Re: FDRMOVE sample jcl

2018-03-14 Thread Cosby, Bob - OCFO 
FDRMOVE from Innovation is an OUTSTANDING product; several years ago our agency 
moved eleven (11) DASD Storage Subsystem from five (5) different MAINFRAME 
Storage Vendors IBM; EMC HITACHI; STK  and Amdahl to two IBM SHARKs with NO 
down time.
There products FDRABR as far as a customer is the BEST in the Industry and 
CHEAPER than IBM.
BTY: SUPPORT is OUTSTANDING!!

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Doesn't ADRDSSU come with SMS automatically?  Is it really a separately priced 
product?

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>
> [Default] On 5 Mar 2018 10:11:44 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main
> retired-mainfra...@q.com (retired mainframer) wrote:
>
> >Why must it be FDR?  Won't ADRDSSU do it?
>
> Probably because the original poster has the Innovation products and
> doesn't have the DSS/HSM products.

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Re: FDRMOVE sample jcl

2018-03-06 Thread Richards, Robert B. 
>From a 2015 SHARE presentation: 
>https://share.confex.com/share/124/.../17134%20-%20History%20of%20DFSMS.pdf
>It is a fun trip down memory lane.

I do remember a toleration PTF in June 1988 that prevented corruption of the 
MVS/XA 2.2 ICF catalogs when you went back from testing MVS/ESA 3.0e (it 
expanded some fields that the XA ICFCATs could not handle). Dang...almost 30 
years ago! I can't be that old, can I? Where has the time gone?  :-(

Bob

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Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2018 12:59 PM
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Subject: Re: FDRMOVE sample jcl

My recollection is that DFSMS came in as a program product for MVX/XA, 
replacing DFP and several other packages.


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PMFJI

Just about everyone who posted on this topic had portions of their reply 
somewhat in error. I might as well. :-)

If my memory serves and I do not fall into the same memory lapses as the rest 
of you... circa the first release of OS/390, IBM started rebranding everything 
under the DFP family to be known as DFSMSxxx. DF/DSS was no longer a product. 
It was to be known as DFSMSdss. IIRC, DFHSM and DFRMM stopped being their own 
products at the V2R6 level. Other former DFP products followed the same 
convention: DFSMSdfp, DFSMShsm and DFSMSrmm. Integration was the reason for the 
season, easier for IBM to support. DFSORT and ICKDSF remained viable with their 
own branding.

As previously posted, IFAPRDxx controls whether products are enabled or not, 
but I believe DFSMShsm, DFSMSdss and DFSMSrmm are shipped with every order. If 
the STATE is set to ENABLED, you can use it (and start paying for it if you 
weren't already). You do not DELETE those entries, you just set them to 
DISABLED.

Finally ADRDSSU is a PROGRAM and not a product.

As to IDP, their suite of FDR products are very good and in some cases (but not 
all) better than the IBM equivalents. Horses for courses. At the time, IBM's 
integration of the DFSMS family into the OS made OS upgrades much simpler. Plus 
IDP was late in delivering FDR 5.0 as the first SMS-capable release.

I'll stop now. SHIELDS UP!   :-)

Bob

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Of PINION, RICHARD W.
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 2:53 PM
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Subject: Re: FDRMOVE sample jcl

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, but DSS has a separate entry in 
IFAPRDxx.  I said, we're not paying for it.  But we are until we can convert 
application level backups to use FDRAPPL.  But, if what you say is true, then 
maybe applications can continue to use DSS.  I'm not the person who keeps up 
with the contracts and licensing.

PRODUCT OWNER('IBM CORP')
NAME('z/OS')
ID(5650-ZOS)
VERSION(*) RELEASE(*) MOD(*)
FEATURENAME(DFSMSDSS)
STATE(ENABLED)
PRODUCT OWNER('IBM CORP')
NAME('z/OS')
ID(5650-ZOS)
VERSION(*) RELEASE(*) MOD(*)
FEATURENAME(DFSMSHSM)
STATE(DISABLED)
PRODUCT OWNER('IBM CORP')
NAME('z/OS')
ID(5650-ZOS)
VERSION(*) RELEASE(*) MOD(*)
FEATURENAME(DFSMSRMM)
STATE(ENABLED)


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Of Carmen Vitullo
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 2:46 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: FDRMOVE sample jcl

[External Email]

HSM and RMM are other payable products/services under the DF/SMS service, but 
DF/DSS 'data set services' are not payable services or product, its part of the 
base or base + features.



