Re: Looking for New Function APARs across the entire z/OS platform?
Hello Gil, What's eligible? Well, anything *could* be eligible :). What will actually make it through as a continuous delivery function? I can't really say as it depends on a lot of things. What is certain, if anyone really needs or wants a function, the best way is always to get an RFE in, or comment on an existing RFE. SHARE "top" lists (which are a list of hot RFEs) are also an excellent way to contribute. On a personal note: I've found several things I've personally needed and wanted in z/OSMF Workflows. Those items *have* been selected as continuous delivery functions. -Marna WALLE z/OS Installation, IBM Poughkeepsie -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Looking for New Function APARs across the entire z/OS platform?
Hi Ronald, I, too, had a problem several months ago. I believe what I ended up doing was deleting my current subscription and creating a new one. Everything since I did that seems to be fine. I did try to find out what was wrong, and there was a glitch somewhere in the process, and it was corrected. Nevertheless, I still deleted and re-created my subscription. If you still are seeing a problem today, let me know and I'll find the same people I used before. -Marna WALLE z/OS Installation, IBM Poughkeepsie -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Looking for New Function APARs across the entire z/OS platform?
I have a question about the first option. As I recall when you first mentioned this back in 2013 (?), I setup this New Function subscription. I believe it was an email every day/week about closed New Functions. This stopped working around last year september for me and disappointed as I was, I opened a case via the IBM-portal. After 2 months of back and forth emailing with support, they still had no idea I was talking about this specific New Function e-mail notifications. So I eventually dropped the case. Are they still suppose to be seperate e-mails about closed new functions? Kind Regard, Ronald Kristel Rabobank > Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2016 10:50:22 -0400 > From: robert.richa...@opm.gov > Subject: Re: Looking for New Function APARs across the entire z/OS platform? > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Marna, > > Turned out to be a firewall issue which has now been resolved. > > Thank you for the very useful link. > > Bob > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of Marna WALLE > Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 12:51 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Looking for New Function APARs across the entire z/OS platform? > > Hi Bob, > Two people here have tried with these browsers, and we were able to get to > all 3 files: IE 11, FF ESR 45.4.0, Chrome 53.0.2785.143 m, and Safari. > If you want to send me more details, I can forward to one of the web groups > to see if they can identify the problem. This new page and files were > modeled after the Enhanced HOLDDATA page and files. > > -Marna WALLE > z/OS System Installation, IBM Poughkeepsie > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to > lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Looking for New Function APARs across the entire z/OS platform?
Marna, Turned out to be a firewall issue which has now been resolved. Thank you for the very useful link. Bob -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Marna WALLE Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 12:51 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Looking for New Function APARs across the entire z/OS platform? Hi Bob, Two people here have tried with these browsers, and we were able to get to all 3 files: IE 11, FF ESR 45.4.0, Chrome 53.0.2785.143 m, and Safari. If you want to send me more details, I can forward to one of the web groups to see if they can identify the problem. This new page and files were modeled after the Enhanced HOLDDATA page and files. -Marna WALLE z/OS System Installation, IBM Poughkeepsie -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Looking for New Function APARs across the entire z/OS platform?
On Tue, 18 Oct 2016 15:51:39 -0500, Marna WALLE wrote: > >With IBM using continuous delivery across the entire z/OS platform and in many >cases introducing new functions within the service stream, there are now two >ways to quickly learn about those APARs (aka SPEs): > With the two-year release cycle, the latency for some FIN APARs can be uncomfortably long. Is there a policy shift which might make APARs for which FIN is suggested now be eligible for the "continuous delivery" stream? Might RFEs likewise find their way into continuous delivery? Thanks, gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Looking for New Function APARs across the entire z/OS platform?
Marna, Thanks for the offer, but let me pursue my end first. I did not succeed with FF, IE or Chrome. Bob -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Marna WALLE Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 12:51 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Looking for New Function APARs across the entire z/OS platform? Hi Bob, Two people here have tried with these browsers, and we were able to get to all 3 files: IE 11, FF ESR 45.4.0, Chrome 53.0.2785.143 m, and Safari. If you want to send me more details, I can forward to one of the web groups to see if they can identify the problem. This new page and files were modeled after the Enhanced HOLDDATA page and files. -Marna WALLE z/OS System Installation, IBM Poughkeepsie -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Looking for New Function APARs across the entire z/OS platform?
Hi Bob, Two people here have tried with these browsers, and we were able to get to all 3 files: IE 11, FF ESR 45.4.0, Chrome 53.0.2785.143 m, and Safari. If you want to send me more details, I can forward to one of the web groups to see if they can identify the problem. This new page and files were modeled after the Enhanced HOLDDATA page and files. -Marna WALLE z/OS System Installation, IBM Poughkeepsie -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Looking for New Function APARs across the entire z/OS platform?
