (and history webpages) gave me just all 
 [useless] info about GRS or CONTROL or UNIT, but not specific details 
 about that device.

 Anyone having a clue what device is it? Is it the grandfather of the 
 XCF and such things?

 TIA!

 Groete / Greetings
 Elardus Engelbrecht

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Re: GRS Control Unit ( Was IBM mainframe operations in the 80s)

2015-06-12 Thread Gross, Randall [PRI-1PP]
IBM 3088 CTC

Global Resource Serialization

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I don't remember the device number but it was used for CTC communications using 
bus and tag cables.

Mark Jacobs

 Elardus Engelbrecht mailto:elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za
 June 12, 2015 at 9:53 AM

 I have watched that nice video, bringing back memories of those 3800, 
 3380, 3090, 3420 and such animals.

 But what the four letter word is a 'GRS Control Unit'?

 Searches on IBM webpages (and history webpages) gave me just all 
 [useless] info about GRS or CONTROL or UNIT, but not specific details 
 about that device.

 Anyone having a clue what device is it? Is it the grandfather of the 
 XCF and such things?

 TIA!

 Groete / Greetings
 Elardus Engelbrecht

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Re: GRS Control Unit ( Was IBM mainframe operations in the 80s)

2015-06-12 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Richard Pinion wrote:
The IBM mainframe emulator Hercules has CTC 3088 functionality.  I think that 
is used for TCP/IP.

Mark Jacobs wrote:
Yep. That's it. Thanks for remembering.  We were still using one when I left 
my previous position in 1995 with a 3090 400E processor.

Gross, Randall wrote:
 IBM 3088 CTC

That is it! Thanks to all.

Now to return to you. There is a 11 MB, 256 pages, PDF with this name: 

'GC22-7064-10_IO_Equipment_Installation_Physical_Planning_Jul86.pdf'

Just Google it and you will get many copies of that PDF in various sites 
including the one bitsavers for example.

example: http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/ibm/370/fe/

That PDF describes this thing on page 18 and other equipment too. Photos 
(somewhat bad but Ok) are also included.

The top of the 3088 described in the doc matches the one in the YouTube video.

Oh, z/VM and many other IBM products currently available still support that 
device for backward compatibility purposes.

Thanks again!

Groete / Greeting
Elardus Engelbrecht

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Re: GRS Control Unit ( Was IBM mainframe operations in the 80s)

2015-06-12 Thread Richard Pinion
The IBM mainframe emulator Hercules has CTC 3088 functionality.  I think
that is used for TCP/IP.



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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2015 10:09:45 -0400

Yep. That's it. Thanks for remembering.  We were still using one when I 
left my previous position in 1995 with a 3090 400E processor.

Mark Jacobs

 Gross, Randall [PRI-1PP] mailto:randy.gr...@primerica.com
 June 12, 2015 at 10:05 AM
 IBM 3088 CTC

 Global Resource Serialization

 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] 
 On Behalf Of Mark Jacobs - Listserv
 Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 10:02 AM
 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
 Subject: Re: GRS Control Unit ( Was IBM mainframe operations in the 80s)

 I don't remember the device number but it was used for CTC 
 communications using bus and tag cables.

 Mark Jacobs


 Mark Jacobs - Listserv mailto:mark.jac...@custserv.com
 June 12, 2015 at 10:02 AM
 I don't remember the device number but it was used for CTC 
 communications using bus and tag cables.

 Mark Jacobs


 Elardus Engelbrecht mailto:elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za
 June 12, 2015 at 9:53 AM

 I have watched that nice video, bringing back memories of those 3800, 
 3380, 3090, 3420 and such animals.

 But what the four letter word is a 'GRS Control Unit'?

 Searches on IBM webpages (and history webpages) gave me just all 
 [useless] info about GRS or CONTROL or UNIT, but not specific details 
 about that device.

 Anyone having a clue what device is it? Is it the grandfather of the 
 XCF and such things?

 TIA!

 Groete / Greetings
 Elardus Engelbrecht

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Re: GRS Control Unit ( Was IBM mainframe operations in the 80s)

2015-06-12 Thread Tom Marchant
On Fri, 12 Jun 2015 09:17:31 -0700, Norman.Hollander wrote:

3088 Multi-System Channel-to-Channel I/O Control Unit. 
Bus and Tag, connecting 4 CPUs (IIRC).

I thought I remembered 8 channel connections. I found this in the 
OS/390 2.10 GRS Planning manual:

Model A1 can connect two systems through up to 63 data links.
Model 1 can connect up to four systems through up to 126 data links.
Model 2 can connect up to eight systems through up to 252 data links.

ISTR it was sometimes referred to as an octopus.

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Re: GRS Control Unit ( Was IBM mainframe operations in the 80s)

2015-06-12 Thread Mark Jacobs - Listserv
I don't remember the device number but it was used for CTC 
communications using bus and tag cables.


Mark Jacobs


Elardus Engelbrecht mailto:elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za
June 12, 2015 at 9:53 AM

I have watched that nice video, bringing back memories of those 3800, 
3380, 3090, 3420 and such animals.


But what the four letter word is a 'GRS Control Unit'?

Searches on IBM webpages (and history webpages) gave me just all 
[useless] info about GRS or CONTROL or UNIT, but not specific details 
about that device.


Anyone having a clue what device is it? Is it the grandfather of the 
XCF and such things?


TIA!

Groete / Greetings
Elardus Engelbrecht

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Re: GRS Control Unit ( Was IBM mainframe operations in the 80s)

2015-06-12 Thread Mark Jacobs - Listserv
Yep. That's it. Thanks for remembering.  We were still using one when I 
left my previous position in 1995 with a 3090 400E processor.