Carmen Vitullo

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From: "RICHARD W. PINION" <rpin...@firsttennessee.com>
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Sent: Monday, March 5, 2018 1:34:50 PM
Subject: Re: FDRMOVE sample jcl

DF/DSS & HSM can be deleted from the list of IBM products, and thus not be 
charged for them. In our shop, we have FDR/ABR/CPK and pay for those, but we 
not do pay for DF/DSS & HSM.

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[External Email]

It BEEN a part of DPF for so many years, I don't order DFS services or ADRDSSU 
separately or get charged for these services.
I know most folks, if they get use to using FDR they'd rather use FDR for some 
functions, I know you can copy/move using ADRDSSU and once you have some good 
JCL and control cards (I us

Re: FDRMOVE sample jcl

2018-03-06 Thread Seymour J Metz 
My recollection is that DFSMS came in as a program product for MVX/XA, 
replacing DFP and several other packages.


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http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3


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Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2018 6:17 AM
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Subject: Re: FDRMOVE sample jcl

PMFJI

Just about everyone who posted on this topic had portions of their reply 
somewhat in error. I might as well. :-)

If my memory serves and I do not fall into the same memory lapses as the rest 
of you... circa the first release of OS/390, IBM started rebranding everything 
under the DFP family to be known as DFSMSxxx. DF/DSS was no longer a product. 
It was to be known as DFSMSdss. IIRC, DFHSM and DFRMM stopped being their own 
products at the V2R6 level. Other former DFP products followed the same 
convention: DFSMSdfp, DFSMShsm and DFSMSrmm. Integration was the reason for the 
season, easier for IBM to support. DFSORT and ICKDSF remained viable with their 
own branding.

As previously posted, IFAPRDxx controls whether products are enabled or not, 
but I believe DFSMShsm, DFSMSdss and DFSMSrmm are shipped with every order. If 
the STATE is set to ENABLED, you can use it (and start paying for it if you 
weren't already). You do not DELETE those entries, you just set them to 
DISABLED.

Finally ADRDSSU is a PROGRAM and not a product.

As to IDP, their suite of FDR products are very good and in some cases (but not 
all) better than the IBM equivalents. Horses for courses. At the time, IBM's 
integration of the DFSMS family into the OS made OS upgrades much simpler. Plus 
IDP was late in delivering FDR 5.0 as the first SMS-capable release.

I'll stop now. SHIELDS UP!   :-)

Bob

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Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 2:53 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: FDRMOVE sample jcl

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, but DSS has a separate entry in 
IFAPRDxx.  I said, we're not paying for it.  But we are until we can convert 
application level backups to use FDRAPPL.  But, if what you say is true, then 
maybe applications can continue to use DSS.  I'm not the person who keeps up 
with the contracts and licensing.

PRODUCT OWNER('IBM CORP')
NAME('z/OS')
ID(5650-ZOS)
VERSION(*) RELEASE(*) MOD(*)
FEATURENAME(DFSMSDSS)
STATE(ENABLED)
PRODUCT OWNER('IBM CORP')
NAME('z/OS')
ID(5650-ZOS)
VERSION(*) RELEASE(*) MOD(*)
FEATURENAME(DFSMSHSM)
STATE(DISABLED)
PRODUCT OWNER('IBM CORP')
NAME('z/OS')
ID(5650-ZOS)
VERSION(*) RELEASE(*) MOD(*)
FEATURENAME(DFSMSRMM)
STATE(ENABLED)


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Of Carmen Vitullo
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 2:46 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: FDRMOVE sample jcl

[External Email]

HSM and RMM are other payable products/services under the DF/SMS service, but 
DF/DSS 'data set services' are not payable services or product, its part of the 
base or base + features.



Carmen Vitullo

- Original Message -

From: "RICHARD W. PINION" <rpin...@firsttennessee.com>
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Sent: Monday, March 5, 2018 1:34:50 PM
Subject: Re: FDRMOVE sample jcl

DF/DSS & HSM can be deleted from the list of IBM products, and thus not be 
charged for them. In our shop, we have FDR/ABR/CPK and pay for those, but we 
not do pay for DF/DSS & HSM.

