Re: OpenStack (and the 2013 Master the Mainframe Contest)

2013-10-07 Thread zMan
Phew, sorry, I missed that you were being sarcastic too. I really should
have checked -- I remember thinking Wow, I didn't expect that from HIM!
-- which should have been a clue!


On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 10:03 PM, David Crayford dcrayf...@gmail.com wrote:

 I was being sarcastic Timothy! I thought that was obvious but in future I
 will remember to use a smiley or use sarcasm tags.

 I do know a thing or two about open source on z/OS.

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Re: Openstack

2013-10-06 Thread David Crayford

On 6/10/2013 2:56 PM, Shane Ginnane wrote:

Interesting that VMWare don't see Openstack as an option (competitor) for the 
enterprise, despite them also investing in it.
quote


VMware invest in rockstar developers and do very well from it. GoPivitol 
must be the biggest startup in history.


The word is that OpenStack is years behind similar technology used by 
the likes of Amazon, Rackspace, Google. But it's probably cutting on for 
system Z.



“Where is OpenStack, we believe, going to be adopted?” Gelsinger said. “We don’t see 
it having great success coming into the enterprise

Might depend on their (and IBMs) definition of enterprise.

Shane ...

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Re: Openstack

2013-10-06 Thread Shane Ginnane
On Sun, 6 Oct 2013 15:04:44 +0800, David Crayford wrote:

The word is that OpenStack is years behind similar technology used by
the likes of Amazon, Rackspace, Google.

I dropped in on VMWorld on the way back from Share - bit of an eye-opener from 
(at least) an attendance perspective.
VMWare mouthed all the politically correct things re Openstack APIs in vSphere, 
but I got the impression they were basically just covering bases.

Shane ...

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Re: Openstack

2013-10-06 Thread David Crayford

On 6/10/2013 3:30 PM, Shane Ginnane wrote:

On Sun, 6 Oct 2013 15:04:44 +0800, David Crayford wrote:


The word is that OpenStack is years behind similar technology used by
the likes of Amazon, Rackspace, Google.

I dropped in on VMWorld on the way back from Share - bit of an eye-opener from 
(at least) an attendance perspective.
VMWare mouthed all the politically correct things re Openstack APIs in vSphere, 
but I got the impression they were basically just covering bases.


Now that's a surprise considering they've just formed a multi-billion 
dollar competitor which is the biggest start-up in history. GoPivitol is 
hot to trott and will surely make a dent

in a what is shaping up to be a very competitive market.


Shane ...

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Re: Openstack

2013-10-06 Thread Mark Post
 On 10/6/2013 at 03:04 AM, David Crayford dcrayf...@gmail.com wrote: 
 The word is that OpenStack is years behind similar technology used by 
 the likes of Amazon, Rackspace, Google.

You might want to leave Rackspace out of this list, since they and NASA are the 
two original creators of OpenStack.


Mark Post

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Re: OpenStack (and the 2013 Master the Mainframe Contest)

2013-10-06 Thread David Crayford
I was being sarcastic Timothy! I thought that was obvious but in future 
I will remember to use a smiley or use sarcasm tags.


I do know a thing or two about open source on z/OS.

On 7/10/2013 9:34 AM, Timothy Sipples wrote:

David Crayford opines:

I can't see OpenStack ever taking off on the mainframe. It's open source
software written in the Python programming language. Who on earth is
going to risk their job using something like that?

Linux is extremely highly successful open source software, and so is the
Apache HTTP Server (which IBM offers in commercially supported form as the
IBM HTTP Server for z/OS, as an example). Everybody who has WebSphere
Application Server, including WebSphere Application Server for z/OS, also
has IBM's commercially supported implementation of Jython (Python for Java)
which is geared toward scripting administrative tasks (deployments,
configurations, etc.) Which...sounds a lot like what OpenStack does.

Lots of people risk their job(s) using something like that, every day,
already, right now. What's the problem?


Timothy Sipples
GMU VCT Architect Executive (Based in Singapore)
E-Mail: sipp...@sg.ibm.com
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