Mark Jacobs


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June 12, 2015 at 10:05 AM
IBM 3088 CTC

Global Resource Serialization

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Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 10:02 AM
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I don't remember the device number but it was used for CTC 
communications using bus and tag cables.


Mark Jacobs


Mark Jacobs - Listserv mailto:mark.jac...@custserv.com
June 12, 2015 at 10:02 AM
I don't remember the device number but it was used for CTC 
communications using bus and tag cables.


Mark Jacobs


Elardus Engelbrecht mailto:elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za
June 12, 2015 at 9:53 AM

I have watched that nice video, bringing back memories of those 3800, 
3380, 3090, 3420 and such animals.


But what the four letter word is a 'GRS Control Unit'?

Searches on IBM webpages (and history webpages) gave me just all 
[useless] info about GRS or CONTROL or UNIT, but not specific details 
about that device.


Anyone having a clue what device is it? Is it the grandfather of the 
XCF and such things?


TIA!

Groete / Greetings
Elardus Engelbrecht

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Re: GRS Control Unit ( Was IBM mainframe operations in the 80s)

2015-06-12 Thread J. Pohlmann
I think it was a 3088

Regards,

Joerg Pohlmann

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I don't remember the device number but it was used for CTC communications using 
bus and tag cables.

Mark Jacobs

 Elardus Engelbrecht mailto:elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za
 June 12, 2015 at 9:53 AM

 I have watched that nice video, bringing back memories of those 3800, 
 3380, 3090, 3420 and such animals.

 But what the four letter word is a 'GRS Control Unit'?

 Searches on IBM webpages (and history webpages) gave me just all 
 [useless] info about GRS or CONTROL or UNIT, but not specific details 
 about that device.

 Anyone having a clue what device is it? Is it the grandfather of the 
 XCF and such things?

 TIA!

 Groete / Greetings
 Elardus Engelbrecht

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IBM mainframe operations in the 80s

2015-06-11 Thread David Crayford
This is a nice bit of nostalgia as I started my career as an Op back in 
the 80's.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwj6pfhWBps

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Re: IBM mainframe operations in the 80s

2015-06-11 Thread Vince Coen

On 11/06/15 20:30, Ken Hume IBM wrote:

So, the shoot coordinator goes off and finds three or four young,
attractive women that were well dressed and brings them into the
computer room. Most of them had no idea what a computer was. All of them
complained that the room was to cold and did not want to stay in there.

We had a good laugh and the publication looked pretty good as well.

Ahh.. The old days...




Referring to tight nipples ?


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Re: IBM mainframe operations in the 80s

2015-06-11 Thread Mike Schwab
http://www.conmicro.com/apple-mstcons-web.jpg

Jay Maynard's unusual master console.

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Re: IBM mainframe operations in the 80s

2015-06-11 Thread Steve Coalbran
NICE!
I remember it well...!
Give me a 3279, SNA-attached with SSRT (Remember that?! 
SubSecondRespondTime?!)
Eat your heart out TCP/IP+LDAP+CITRIX+?!=CTRT (CoffeeTimeResponseTime)!
Then we could really work fast!? and yer try and tell the young folk of 
today... [https://youtu.be/Xe1a1wHxTyo] :-D  



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This is a nice bit of nostalgia as I started my career as an Op back in 
the 80's.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwj6pfhWBps

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Re: IBM mainframe operations in the 80s

2015-06-11 Thread Scott Ford
The wayback machine ...80s , just entered Systems Programming..in
Operations in the 70s before...man

On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 11:16 AM, Steve Coalbran coal...@se.ibm.com wrote:

 NICE!
 I remember it well...!
 Give me a 3279, SNA-attached with SSRT (Remember that?!
 SubSecondRespondTime?!)
 Eat your heart out TCP/IP+LDAP+CITRIX+?!=CTRT (CoffeeTimeResponseTime)!
 Then we could really work fast!? and yer try and tell the young folk of
 today... [https://youtu.be/Xe1a1wHxTyo] :-D



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 Date:   2015-06-11 14:35
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 This is a nice bit of nostalgia as I started my career as an Op back in
 the 80's.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwj6pfhWBps

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Re: IBM mainframe operations in the 80s

2015-06-11 Thread Ken Hume IBM
I remember one time back in the mid-80's The company I worked for was 
doing an annual report and a new customer system we had written and 
implemented was going to be featured in that publication.


In came the photographers and and lights and the cameras. You can imagine 
how the operators looked. Jeans, t-shirts, tennis shoes, etc. As the lead 
operator I had on khakis and a button down collar shirt but no tie. Well, 
that couldn't be shown!!! Never


So, the shoot coordinator goes off and finds three or four young, attractive 
women that were well dressed and brings them into the computer room. Most of 
them had no idea what a computer was. All of them complained that the room 
was to cold and did not want to stay in there.


We had a good laugh and the publication looked pretty good as well.

Ahh.. The old days...

Ken

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The wayback machine ...80s , just entered Systems Programming..in
Operations in the 70s before...man

On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 11:16 AM, Steve Coalbran coal...@se.ibm.com wrote:


NICE!
I remember it well...!
Give me a 3279, SNA-attached with SSRT (Remember that?!
SubSecondRespondTime?!)
Eat your heart out TCP/IP+LDAP+CITRIX+?!=CTRT (CoffeeTimeResponseTime)!
Then we could really work fast!? and yer try and tell the young folk of
today... [https://youtu.be/Xe1a1wHxTyo] :-D



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This is a nice bit of nostalgia as I started my career as an Op back in
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwj6pfhWBps

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