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Of Carmen Vitullo
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 2:31 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: FDRMOVE sample jcl

[External Email]

It BEEN a part of DPF for so many years, I don't order DFS services or ADRDSSU 
separately or get charged for these services.
I know most folks, if they get use to using FDR they'd rather use FDR for some 
functions, I know you can copy/move using ADRDSSU and once you have some good 
JCL and control cards (I use ISMF to create some samples) its quite easy, but 
so is FDR if you're use to it.



Carmen Vitullo

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From: "retired mainframer" <retired-mainfra...@q.com>
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Sent: Monday, March 5, 2018 1:22:12 PM
Subject: Re: FDRMOVE sample jcl

Doesn't ADRDSSU come with SMS automatically? Is it really a separately priced 
product?

> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of Clark Morris
> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 10:39 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: FDRMOVE sample jcl
>
> [Default] On 5 Mar 2018 10:11:44 -08

Re: FDRMOVE sample jcl

2018-03-06 Thread Carmen Vitullo 
AH ! yep, I stand corrected.. DFSMSdfp - no wonder I'm confused 


Carmen Vitullo 

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From: "Greg Shirey" <wgshi...@benekeith.com> 
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2018 9:14:26 AM 
Subject: Re: FDRMOVE sample jcl 

Actually, DFSMSdss appears as a line item on my monthly IBM invoice. 
I believe it is DFSMSdfp that is the base part - the "free product" as it were. 

Regards, 
Greg Shirey 
Ben E. Keith Company 

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Sent: Monday, March 5, 2018 1:46 PM 
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
Subject: Re: FDRMOVE sample jcl 

HSM and RMM are other payable products/services under the DF/SMS service, but 
DF/DSS 'data set services' are not payable services or product, its part of the 
base or base + features. 

Carmen Vitullo 



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Re: FDRMOVE sample jcl

2018-03-06 Thread Greg Shirey 
Actually, DFSMSdss appears as a line item on my monthly IBM invoice.  
I believe it is DFSMSdfp that is the base part - the "free product" as it were. 
   

Regards,
Greg Shirey
Ben E. Keith Company 

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Sent: Monday, March 5, 2018 1:46 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: FDRMOVE sample jcl

HSM and RMM are other payable products/services under the DF/SMS service, but 
DF/DSS 'data set services' are not payable services or product, its part of the 
base or base + features. 

Carmen Vitullo 



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Re: FDRMOVE sample jcl

2018-03-06 Thread Carmen Vitullo 
Ah ! the old days Bob, thanks for the walk down memory lane, I recall back in 
Boeing we were using FDR exclusively, I was prod control at the time, just 
before my move to SYSPROG and FDR compactors jobs were very time consuming, I 
questioned the SYSPROG staff at the time, why don't we just use ADRDSSU to free 
up, compact/compress volumes, you remember Paul? and so it goes, that's one 
reason why FDR tools were used over IBM's ADRDSSU. the misinformation about 
what tools/products we were licensed for, this way before IFAPRD and reporting 
monthly to IBM. 


Carmen Vitullo 

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From: "Robert B. Richards" <robert.richa...@opm.gov> 
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2018 5:17:01 AM 
Subject: Re: FDRMOVE sample jcl 

PMFJI 

Just about everyone who posted on this topic had portions of their reply 
somewhat in error. I might as well. :-) 

If my memory serves and I do not fall into the same memory lapses as the rest 
of you... circa the first release of OS/390, IBM started rebranding everything 
under the DFP family to be known as DFSMSxxx. DF/DSS was no longer a product. 
It was to be known as DFSMSdss. IIRC, DFHSM and DFRMM stopped being their own 
products at the V2R6 level. Other former DFP products followed the same 
convention: DFSMSdfp, DFSMShsm and DFSMSrmm. Integration was the reason for the 
season, easier for IBM to support. DFSORT and ICKDSF remained viable with their 
own branding. 

As previously posted, IFAPRDxx controls whether products are enabled or not, 
but I believe DFSMShsm, DFSMSdss and DFSMSrmm are shipped with every order. If 
the STATE is set to ENABLED, you can use it (and start paying for it if you 
weren't already). You do not DELETE those entries, you just set them to 
DISABLED. 

Finally ADRDSSU is a PROGRAM and not a product. 

As to IDP, their suite of FDR products are very good and in some cases (but not 
all) better than the IBM equivalents. Horses for courses. At the time, IBM's 
integration of the DFSMS family into the OS made OS upgrades much simpler. Plus 
IDP was late in delivering FDR 5.0 as the first SMS-capable release. 

