Re: ISPF development question

[Jesse 1 Robinson]

Getting in to TEST mode has been discussed. The easiest way is going to Option 
7. That turns TEST most on without requiring you exit/re-enter ISPF. In TEST 
mode, ISPF elements are reread from DASD on each call. This is not very 
efficient for ordinary usage but greatly facilitates dialog development. So how 
do you return to 'normal' processing? In Option 0 ISPF Settings, you have these 
options:

Enter "/" to select option   
   Command line at bottom
   Panel display CUA mode
   Long message in pop-up
   Tab to action bar choices 
   Tab to point-and-shoot fields 
   Restore TEST/TRACE options
   Session Manager mode  
   Jump from leader dots 
   Edit PRINTDS Command  
   Always show split line
   Enable EURO sign

The item Restore TEST/TRACE options controls what happens after you're done 
(for now) with dialog testing. If this item is selected, exiting Option 7 puts 
you back in normal mode, whereby elements are read only once and retained in 
memory. If you leave this item blank, TEST mode persists until you exit ISPF.   
   

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Yes, there is. Run in TEST mode.

https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.2.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r2.f54dg00/testmod.htm


On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 1:14 AM Gadi Ben-Avi  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I was told to develop an ISPF application.
> It's been a long time since I did this, so I'm having some issues.
>
> Whenever I change a panel definition, I have to logoff and logon for 
> the updated definition to show.
> Is there a way to have ISPF use the updated definition without logging 
> off and on.
>
> Thanks
>
> Gadi

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Re: ISPF development question

[Edward Finnell]

That was my argument three decades ago. There was a tuning tip that even tho 
there was no Class the directory would be loaded and that was enough of an edge 
to make it happen. With today's DASD it might be superfluous.  

In a message dated 7/31/2020 10:47:20 AM Central Standard Time, 
pinnc...@rochester.rr.com writes:
How can you put Messages and Panels in VLF?  There's no class for ISPF 
to read them.

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Re: ISPF development question

[Tom Conley]

On 7/30/2020 1:09 PM, Edward Finnell wrote:

I think there might might be a knuckle-ball in VLF. Since ESA we put ISPF 
Messages and Panels in VLF with Freeze. To get updated panels have to modify 
VLF to UNFREEZE and then reFREEZE to get the new directory loaded.


Edward,

How can you put Messages and Panels in VLF?  There's no class for ISPF 
to read them.


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Re: ISPF development question

[Edward Finnell]

I think there might might be a knuckle-ball in VLF. Since ESA we put ISPF 
Messages and Panels in VLF with Freeze. To get updated panels have to modify 
VLF to UNFREEZE and then reFREEZE to get the new directory loaded. 

In a message dated 7/30/2020 5:44:44 AM Central Standard Time, 
jn.ls.mfrm...@letterboxes.org writes:
I remember doing that too.

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Re: ISPF development question

[John McKown]

Yes, there is. Run in TEST mode.

https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.2.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r2.f54dg00/testmod.htm


On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 1:14 AM Gadi Ben-Avi  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I was told to develop an ISPF application.
> It's been a long time since I did this, so I'm having some issues.
>
> Whenever I change a panel definition, I have to logoff and logon for the
> updated definition to show.
> Is there a way to have ISPF use the updated definition without logging off
> and on.
>
> Thanks
>
> Gadi
>
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Re: ISPF development question

[Itschak Mugzach]

Bob,

As I wrote to Gadi, if you enter ISPF with TEST operand, all panels will be
fetched from the dataset, not from storage copy. see below:

In TEST mode, ISPF operates differently from normal mode in these ways:

   - Panel and message definitions are fetched again from the panel and
   message files when a panel name or message ID is specified in an ISPF
   service. In normal mode, the most recently accessed panel definitions are
   retained in virtual storage. If you have modified the panel or message
   file, use of TEST mode ensures that the latest version of each panel or
   message is accessed during a test run.

