Re: CFSizer site move

2018-04-12 Thread Allan Staller 
agreed

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KC is even worse: its contents frame is hopeless, its data frame is hopeless 
and the connection between them is also hopeless.

Grtn,
Kees.


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> On Behalf Of Elardus Engelbrecht
> Sent: 12 April, 2018 9:58
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> Subject: Re: CFSizer site move
>
> Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM wrote:
>
> >For fun, I tried to find cfsizer, as if I had a non-working link.
> >I went to IBM.COM and for speed I typed cfsizer in the search box. I
> got *300* matches.
> >Hoping that they were ordered on relevance, I went to the first hit
> about Z mainframes, but it did not even contain the word "cfsizer".
>
> I feel your pain. Please reread my thread 'Failed searches in KC' in
> March 2018.
>
> 
>
> Try searching 'FSUM7351 not found'. Go ahead. Just a list of useless
> links.
>
> I had to resolve an OMVS script issue after getting that nice FSUM
> message.
>
> Or try to search for DB2 command '-set sysparm'. Good luck.
>
>
> >Could you give me a useful way to find something (z/OS related) in
> IBM.COM?
>
> It is somewhat hard. After searching on ibm.com and not getting what I
> want, I usually open the KC site and then move on.
>
> About that DB2 command, it took me a while to locate the KC for DB2.
>
> 
>
> Groete / Greetings
> Elardus Engelbrecht
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Re: CFSizer site move

2018-04-12 Thread Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM 
Sure, I know the Google trick, I use it often.
But it is a shame, that IBM needs Google to guide its customers decently 
through their website.

Kees.


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> Behalf Of van der Grijn, Bart (B)
> Sent: 12 April, 2018 12:35
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> Subject: Re: CFSizer site move
> 
> Kees, there used to be an IBM techdoc article where IBM admitted that
> their search capabilities suck. The suggestion in the article was to use
> google with a site:ibm.com tag. Not sure if the article is still there.
> I did a google search on "cfsizer site:ibm.com" and the first hit seems
> to be what you would expect.
> 
> Bart
> 
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> Behalf Of Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM
> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 3:05 AM
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> Subject: Re: CFSizer site move
> 
> This email originated from outside of the organization.
> 
> 
> Communication is not really the solution here. If every url in the IBM
> site that was changed would be communicated to me, I would be flooded
> and I would direct them immediately to the spam box. And by the time I
> needed the cfsizer url-change info, I am sure I will not be able to find
> it anymore.
> 
> For fun, I tried to find cfsizer, as if I had a non-working link.
> 
> I went to IBM.COM and for speed I typed cfsizer in the search box. I got
> *300* matches.
> Hoping that they were ordered on relevance, I went to the first hit
> about Z mainframes, but it did not even contain the word "cfsizer". How
> did this come up in the answers, this is not Facebook, is it, knowing
> better than I do myself what I want to see.
> Then second was a cfsizer APAR.
> The third was a problem about ReporterPLUS (what is that), but again no
> text "cfsizer" on the page.
> Etc. since I had other things to do too today, I stopped after two pages
> of results, but I had not found cfsizer yet.
> 
> Then, on the IBM.COM site I went to 'Support', although it did was not
> the first obvious selection in my opinion. In that search box I typed
> cfsizer and this gave 490 results, all of them more or less related to
> cfsizer, but as far as I could see, no link to *the* cfsizer page.
> 
> That's the problem, if you have a huge, complex site like IBM, make it
> at least well accessible. Each time I found a page, I store it in my
> favorites, so I can find it back easily. Each time I have a broken link
> on the IBM site, I am sure this will cost me a lot of time to find the
> new one or I must hope that a colleague has already found it.
> 
> Could you give me a useful way to find something (z/OS related) in
> IBM.COM?
> 
> Grtn,
> Kees.
> 
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> > Behalf Of Edward Finnell
> > Sent: 11 April, 2018 20:51
> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > Subject: Re: CFSizer site move
> >
> > "What we have here Luke is a failure to communicate"
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 4/11/2018 1:33:58 PM Central Standard Time,
> > nei...@us.ibm.com writes:
> >
> >
> > But I'll be working on getting the various publications and websites
> > that point to CFSizer updated with the new URL. Sorry for the
> > inconvenience.
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Re: CFSizer site move

2018-04-12 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht 
Bart van der Grijn wrote:

>I did a google search on "cfsizer site:ibm.com" and the first hit seems to be 
>what you would expect. 