I'll stop now. SHIELDS UP! :-) 

Bob 

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Of PINION, RICHARD W. 
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 2:53 PM 
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
Subject: Re: FDRMOVE sample jcl 

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, but DSS has a separate entry in 
IFAPRDxx. I said, we're not paying for it. But we are until we can convert 
application level backups to use FDRAPPL. But, if what you say is true, then 
maybe applications can continue to use DSS. I'm not the person who keeps up 
with the contracts and licensing. 

PRODUCT OWNER('IBM CORP') 
NAME('z/OS') 
ID(5650-ZOS) 
VERSION(*) RELEASE(*) MOD(*) 
FEATURENAME(DFSMSDSS) 
STATE(ENABLED) 
PRODUCT OWNER('IBM CORP') 
NAME('z/OS') 
ID(5650-ZOS) 
VERSION(*) RELEASE(*) MOD(*) 
FEATURENAME(DFSMSHSM) 
STATE(DISABLED) 
PRODUCT OWNER('IBM CORP') 
NAME('z/OS') 
ID(5650-ZOS) 
VERSION(*) RELEASE(*) MOD(*) 
FEATURENAME(DFSMSRMM) 
STATE(ENABLED) 


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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Carmen Vitullo 
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 2:46 PM 
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
Subject: Re: FDRMOVE sample jcl 

[External Email] 

HSM and RMM are other payable products/services under the DF/SMS service, but 
DF/DSS 'data set services' are not payable services or product, its part of the 
base or base + features. 



Carmen Vitullo 

- Original Message - 

From: "RICHARD W. PINION" <rpin...@firsttennessee.com> 
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
Sent: Monday, March 5, 2018 1:34:50 PM 
Subject: Re: FDRMOVE sample jcl 

DF/DSS & HSM can be deleted from the list of IBM products, and thus not be 
charged for them. In our shop, we have FDR/ABR/CPK and pay for those, but we 
not do pay for DF/DSS & HSM. 

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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Carmen Vitullo 
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 2:31 PM 
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
Subject: Re: FDRMOVE sample jcl 

[External Email] 

It BEEN a part of DPF for so many years, I don't order DFS services or ADRDSSU 
separately or get charged for these services. 
I know most folks, if they get use to using FDR they'd rather use FDR for some 
functions, I know you can copy/move using ADRDSSU and once you have some good 
JCL and control cards (I use ISMF to create some samples) its quite easy, but 
so is FDR if you're use to it. 



Carmen Vitullo 

- Original Message - 

From: "retired mainframer" <retired-mainfra...@q.com> 
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
Sent: Monday, March 5, 2018 1:22:12 PM 
Subject: Re: FDRMOVE sample jcl 

Doesn't ADRDSSU come with SMS automatically? Is it really a separately priced 
product? 

> -Original Me

Re: FDRMOVE sample jcl

2018-03-06 Thread Richards, Robert B. 
PMFJI

Just about everyone who posted on this topic had portions of their reply 
somewhat in error. I might as well. :-)

If my memory serves and I do not fall into the same memory lapses as the rest 
of you... circa the first release of OS/390, IBM started rebranding everything 
under the DFP family to be known as DFSMSxxx. DF/DSS was no longer a product. 
It was to be known as DFSMSdss. IIRC, DFHSM and DFRMM stopped being their own 
products at the V2R6 level. Other former DFP products followed the same 
convention: DFSMSdfp, DFSMShsm and DFSMSrmm. Integration was the reason for the 
season, easier for IBM to support. DFSORT and ICKDSF remained viable with their 
own branding.

As previously posted, IFAPRDxx controls whether products are enabled or not, 
but I believe DFSMShsm, DFSMSdss and DFSMSrmm are shipped with every order. If 
the STATE is set to ENABLED, you can use it (and start paying for it if you 
weren't already). You do not DELETE those entries, you just set them to 
DISABLED.

Finally ADRDSSU is a PROGRAM and not a product. 

As to IDP, their suite of FDR products are very good and in some cases (but not 
all) better than the IBM equivalents. Horses for courses. At the time, IBM's 
integration of the DFSMS family into the OS made OS upgrades much simpler. Plus 
IDP was late in delivering FDR 5.0 as the first SMS-capable release.   