   Using an editor to modify a panel, message, or skeleton can result in an
   additional DASD extent being required for the associated data set. DASD
   rarely (if ever) gains new extents as the result of the execution of
   software (with the possible exception of DASD formatting software). It can
   also be caused by link-editing a module. When a new extent is allocated,
   you can access the modification only by first terminating and then invoking
   ISPF again.

ITschak

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On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 3:25 PM Bob Bridges  wrote:

> This is WAD.  ISPF normally keeps a copy of each panel as it reads it, and
> uses that copy the next time it's invoked, I suppose to save time.  There's
> supposed to be an option you can invoke, when you're developing panels,
> that'll read the member afresh each time it's needed, but I never got
> around
> to learning it.  You don't have to log off all the way, just exit ISPF and
> go back in, which is what I normally do.  That is, go back to the READY
> prompt, then type ISPF from there to return to the PDF menu.  Still a pain,
> but not nearly as much of one.
>
> There are shops that automatically log a user off upon exiting ISPF, so you
> never see the READY prompt.  If you're at one of those installations, you
> can probably get someone to modify the logon proc to add you to the list of
> exceptions (there are always exceptions, sysprogs at the very least) so
> that
> you won't be logged off as you leave ISPF.  That requires one extra LOGOFF
> command to leave TSO, but I'm an old user and prefer having the option.
>
> If I wrote in ISPF more often, no doubt I'd finally force myself to learn
> about that method of reloading the panel every time.
>
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> Behalf Of Gadi Ben-Avi
> Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 02:14
>
> I was told to develop an ISPF application.
> It's been a long time since I did this, so I'm having some issues.
>
> Whenever I change a panel definition, I have to logoff and logon for the
> updated definition to show.
> Is there a way to have ISPF use the updated definition without logging off
> and on.
>
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Re: ISPF development question

[Bob Bridges]

This is WAD.  ISPF normally keeps a copy of each panel as it reads it, and
uses that copy the next time it's invoked, I suppose to save time.  There's
supposed to be an option you can invoke, when you're developing panels,
that'll read the member afresh each time it's needed, but I never got around
to learning it.  You don't have to log off all the way, just exit ISPF and
go back in, which is what I normally do.  That is, go back to the READY
prompt, then type ISPF from there to return to the PDF menu.  Still a pain,
but not nearly as much of one.

There are shops that automatically log a user off upon exiting ISPF, so you
never see the READY prompt.  If you're at one of those installations, you
can probably get someone to modify the logon proc to add you to the list of
exceptions (there are always exceptions, sysprogs at the very least) so that
you won't be logged off as you leave ISPF.  That requires one extra LOGOFF
command to leave TSO, but I'm an old user and prefer having the option.

If I wrote in ISPF more often, no doubt I'd finally force myself to learn
about that method of reloading the panel every time.

---
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Behalf Of Gadi Ben-Avi
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 02:14

I was told to develop an ISPF application.
It's been a long time since I did this, so I'm having some issues.

Whenever I change a panel definition, I have to logoff and logon for the
updated definition to show.
Is there a way to have ISPF use the updated definition without logging off
and on.

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Re: ISPF development question

[Jeremy Nicoll]

On Thu, 30 Jul 2020, at 09:59, Rupert Reynolds wrote:
> Back in the old daze, simply entering option 7 once (and then exiting) was
> enough to make panels re-load each time they were updated for the rest of
> that session.

I remember doing that too.  

But if the panels (etc) are a standalone application (ie not replacement 
versions
of standard ispf panels) then in the exec that started the application I'd 
LIBDEF
the application's own panel, message, skels etc PDSes.  That meant that every 
time I started the test application it picked up the most recent versions of 
all 
of the definitions.

I also remember that, if the application was simple (with only a handful of 
panels etc) that I didn't use separate panel, msg, skeleton (etc) PDSes but 
instead just a single one.  I named the panels P, skeletons Sx, msg
files M etc, then in the application startup exec I allocated the PDS and
issued all the necessary LIBDEF commands with LIBRARY(ddname), which - 
only needing one PDS to be allocated (by me, not LIBDEF itself) presumably 
speeded things up.