I *was* using Firefox :-( -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Farley, Peter x23353 Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 10:30 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Looking for New Function APARs across the entire z/OS platform? Try Firefox. With IE11 it doesn't respond for me either, but Firefox gets it. Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Richards, Robert B. Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 9:59 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Looking for New Function APARs across the entire z/OS platform? Marna, This link never responds back: New function APARs for the past 12 months (HTML) Bob -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Marna WALLE Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 4:52 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Looking for New Function APARs across the entire z/OS platform? Hello IBM-MAINers, With IBM using continuous delivery across the entire z/OS platform and in many cases introducing new functions within the service stream, there are now two ways to quickly learn about those APARs (aka SPEs): 1) Subscribe to receive notification of those APARs right after the APAR closes, via email or subscription list. See WSC Techdoc http://www-03.ibm.com/support/techdocs/atsmastr.nsf/WebIndex/PRS5188 for information on how to do this. 2) Refer to the website for a "history" of closed APARs, available in HTML ad CSV formats. See http://www.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zos/installation/zosnfapars.html . There are details on this website on what is included in this "history". Of course, you still will want to watch for product announcements, but these two ways are nice in that you can see New Function APARs in a consolidated manner. We are hoping that these two methods will help you find new functions in a helpful way. If you have any comments about this, please respond here, or email me if you prefer. -- This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Looking for New Function APARs across the entire z/OS platform?
Try Firefox. With IE11 it doesn't respond for me either, but Firefox gets it. Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Richards, Robert B. Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 9:59 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Looking for New Function APARs across the entire z/OS platform? Marna, This link never responds back: New function APARs for the past 12 months (HTML) Bob -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Marna WALLE Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 4:52 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Looking for New Function APARs across the entire z/OS platform? Hello IBM-MAINers, With IBM using continuous delivery across the entire z/OS platform and in many cases introducing new functions within the service stream, there are now two ways to quickly learn about those APARs (aka SPEs): 1) Subscribe to receive notification of those APARs right after the APAR closes, via email or subscription list. See WSC Techdoc http://www-03.ibm.com/support/techdocs/atsmastr.nsf/WebIndex/PRS5188 for information on how to do this. 2) Refer to the website for a "history" of closed APARs, available in HTML ad CSV formats. See http://www.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zos/installation/zosnfapars.html . There are details on this website on what is included in this "history". Of course, you still will want to watch for product announcements, but these two ways are nice in that you can see New Function APARs in a consolidated manner. We are hoping that these two methods will help you find new functions in a helpful way. If you have any comments about this, please respond here, or email me if you prefer. -- This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Looking for New Function APARs across the entire z/OS platform?
Marna, This link never responds back: New function APARs for the past 12 months (HTML) Bob -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Marna WALLE Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 4:52 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Looking for New Function APARs across the entire z/OS platform? Hello IBM-MAINers, With IBM using continuous delivery across the entire z/OS platform and in many cases introducing new functions within the service stream, there are now two ways to quickly learn about those APARs (aka SPEs): 1) Subscribe to receive notification of those APARs right after the APAR closes, via email or subscription list. See WSC Techdoc http://www-03.ibm.com/support/techdocs/atsmastr.nsf/WebIndex/PRS5188 for information on how to do this. 2) Refer to the website for a "history" of closed APARs, available in HTML ad CSV formats. See http://www.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zos/installation/zosnfapars.html . There are details on this website on what is included in this "history". Of course, you still will want to watch for product announcements, but these two ways are nice in that you can see New Function APARs in a consolidated manner. We are hoping that these two methods will help you find new functions in a helpful way. If you have any comments about this, please respond here, or email me if you prefer. -Marna WALLE z/OS System Installation, IBM Poughkeepsie -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Looking for New Function APARs across the entire z/OS platform?
Bill, Let me explain this in a different way, which is how you might be affected by it... You might be seeing more New Function APARs (which Ed explained, is what many know as Small Programming Enhancements, or SPEs) in the service stream across the entire z/OS platform from many IBM products that are still in development. (This is because we are using newer development methods.) If you wish to find a consolidated list of those New Function APARs, there are two ways to do that: the subscription and the website. These "new" New Function APARs are really no different that the "old" New Function APARs, but you might just notice that there are more of them. Also, you might notice that something you had a requirement for could be coming in a product's service stream and not necessarily wait until that product has a new release level. For that reason, you might want to know what new functions in PTFs there are out there. "Service Delivery" means PTFs (++PTF). "Release Delivery" means a new VRM (++FUNCTION). These are terms that are important to understand, as it impacts how (and when) you get new functions. -Marna WALLE z/OS Installation, IBM Poughkeepsie -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Looking for New Function APARs across the entire z/OS platform?