I followed your hint and I got that site: 
https://www-947.ibm.com/systems/support/z/cfsizer/
... via 
https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSLTBW_2.1.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r1.ieaf100/lscfsp.htm


Thanks for telling us that good hint. I also believe that would help Kees.

Groete / Greetings
Elardus Engelbrecht

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Re: CFSizer site move

2018-04-12 Thread van der Grijn, Bart (B) 
Kees, there used to be an IBM techdoc article where IBM admitted that their 
search capabilities suck. The suggestion in the article was to use google with 
a site:ibm.com tag. Not sure if the article is still there. 
I did a google search on "cfsizer site:ibm.com" and the first hit seems to be 
what you would expect. 

Bart

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Of Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 3:05 AM
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Subject: Re: CFSizer site move

This email originated from outside of the organization.


Communication is not really the solution here. If every url in the IBM site 
that was changed would be communicated to me, I would be flooded and I would 
direct them immediately to the spam box. And by the time I needed the cfsizer 
url-change info, I am sure I will not be able to find it anymore.

For fun, I tried to find cfsizer, as if I had a non-working link.

I went to IBM.COM and for speed I typed cfsizer in the search box. I got *300* 
matches.
Hoping that they were ordered on relevance, I went to the first hit about Z 
mainframes, but it did not even contain the word "cfsizer". How did this come 
up in the answers, this is not Facebook, is it, knowing better than I do myself 
what I want to see.
Then second was a cfsizer APAR.
The third was a problem about ReporterPLUS (what is that), but again no text 
"cfsizer" on the page.
Etc. since I had other things to do too today, I stopped after two pages of 
results, but I had not found cfsizer yet.

Then, on the IBM.COM site I went to 'Support', although it did was not the 
first obvious selection in my opinion. In that search box I typed cfsizer and 
this gave 490 results, all of them more or less related to cfsizer, but as far 
as I could see, no link to *the* cfsizer page.

That's the problem, if you have a huge, complex site like IBM, make it at least 
well accessible. Each time I found a page, I store it in my favorites, so I can 
find it back easily. Each time I have a broken link on the IBM site, I am sure 
this will cost me a lot of time to find the new one or I must hope that a 
colleague has already found it.

Could you give me a useful way to find something (z/OS related) in IBM.COM?

Grtn,
Kees.

> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
> Behalf Of Edward Finnell
> Sent: 11 April, 2018 20:51
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: CFSizer site move
>
> "What we have here Luke is a failure to communicate"
>
>
> In a message dated 4/11/2018 1:33:58 PM Central Standard Time,
> nei...@us.ibm.com writes:
>
>
> But I'll be working on getting the various publications and websites
> that point to CFSizer updated with the new URL. Sorry for the
> inconvenience.

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Re: CFSizer site move

2018-04-12 Thread David Cole 
Did you try Google?  I find the one I'm using crappy search engines (Amazon
for example) , if I go and put the search into Google I often  have better
success than with the native search engine.

