Re: IBM GRS Monitor report

2017-11-22 Thread Gibney, Dave 
You only get to update such volumes from one system. 

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> 
> There is no safe way to do this with the use of *RESERVE* (or CA-MIM).
> 
> This is the source of you VTOC errors, etc.
> 
> USE RNLDEF RNL(EXCL) for relevant QNAME, RNAME, and Volume.
> Suggested Queues are SYSVTOC, SYSZVVDS as a minimum.
> 
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> 
> Yes
> 
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> Are you sharing the volume across sysplex boundaries?
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> On Behalf Of PINION, RICHARD W.
> Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 9:30 AM
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> Subject: IBM GRS Monitor report
> 
> We ran IBM's GRS Monitor batch reports and noticed something in one of
> the reports.  Notice the second entry, it has a x'004D'.  The reason this is
> interesting to us is because we are sharing this particular volume between
> two systems.  The second system is not in the GRS Star configuration of the
> first system.
> 
> We are using RESERVES to protect the integrity of the resources.  And this
> particular volume has encountered errors, i.e. VTOC entries but no SMS NVR
> records.  And yes, this volume is in a SMS SG which is defined to the two
> systems.
> 
> ** RESOURCES USAGE REPORT **
> 
>  
>  ** MAJOR  SYSZVVDS **
>  -
>   COUNT   MAJOR
> 
>  8260SYSZVVDSSCOPE=RESERVE 
> SMFID=DEVA
> 
> 
>  RNL (ML)   COUNT MAJOR MINOR
> 
>  006   0032  SYSZVVDS TS0007
>  008   0004  SYSZVVDS TS0007 (
> FIRST TENNESSEE
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Re: IBM GRS Monitor report

2017-11-22 Thread Allan Staller 
There is no safe way to do this with the use of *RESERVE* (or CA-MIM).

This is the source of you VTOC errors, etc.

USE RNLDEF RNL(EXCL) for relevant QNAME, RNAME, and Volume. 
Suggested Queues are SYSVTOC, SYSZVVDS as a minimum.

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Yes

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Are you sharing the volume across sysplex boundaries?

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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of PINION, RICHARD W.
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 9:30 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: IBM GRS Monitor report

We ran IBM's GRS Monitor batch reports and noticed something in one of the 
reports.  Notice the second entry, it has a x'004D'.  The reason this is 
interesting to us is because we are sharing this particular volume between two 
systems.  The second system is not in the GRS Star configuration of the first 
system.

We are using RESERVES to protect the integrity of the resources.  And this 
particular volume has encountered errors, i.e. VTOC entries but no SMS NVR 
records.  And yes, this volume is in a SMS SG which is defined to the two 
systems.

** RESOURCES USAGE REPORT **

 
 ** MAJOR  SYSZVVDS **
 -
  COUNT   MAJOR

 8260SYSZVVDSSCOPE=RESERVE 
SMFID=DEVA


 RNL (ML)   COUNT MAJOR MINOR

 006   0032  SYSZVVDS TS0007
 008   0004  SYSZVVDS TS0007 (
FIRST TENNESSEE

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Re: IBM GRS Monitor report

2017-11-22 Thread PINION, RICHARD W. 
Yes

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Of Allan Staller
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Are you sharing the volume across sysplex boundaries?

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Of PINION, RICHARD W.
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 9:30 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: IBM GRS Monitor report

We ran IBM's GRS Monitor batch reports and noticed something in one of the 
reports.  Notice the second entry, it has a x'004D'.  The reason this is 
interesting to us is because we are sharing this particular volume between two 
systems.  The second system is not in the GRS Star configuration of the first 
system.

We are using RESERVES to protect the integrity of the resources.  And this 
particular volume has encountered errors, i.e. VTOC entries but no SMS NVR 
records.  And yes, this volume is in a SMS SG which is defined to the two 
systems.

** RESOURCES USAGE REPORT **

 
 ** MAJOR  SYSZVVDS **
 -
  COUNT   MAJOR

 8260SYSZVVDSSCOPE=RESERVE 
SMFID=DEVA


 RNL (ML)   COUNT MAJOR MINOR

 006   0032  SYSZVVDS TS0007
 008   0004  SYSZVVDS TS0007 (
FIRST TENNESSEE

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Re: IBM GRS Monitor report

2017-11-22 Thread Allan Staller 
Are you sharing the volume across sysplex boundaries?

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Of PINION, RICHARD W.
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 9:30 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: IBM GRS Monitor report

We ran IBM's GRS Monitor batch reports and noticed something in one
of the reports.  Notice the second entry, it has a x'004D'.  The reason this
is interesting to us is because we are sharing this particular volume between
two systems.  The second system is not in the GRS Star configuration of the
first system.

We are using RESERVES to protect the integrity of the resources.  And this
particular volume has encountered errors, i.e. VTOC entries but no SMS NVR
records.  And yes, this volume is in a SMS SG which is defined to the two
systems.

** RESOURCES USAGE REPORT **

 
 ** MAJOR  SYSZVVDS **
 -
  COUNT   MAJOR

 8260SYSZVVDSSCOPE=RESERVE 
SMFID=DEVA


 RNL (ML)   COUNT MAJOR MINOR

 006   0032  SYSZVVDS TS0007
 008   0004  SYSZVVDS TS0007 (
FIRST TENNESSEE

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Re: IBM GRS Monitor report

2017-11-22 Thread Carmen Vitullo 
some products or utilities will reserve the volume but if you are not in the 
same MIM PLEX or GRS, I think you're taking a big chance, I'll assume this 
volume is not a critical, or I'd hope a non critical volume and does not 
contain any PDS/E's or PDS/E sharing is turned off for that system . 
if the SMS environment is always the same, this volume is in the same storage 
pool name and the SMS configuration is kept identical should be OK, I've done 
it, don't like it but sometime you have to. 
I'D really be careful not putting anything that NEEDS to be shared , catalogs , 
loadlibs (PDS/E) TMC, or control datasets that are needed for both system on 
this volume, but I'll assume its not if its SMS managed. 
in a perfect world all system should be in the same plex and GRS=STAR, if not 
don't share datasets/volumes, but working for an outsourcer some clients LPARS 
did not want to play in the PLEX but there was a need to share some volumes, on 
this system we turned off PDSE sharing and used MIM to manage resources. 