I'll stop now. SHIELDS UP!   :-)

Bob 

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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of PINION, RICHARD W.
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 2:53 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: FDRMOVE sample jcl

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, but DSS has a separate entry in 
IFAPRDxx.  I said, we're not paying for it.  But we are until we can convert 
application level backups to use FDRAPPL.  But, if what you say is true, then 
maybe applications can continue to use DSS.  I'm not the person who keeps up 
with the contracts and licensing.

PRODUCT OWNER('IBM CORP')  
NAME('z/OS')   
ID(5650-ZOS)   
VERSION(*) RELEASE(*) MOD(*)   
FEATURENAME(DFSMSDSS)  
STATE(ENABLED) 
PRODUCT OWNER('IBM CORP')  
NAME('z/OS')   
ID(5650-ZOS)   
VERSION(*) RELEASE(*) MOD(*)   
FEATURENAME(DFSMSHSM)  
STATE(DISABLED)
PRODUCT OWNER('IBM CORP')  
NAME('z/OS')   
ID(5650-ZOS)   
VERSION(*) RELEASE(*) MOD(*)   
FEATURENAME(DFSMSRMM)  
STATE(ENABLED) 


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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Carmen Vitullo
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 2:46 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: FDRMOVE sample jcl

[External Email]

HSM and RMM are other payable products/services under the DF/SMS service, but 
DF/DSS 'data set services' are not payable services or product, its part of the 
base or base + features.



Carmen Vitullo

- Original Message -

From: "RICHARD W. PINION" <rpin...@firsttennessee.com>
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Sent: Monday, March 5, 2018 1:34:50 PM
Subject: Re: FDRMOVE sample jcl

DF/DSS & HSM can be deleted from the list of IBM products, and thus not be 
charged for them. In our shop, we have FDR/ABR/CPK and pay for those, but we 
not do pay for DF/DSS & HSM.

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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Carmen Vitullo
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 2:31 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: FDRMOVE sample jcl

[External Email]

It BEEN a part of DPF for so many years, I don't order DFS services or ADRDSSU 
separately or get charged for these services.
I know most folks, if they get use to using FDR they'd rather use FDR for some 
functions, I know you can copy/move using ADRDSSU and once you have some good 
JCL and control cards (I use ISMF to create some samples) its quite easy, but 
so is FDR if you're use to it.



Carmen Vitullo

- Original Message -

From: "retired mainframer" <retired-mainfra...@q.com>
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Sent: Monday, March 5, 2018 1:22:12 PM
Subject: Re: FDRMOVE sample jcl

Doesn't ADRDSSU come with SMS automatically? Is it really a separately priced 
product?

> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On 
> Behalf Of Clark Morris
> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 10:39 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: FDRMOVE sample jcl
>
> [Default] On 5 Mar 2018 10:11:44 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main 
> retired-mainfra...@q.com (retired mainframer) wrote:
>
> >Why must it be FDR? Won't A

Re: FDRMOVE sample jcl

2018-03-05 Thread Gibney, Dave 
   I run both. FDR/DSF/ABR and DF/DSS/HSM  They're both useful in their own 
way. And Innovation is reasonably priced for our size.  
   I once tried to migrate our HSM implementation to FDRABR's archive. I don't 
remember all the glitches, but it didn't handle expiration well enough and I 
think the volume level approach didn't to multi-volume stripped data well.
  On the other hand I had some very unpleasant (many years ago now) trying to 
use HSM fullvolume DUMP and run forward via incrementals in restoring. The 
reserve HSM used when DUMPing also caused problems. As I said, a long time ago. 
Might be better now. And I also have since moved my Usercatalogs to Non-SMS 
(HSM is only used for SMS) storage.
   
  On the OP, I generally use DFDSS to move individual datesets.  Mostly habit, 
as I'm sure FDR would do just as well.