On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 5:13 AM Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM <
kees.verno...@klm.com> wrote:

> KC is even worse: its contents frame is hopeless, its data frame is
> hopeless and the connection between them is also hopeless.
>
> Grtn,
> Kees.
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
> > Behalf Of Elardus Engelbrecht
> > Sent: 12 April, 2018 9:58
> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > Subject: Re: CFSizer site move
> >
> > Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM wrote:
> >
> > >For fun, I tried to find cfsizer, as if I had a non-working link.
> > >I went to IBM.COM and for speed I typed cfsizer in the search box. I
> > got *300* matches.
> > >Hoping that they were ordered on relevance, I went to the first hit
> > about Z mainframes, but it did not even contain the word "cfsizer".
> >
> > I feel your pain. Please reread my thread 'Failed searches in KC' in
> > March 2018.
> >
> > 
> >
> > Try searching 'FSUM7351 not found'. Go ahead. Just a list of useless
> > links.
> >
> > I had to resolve an OMVS script issue after getting that nice FSUM
> > message.
> >
> > Or try to search for DB2 command '-set sysparm'. Good luck.
> >
> >
> > >Could you give me a useful way to find something (z/OS related) in
> > IBM.COM?
> >
> > It is somewhat hard. After searching on ibm.com and not getting what I
> > want, I usually open the KC site and then move on.
> >
> > About that DB2 command, it took me a while to locate the KC for DB2.
> >
> > 
> >
> > Groete / Greetings
> > Elardus Engelbrecht
> >
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Re: CFSizer site move

2018-04-12 Thread Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM 
KC is even worse: its contents frame is hopeless, its data frame is hopeless 
and the connection between them is also hopeless. 

Grtn,
Kees.


> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
> Behalf Of Elardus Engelbrecht
> Sent: 12 April, 2018 9:58
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: CFSizer site move
> 
> Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM wrote:
> 
> >For fun, I tried to find cfsizer, as if I had a non-working link.
> >I went to IBM.COM and for speed I typed cfsizer in the search box. I
> got *300* matches.
> >Hoping that they were ordered on relevance, I went to the first hit
> about Z mainframes, but it did not even contain the word "cfsizer".
> 
> I feel your pain. Please reread my thread 'Failed searches in KC' in
> March 2018.
> 
> 
> 
> Try searching 'FSUM7351 not found'. Go ahead. Just a list of useless
> links.
> 
> I had to resolve an OMVS script issue after getting that nice FSUM
> message.
> 
> Or try to search for DB2 command '-set sysparm'. Good luck.
> 
> 
> >Could you give me a useful way to find something (z/OS related) in
> IBM.COM?
> 
> It is somewhat hard. After searching on ibm.com and not getting what I
> want, I usually open the KC site and then move on.
> 
> About that DB2 command, it took me a while to locate the KC for DB2.
> 
> 
> 
> Groete / Greetings
> Elardus Engelbrecht
> 
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Re: CFSizer site move

2018-04-12 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht 
Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM wrote:

>For fun, I tried to find cfsizer, as if I had a non-working link.
>I went to IBM.COM and for speed I typed cfsizer in the search box. I got *300* 
>matches. 
>Hoping that they were ordered on relevance, I went to the first hit about Z 
>mainframes, but it did not even contain the word "cfsizer". 

I feel your pain. Please reread my thread 'Failed searches in KC' in March 
2018. 



Try searching 'FSUM7351 not found'. Go ahead. Just a list of useless links. 

I had to resolve an OMVS script issue after getting that nice FSUM message.

Or try to search for DB2 command '-set sysparm'. Good luck.


>Could you give me a useful way to find something (z/OS related) in IBM.COM?

It is somewhat hard. After searching on ibm.com and not getting what I want, I 
usually open the KC site and then move on.

About that DB2 command, it took me a while to locate the KC for DB2.



Groete / Greetings
Elardus Engelbrecht

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Re: CFSizer site move

2018-04-12 Thread Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM 
Communication is not really the solution here. If every url in the IBM site 
that was changed would be communicated to me, I would be flooded and I would 
direct them immediately to the spam box. And by the time I needed the cfsizer 
url-change info, I am sure I will not be able to find it anymore.

For fun, I tried to find cfsizer, as if I had a non-working link.