On 10/18/2016 5:09 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: A conscientious vendor will try when practical to craft later corrective service so as not to depend on recent SPEs. Haha! Good luck with that! If the same part (source program) is involved, you really have only one practical choice: code your fix on top of the program known to be in error and hope they resolve their issues soon. Coding your fix on top of an earlier, working version of the program would require its PTF to have an NPRE() to ensure the SPE PTF is restored before the new fix can be applied. In this case, the eventual fix for the broken SPE will need to supersede both PTFs. I haven't seen this done in the last couple of decades at least, but it is technically possible. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA 90245 http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Looking for New Function APARs across the entire z/OS platform?
On Tue, 18 Oct 2016 14:18:57 -0700, Ed Jaffe wrote: > >SPE = Small Programming Enhancement. > >In the old days SPEs were considered evil because "small" really means >"large" (when compared with a typical PTF). Therefore, the chances of >the SYSMOD going PE were orders of magnitude greater than a typical PTF. > They may be called "small" in order to allow bypassing some process requirements, whether the supplier's or the customer's. >PE implies HOLD(ERROR), which prevents later service from being applied. > That applies only to later service that depends on the PE/SPE. A conscientious vendor will try when practical to craft later corrective service so as not to depend on recent SPEs. And the PTF that resolves a PE may depend on the PE PTF, particularly when the PE PTF is large and a small corrective PTF is sufficient. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Looking for New Function APARs across the entire z/OS platform?
You generally have the option to delay installing an SPE for some time if you don't want the new function. As Ed said, because an SPE is actually 'big', there's more chance for PEs to crop up than for individual narrower-scope PTFs. But eventually you pretty much have to install an SPE because some other maintenance will PRE or COREQ it. Unless you install the SPE, you will accumulate an ever growing chain of PTFs, some maybe HIPER even though not directly related to the new SPE function. By that time, however, most of the egregious bugs in the SPE should have fixes available as well. While there is no 'free' lunch, there are seemingly free lunches that you have to pay for later. . . J.O.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company Electric Dragon Team Paddler SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 323-715-0595 Mobile 626-302-7535 Office robin...@sce.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Bill Woodger Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 2:51 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: (External):Re: Looking for New Function APARs across the entire z/OS platform? Thanks Ed, that helps. So a typical "old style" PTF for DFSORT, which added several new functions to the product would have been an SPE, either by name or by fact. And, even with the OS on a two-year release cycle, new functions (for anything) can be provided (delivered) at any point (continuously) without having to wait for X months for the new release. That's good. It'll keep many contributors here busy, even if IBM doesn't manage the "update every 11.6 seconds" of Amazon :-) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Looking for New Function APARs across the entire z/OS platform?
Thanks Ed, that helps. So a typical "old style" PTF for DFSORT, which added several new functions to the product would have been an SPE, either by name or by fact. And, even with the OS on a two-year release cycle, new functions (for anything) can be provided (delivered) at any point (continuously) without having to wait for X months for the new release. That's good. It'll keep many contributors here busy, even if IBM doesn't manage the "update every 11.6 seconds" of Amazon :-) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Looking for New Function APARs across the entire z/OS platform?
On 10/18/2016 2:10 PM, Bill Woodger wrote: What is SPE? I'm sorry if I appear naive on that, but search-engineing comes up with "IBM Standards Processing Engine" which probably isn't what your SPE means. SPE = Small Programming Enhancement. In the old days SPEs were considered evil because "small" really means "large" (when compared with a typical PTF). Therefore, the chances of the SYSMOD going PE were orders of magnitude greater than a typical PTF. PE implies HOLD(ERROR), which prevents later service from being applied. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA 90245 http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Looking for New Function APARs across the entire z/OS platform?
That sounds good, but "continuous delivery", beyond fashion-speak, means specifically what? DFSORT used to provide new functionality through PTFs. Does it mean that, and at a faster pace and in smaller units, or something, specifically, different? And whatever it is, is it across all products (as in "OS" and "applications" IBM provides), within certain products/areas, something else? Is it an "emerging concept, we've just started running with it, and we'll see where it takes us, so can't exactly answer" or something more "planned"? I'm not trying to be negative, but until your use of "continuous delivery" is known, it can mean anything, so means nothing. Currently it is one of those phrases I just "cross out" when encountering it, without it detracting from information content. "Service delivery" is another. What is SPE? I'm sorry if I appear naive on that, but search-engineing comes up with "IBM Standards Processing Engine" which probably isn't what your SPE means. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