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> On Behalf Of Pew, Curtis G
> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 12:09 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: FDRMOVE sample jcl
> 
> On Mar 5, 2018, at 1:55 PM, Carmen Vitullo <cvitu...@hughes.net> wrote:
> >
> > got ya, and I've never been at a site with DFSMSDSS DISABLED, bet disabling
> would be quite interesting :)
> 
> No, it’s quite boring, if you have the Innovation products. The only time I’ve
> noticed is when a vendor sent me an install that assumed I could use
> ADRDSSU. Previous installs had all used TSO TRANSMIT format, so I just got
> them to send me the new stuff that way too.
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Re: FDRMOVE sample jcl

2018-03-05 Thread Pew, Curtis G 
On Mar 5, 2018, at 1:55 PM, Carmen Vitullo  wrote:
> 
> got ya, and I've never been at a site with DFSMSDSS DISABLED, bet disabling 
> would be quite interesting :) 

No, it’s quite boring, if you have the Innovation products. The only time I’ve 
noticed is when a vendor sent me an install that assumed I could use ADRDSSU. 
Previous installs had all used TSO TRANSMIT format, so I just got them to send 
me the new stuff that way too.

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Re: FDRMOVE sample jcl

2018-03-05 Thread Carmen Vitullo 
got ya, and I've never been at a site with DFSMSDSS DISABLED, bet disabling 
would be quite interesting :) 


Carmen Vitullo 

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Subject: Re: FDRMOVE sample jcl 

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, but DSS has a separate entry in 
IFAPRDxx. I said, we're not paying for it. But we are until we can convert 
application level backups to use FDRAPPL. But, if what you say is true, then 
maybe applications can continue to use DSS. I'm not the person who keeps up 
with the contracts and licensing. 

PRODUCT OWNER('IBM CORP') 
NAME('z/OS') 
ID(5650-ZOS) 
VERSION(*) RELEASE(*) MOD(*) 
FEATURENAME(DFSMSDSS) 
STATE(ENABLED) 
PRODUCT OWNER('IBM CORP') 
NAME('z/OS') 
ID(5650-ZOS) 
VERSION(*) RELEASE(*) MOD(*) 
FEATURENAME(DFSMSHSM) 
STATE(DISABLED) 
PRODUCT OWNER('IBM CORP') 
NAME('z/OS') 
ID(5650-ZOS) 
VERSION(*) RELEASE(*) MOD(*) 
FEATURENAME(DFSMSRMM) 
STATE(ENABLED) 


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HSM and RMM are other payable products/services under the DF/SMS service, but 
DF/DSS 'data set services' are not payable services or product, its part of the 
base or base + features. 



Carmen Vitullo 

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From: "RICHARD W. PINION" <rpin...@firsttennessee.com> 
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
Sent: Monday, March 5, 2018 1:34:50 PM 
Subject: Re: FDRMOVE sample jcl 

DF/DSS & HSM can be deleted from the list of IBM products, and thus not be 
charged for them. In our shop, we have FDR/ABR/CPK and pay for those, but we 
not do pay for DF/DSS & HSM. 

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It BEEN a part of DPF for so many years, I don't order DFS services or ADRDSSU 
separately or get charged for these services. 
I know most folks, if they get use to using FDR they'd rather use FDR for some 
functions, I know you can copy/move using ADRDSSU and once you have some good 
JCL and control cards (I use ISMF to create some samples) its quite easy, but 
so is FDR if you're use to it. 



Carmen Vitullo 

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Subject: Re: FDRMOVE sample jcl 

Doesn't ADRDSSU come with SMS automatically? Is it really a separately priced 
product? 

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> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 10:39 AM 
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
> Subject: Re: FDRMOVE sample jcl 
> 
> [Default] On 5 Mar 2018 10:11:44 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main 
> retired-mainfra...@q.com (retired mainframer) wrote: 
> 
> >Why must it be FDR? Won't ADRDSSU do it? 
> 
> Probably because the original poster has the Innovation products and 
> doesn't have the DSS/HSM products. 

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Re: FDRMOVE sample jcl

2018-03-05 Thread PINION, RICHARD W. 
I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, but DSS has a separate entry in 
IFAPRDxx.  I said, we're not paying for it.  But we are until we can convert 
application level backups to use FDRAPPL.  But, if what you say is true, then 
maybe applications can continue to use DSS.  I'm not the person who keeps up 
with the contracts and licensing.

PRODUCT OWNER('IBM CORP')  
NAME('z/OS')   
ID(5650-ZOS)   
VERSION(*) RELEASE(*) MOD(*)   
FEATURENAME(DFSMSDSS)  
STATE(ENABLED) 
PRODUCT OWNER('IBM CORP')  
NAME('z/OS')   
ID(5650-ZOS)   
VERSION(*) RELEASE(*) MOD(*)   
FEATURENAME(DFSMSHSM)  
STATE(DISABLED)
PRODUCT OWNER('IBM CORP')  
NAME('z/OS')   
ID(5650-ZOS)   
VERSION(*) RELEASE(*) MOD(*)   
FEATURENAME(DFSMSRMM)  
STATE(ENABLED) 


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[External Email]

HSM and RMM are other payable products/services under the DF/SMS service, but 
DF/DSS 'data set services' are not payable services or product, its part of the 
base or base + features.