I went to IBM.COM and for speed I typed cfsizer in the search box. I got *300* 
matches. 
Hoping that they were ordered on relevance, I went to the first hit about Z 
mainframes, but it did not even contain the word "cfsizer". How did this come 
up in the answers, this is not Facebook, is it, knowing better than I do myself 
what I want to see.
Then second was a cfsizer APAR.
The third was a problem about ReporterPLUS (what is that), but again no text 
"cfsizer" on the page.
Etc. since I had other things to do too today, I stopped after two pages of 
results, but I had not found cfsizer yet.

Then, on the IBM.COM site I went to 'Support', although it did was not the 
first obvious selection in my opinion. In that search box I typed cfsizer and 
this gave 490 results, all of them more or less related to cfsizer, but as far 
as I could see, no link to *the* cfsizer page.

That's the problem, if you have a huge, complex site like IBM, make it at least 
well accessible. Each time I found a page, I store it in my favorites, so I can 
find it back easily. Each time I have a broken link on the IBM site, I am sure 
this will cost me a lot of time to find the new one or I must hope that a 
colleague has already found it.

Could you give me a useful way to find something (z/OS related) in IBM.COM?

Grtn,
Kees.

> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
> Behalf Of Edward Finnell
> Sent: 11 April, 2018 20:51
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: CFSizer site move
> 
> "What we have here Luke is a failure to communicate"
> 
> 
> In a message dated 4/11/2018 1:33:58 PM Central Standard Time,
> nei...@us.ibm.com writes:
> 
> 
> But I'll be working on getting the various publications and websites
> that point to CFSizer updated with the new URL. Sorry for the
> inconvenience.
> 
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Re: CFSizer site move

2018-04-11 Thread Edward Finnell 
"What we have here Luke is a failure to communicate"


In a message dated 4/11/2018 1:33:58 PM Central Standard Time, 
nei...@us.ibm.com writes:

 
But I'll be working on getting the various publications and websites that point 
to CFSizer updated with the new URL. Sorry for the inconvenience.

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Re: CFSizer site move

2018-04-11 Thread Bill Neiman 
On Wed, 11 Apr 2018 12:50:41 +, Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM 
 wrote:

>Can you explain why pages have to move? 
>In the huge IBM website, the only way to keep interesting pages at hand, once 
>you finally found them, is b.m.o. bookmarks, favorites etc. 
>However it is always only a matter of time (10 or 20 months or so) until the 
>link breaks, because the page has been moved and I must start again to try to 
>find is. 
>I am lucky to read your post, so I can store the new URL, but most of the time 
>I had to find out the hard way.
>
>Kees.

Kees,

I wish I could explain it.  Servers get consolidated, code repositories get 
sunset, and then the site owners have to find a new home.  I'm a z/OS developer 
by trade and only an occasional web developer, so I'm not part of the ibm.com 
web management organization and wasn't involved in the decision to move.  I'm 
afraid I can't explain the factors that went into this or previous decisions.  
When sites do move, however, we normally establish redirects so that requests 
directed to the old URLs can be rerouted transparently to the new site.  
Unfortunately, this transition caught me by surprise so the redirects are still 
working their way through the approval process.  But I'll be working on getting 
the various publications and websites that point to CFSizer updated with the 
new URL.  Sorry for the inconvenience.

Bill Neiman
Parallel Sysplex development
IBM

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Re: CFSizer site move

2018-04-11 Thread Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM 
Can you explain why pages have to move? 
In the huge IBM website, the only way to keep interesting pages at hand, once 
you finally found them, is b.m.o. bookmarks, favorites etc. 
However it is always only a matter of time (10 or 20 months or so) until the 
link breaks, because the page has been moved and I must start again to try to 
find is. 
I am lucky to read your post, so I can store the new URL, but most of the time 
I had to find out the hard way.

Kees.

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> Sent: 11 April, 2018 13:37
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: CFSizer site move
> 
> FYI: The CFSizer website has moved to
> http://www.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=isg3T1027062.  There are
> still a few glitches in the implementation at the new site, but we hope
> to get those ironed out over the next few days.
> 
> Bill Neiman
> Parallel Sysplex development
> IBM
> 
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