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Re: ISPF development question

[Rupert Reynolds]

Back in the old daze, simply entering option 7 once (and then exiting) was
enough to make panels re-load each time they were updated for the rest of
that session.

Roops

On Thu, 30 Jul 2020 at 07:49, Itschak Mugzach <
0305158ad67d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

> PDF is an alias of ISPF. you can use ISPF TEST just to load ISPF again.
>
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> On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 9:44 AM Gadi Ben-Avi  wrote:
>
> > Did you mean PDF TEST?
> >
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> >
> > Gadi,
> >
> > During development, once you logged-on, exit ISPF to TSO and enter PFG
> > TEST. the TEST operand will cause ISPF to read the panel definition from
> > the dataset every time you reference it.
> >
> > ITschak
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 9:14 AM Gadi Ben-Avi  wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I was told to develop an ISPF application.
> > > It's been a long time since I did this, so I'm having some issues.
> > >
> > > Whenever I change a panel definition, I have to logoff and logon for
> > > the updated definition to show.
> > > Is there a way to have ISPF use the updated definition without logging
> > > off and on.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Gadi
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Re: ISPF development question

[Itschak Mugzach]

PDF is an alias of ISPF. you can use ISPF TEST just to load ISPF again.

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On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 9:44 AM Gadi Ben-Avi  wrote:

> Did you mean PDF TEST?
>
> -Original Message-
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> Of Itschak Mugzach
> Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 9:38 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: ISPF development question
>
> Gadi,
>
> During development, once you logged-on, exit ISPF to TSO and enter PFG
> TEST. the TEST operand will cause ISPF to read the panel definition from
> the dataset every time you reference it.
>
> ITschak
>
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>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 9:14 AM Gadi Ben-Avi  wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I was told to develop an ISPF application.
> > It's been a long time since I did this, so I'm having some issues.
> >
> > Whenever I change a panel definition, I have to logoff and logon for
> > the updated definition to show.
> > Is there a way to have ISPF use the updated definition without logging
> > off and on.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Gadi
> >
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Re: ISPF development question

[Gadi Ben-Avi]

Did you mean PDF TEST?

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Gadi,

During development, once you logged-on, exit ISPF to TSO and enter PFG TEST. 
the TEST operand will cause ISPF to read the panel definition from the dataset 
every time you reference it.

ITschak

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On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 9:14 AM Gadi Ben-Avi  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I was told to develop an ISPF application.
> It's been a long time since I did this, so I'm having some issues.
>
> Whenever I change a panel definition, I have to logoff and logon for 
> the updated definition to show.
> Is there a way to have ISPF use the updated definition without logging 
> off and on.
>
> Thanks
>
> Gadi
>
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Re: ISPF development question

[Itschak Mugzach]

Gadi,

During development, once you logged-on, exit ISPF to TSO and enter PFG
TEST. the TEST operand will cause ISPF to read the panel definition from
the dataset every time you reference it.

ITschak

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On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 9:14 AM Gadi Ben-Avi  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I was told to develop an ISPF application.
> It's been a long time since I did this, so I'm having some issues.
>
> Whenever I change a panel definition, I have to logoff and logon for the
> updated definition to show.
> Is there a way to have ISPF use the updated definition without logging off
> and on.
>
> Thanks
>
> Gadi
>
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Re: ISPF development question

[Massimo Biancucci]

If the panel library is available directly to your logon proc, you can use
ISPF 7.2 to refresh panel to its latest release.

Best regards.
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Il giorno gio 30 lug 2020 alle ore 08:14 Gadi Ben-Avi  ha
scritto:

> Hi,
>
> I was told to develop an ISPF application.
> It's been a long time since I did this, so I'm having some issues.
>
> Whenever I change a panel definition, I have to logoff and logon for the
> updated definition to show.
> Is there a way to have ISPF use the updated definition without logging off
> and on.
>
> Thanks
>
> Gadi
>
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