Carmen Vitullo

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From: "RICHARD W. PINION" <rpin...@firsttennessee.com>
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Sent: Monday, March 5, 2018 1:34:50 PM
Subject: Re: FDRMOVE sample jcl

DF/DSS & HSM can be deleted from the list of IBM products, and thus not be 
charged for them. In our shop, we have FDR/ABR/CPK and pay for those, but we 
not do pay for DF/DSS & HSM.

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Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 2:31 PM
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[External Email]

It BEEN a part of DPF for so many years, I don't order DFS services or ADRDSSU 
separately or get charged for these services.
I know most folks, if they get use to using FDR they'd rather use FDR for some 
functions, I know you can copy/move using ADRDSSU and once you have some good 
JCL and control cards (I use ISMF to create some samples) its quite easy, but 
so is FDR if you're use to it.



Carmen Vitullo

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Subject: Re: FDRMOVE sample jcl

Doesn't ADRDSSU come with SMS automatically? Is it really a separately priced 
product?

> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 10:39 AM
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>
> [Default] On 5 Mar 2018 10:11:44 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main 
> retired-mainfra...@q.com (retired mainframer) wrote:
>
> >Why must it be FDR? Won't ADRDSSU do it?
>
> Probably because the original poster has the Innovation products and 
> doesn't have the DSS/HSM products.

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Re: FDRMOVE sample jcl

2018-03-05 Thread Carmen Vitullo 
HSM and RMM are other payable products/services under the DF/SMS service, but 
DF/DSS 'data set services' are not payable services or product, its part of the 
base or base + 
features. 



Carmen Vitullo 

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To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
Sent: Monday, March 5, 2018 1:34:50 PM 
Subject: Re: FDRMOVE sample jcl 

DF/DSS & HSM can be deleted from the list of IBM products, and thus not be 
charged for them. In our shop, we have FDR/ABR/CPK and pay for those, but we 
not do pay for DF/DSS & HSM. 

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It BEEN a part of DPF for so many years, I don't order DFS services or ADRDSSU 
separately or get charged for these services. 
I know most folks, if they get use to using FDR they'd rather use FDR for some 
functions, I know you can copy/move using ADRDSSU and once you have some good 
JCL and control cards (I use ISMF to create some samples) its quite easy, but 
so is FDR if you're use to it. 



Carmen Vitullo 

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Subject: Re: FDRMOVE sample jcl 

Doesn't ADRDSSU come with SMS automatically? Is it really a separately priced 
product? 

> -Original Message- 
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> Behalf Of Clark Morris 
> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 10:39 AM 
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
> Subject: Re: FDRMOVE sample jcl 
> 
> [Default] On 5 Mar 2018 10:11:44 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main 
> retired-mainfra...@q.com (retired mainframer) wrote: 
> 
> >Why must it be FDR? Won't ADRDSSU do it? 
> 
> Probably because the original poster has the Innovation products and 
> doesn't have the DSS/HSM products. 

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Re: FDRMOVE sample jcl

2018-03-05 Thread PINION, RICHARD W. 
DF/DSS & HSM can be deleted from the list of IBM products, and thus not be 
charged for them.  In our shop, we have FDR/ABR/CPK and pay for those, but we 
not do pay for DF/DSS & HSM.

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It BEEN a part of DPF for so many years, I don't order DFS services or ADRDSSU 
separately or get charged for these services.
I know most folks, if they get use to using FDR they'd rather use FDR for some 
functions, I know you can copy/move using ADRDSSU and once you have some good 
JCL and control cards (I use ISMF to create some samples) its quite easy, but 
so is FDR if you're use to it.



Carmen Vitullo

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Subject: Re: FDRMOVE sample jcl

Doesn't ADRDSSU come with SMS automatically? Is it really a separately priced 
product?

> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 10:39 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: FDRMOVE sample jcl
>
> [Default] On 5 Mar 2018 10:11:44 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main 
> retired-mainfra...@q.com (retired mainframer) wrote:
>
> >Why must it be FDR? Won't ADRDSSU do it?
>
> Probably because the original poster has the Innovation products and 
> doesn't have the DSS/HSM products.