Carmen 




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Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 9:44:42 AM 
Subject: Re: IBM GRS Monitor report 

It's a long story. But yes we are doing this. The ACDS, COMMDS, and SCDS are 
not shared. The second system's ACDS and SCDS were derived from the first 
system's ACDS and SCDS. It was our thinking, perhaps we are wrong, that 
hardware reserves would protect the integrity of the volume. Using 
IBM's GRS Monitor, we can see that SYSZVVDS, SYSIGGV2, and SYSVTOC 
have a scope of reserve. 

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Of Carmen Vitullo 
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 10:36 AM 
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
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I must not have had enough coffee, you said you share an SMS managed volume 
between two systems but they are no in the same plex? 
is the SMS ACDS and SCDS shared? 
how do you manage to use RESERVES to manage this volume if not in a GRS 
environment? MIM? 




Carmen 


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From: "RICHARD W. PINION" <rpin...@firsttennessee.com> 
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 9:30:10 AM 
Subject: IBM GRS Monitor report 

We ran IBM's GRS Monitor batch reports and noticed something in one of the 
reports. Notice the second entry, it has a x'004D'. The reason this is 
interesting to us is because we are sharing this particular volume between two 
systems. The second system is not in the GRS Star configuration of the first 
system. 

We are using RESERVES to protect the integrity of the resources. And this 
particular volume has encountered errors, i.e. VTOC entries but no SMS NVR 
records. And yes, this volume is in a SMS SG which is defined to the two 
systems. 

** RESOURCES USAGE REPORT ** 

 
** MAJOR SYSZVVDS ** 
- 
COUNT MAJOR 

8260 SYSZVVDS SCOPE=RESERVE SMFID=DEVA 


RNL (ML) COUNT MAJOR MINOR 

006 0032 SYSZVVDS TS0007 
008 0004 SYSZVVDS TS0007 ( 
FIRST TENNESSEE 

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Re: IBM GRS Monitor report

2017-11-22 Thread PINION, RICHARD W. 
It's a long story.  But yes we are doing this.  The ACDS, COMMDS, and SCDS are 
not shared.  The second system's ACDS and SCDS were derived from the first 
system's ACDS and SCDS.  It was our thinking, perhaps we are wrong, that 
hardware reserves would protect the integrity of the volume.   Using 
IBM's GRS Monitor, we can see that SYSZVVDS, SYSIGGV2, and SYSVTOC
have a scope of reserve.  

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Carmen Vitullo
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 10:36 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM GRS Monitor report

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I must not have had enough coffee, you said you share an SMS managed volume 
between two systems but they are no in the same plex?
is the SMS ACDS and SCDS shared?
how do you manage to use RESERVES to manage this volume if not in a GRS 
environment? MIM?




Carmen


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From: "RICHARD W. PINION" <rpin...@firsttennessee.com>
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 9:30:10 AM
Subject: IBM GRS Monitor report

We ran IBM's GRS Monitor batch reports and noticed something in one of the 
reports. Notice the second entry, it has a x'004D'. The reason this is 
interesting to us is because we are sharing this particular volume between two 
systems. The second system is not in the GRS Star configuration of the first 
system.

We are using RESERVES to protect the integrity of the resources. And this 
particular volume has encountered errors, i.e. VTOC entries but no SMS NVR 
records. And yes, this volume is in a SMS SG which is defined to the two 
systems.

** RESOURCES USAGE REPORT **


** MAJOR SYSZVVDS **
-
COUNT MAJOR

8260 SYSZVVDS SCOPE=RESERVE SMFID=DEVA


RNL (ML) COUNT MAJOR MINOR

006 0032 SYSZVVDS TS0007
008 0004 SYSZVVDS TS0007 (
FIRST TENNESSEE

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Re: IBM GRS Monitor report

2017-11-22 Thread Carmen Vitullo 
I must not have had enough coffee, you said you share an SMS managed volume 
between two systems but they are no in the same plex? 
is the SMS ACDS and SCDS shared? 
how do you manage to use RESERVES to manage this volume if not in a GRS 
environment? MIM? 




Carmen 


- Original Message -

From: "RICHARD W. PINION"  
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 9:30:10 AM 
Subject: IBM GRS Monitor report 

We ran IBM's GRS Monitor batch reports and noticed something in one 
of the reports. Notice the second entry, it has a x'004D'. The reason this 
is interesting to us is because we are sharing this particular volume between 
two systems. The second system is not in the GRS Star configuration of the 
first system. 

We are using RESERVES to protect the integrity of the resources. And this 
particular volume has encountered errors, i.e. VTOC entries but no SMS NVR 
records. And yes, this volume is in a SMS SG which is defined to the two 
systems. 

** RESOURCES USAGE REPORT ** 

 
** MAJOR SYSZVVDS ** 
- 
COUNT MAJOR 

8260 SYSZVVDS SCOPE=RESERVE SMFID=DEVA 


RNL (ML) COUNT MAJOR MINOR 

006 0032 SYSZVVDS TS0007 
008 0004 SYSZVVDS TS0007 ( 
FIRST TENNESSEE 

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