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Re: FDRMOVE sample jcl

2018-03-05 Thread Steve Beaver 
ADRDSSU is part of DF/DSS

FDR/PAS and FDR/Move are priced by terra byes you move

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Doesn't ADRDSSU come with SMS automatically?  Is it really a separately
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> [Default] On 5 Mar 2018 10:11:44 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main 
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> >Why must it be FDR?  Won't ADRDSSU do it?
> 
> Probably because the original poster has the Innovation products and 
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Re: FDRMOVE sample jcl

2018-03-05 Thread Carmen Vitullo 
It BEEN a part of DPF for so many years, I don't order DFS services or ADRDSSU 
separately or get charged for these services. 
I know most folks, if they get use to using FDR they'd rather use FDR for some 
functions, I know you can copy/move using ADRDSSU and once you have some good 
JCL and control cards (I use ISMF to create some samples) its quite easy, but 
so is FDR if you're use to it. 



Carmen Vitullo 

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Subject: Re: FDRMOVE sample jcl 

Doesn't ADRDSSU come with SMS automatically? Is it really a separately 
priced product? 

> -Original Message- 
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> Of Clark Morris 
> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 10:39 AM 
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
> Subject: Re: FDRMOVE sample jcl 
> 
> [Default] On 5 Mar 2018 10:11:44 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main 
> retired-mainfra...@q.com (retired mainframer) wrote: 
> 
> >Why must it be FDR? Won't ADRDSSU do it? 
> 
> Probably because the original poster has the Innovation products and 
> doesn't have the DSS/HSM products. 

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Re: FDRMOVE sample jcl

2018-03-05 Thread retired mainframer 
Doesn't ADRDSSU come with SMS automatically?  Is it really a separately
priced product?

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> 
> [Default] On 5 Mar 2018 10:11:44 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main
> retired-mainfra...@q.com (retired mainframer) wrote:
> 
> >Why must it be FDR?  Won't ADRDSSU do it?
> 
> Probably because the original poster has the Innovation products and
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Re: FDRMOVE sample jcl

2018-03-05 Thread Clark Morris 
[Default] On 5 Mar 2018 10:11:44 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main
retired-mainfra...@q.com (retired mainframer) wrote:

>Why must it be FDR?  Won't ADRDSSU do it?

Probably because the original poster has the Innovation products and
doesn't have the DSS/HSM products.

Clark Morris 
>
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>> Of Jake Anderson
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>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>> Subject: FDRMOVE sample jcl
>> 
>> Hi
>> 
>> Does anyone have a sample JCL which does move a group of datasets from one
>> SMS class to another SMS class ? Does it takes care of VSAM dataset ?
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Re: FDRMOVE sample jcl

2018-03-05 Thread Lizette Koehler 
I think with DFSMS DFDSS you need to use NULL SMS coding then let your SMS 
routines place it in the right places.

I think FDR may be more user friendly

And for DATACLAS, you need to Delete/ALLOC the file to get it



Lizette


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> Why must it be FDR?  Won't ADRDSSU do it?
> 
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> > Hi
> >
> > Does anyone have a sample JCL which does move a group of datasets from
> > one SMS class to another SMS class ? Does it takes care of VSAM dataset ?
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2018-03-05 Thread retired mainframer 
Why must it be FDR?  Won't ADRDSSU do it?

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> 
> Hi
> 
> Does anyone have a sample JCL which does move a group of datasets from one
> SMS class to another SMS class ? Does it takes care of VSAM dataset ?

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Re: FDRMOVE sample jcl

2018-03-05 Thread Carmen Vitullo 
this is some very old FDR move control cards 





//STEP1 EXEC PGM=FDRCOPY,REGION=5M 
//SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=* 

//SYSIN DD * 
MOVE TYPE=DSF,MULTF=130,BYPASSACS 
SELECT DSG=DSE019,STORCLAS=SCBNE,MGMTCLAS=MCBNE 




this may be what you're looking for - some tweaking would be needed. 




Carmen Vitullo 

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Subject: FDRMOVE sample jcl 

Hi 

Does anyone have a sample JCL which does move a group of datasets from one 
SMS class to another SMS class ? Does it takes care of VSAM dataset ? 

Jake 

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