Re: PARM='GRAPHICS(CHAIN(SN))'

2023-10-05 Thread Phil Smith III
For the record, while I was the one who used it, I did NOT know about it-a 
colleague did. I am only an egg when it comes to z/OS stuff. Just in case 
someone was wondering-which I know you weren't, but I didn't want to get credit 
where it wasn't due.


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Re: PARM='GRAPHICS(CHAIN(SN))'

2023-10-05 Thread Seymour J Metz
> o If it's generally needed, why isn't it an option on DD SYSOUT?

Because the damage is already done. What is needed is for the utilities to stop 
checking for invalid characters. After that happens you can worry about SYSOUT 
filtering.


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In a recent post, I saw:
//TESTDIR  EXEC PGM=IDCAMS,PARM='GRAPHICS(CHAIN(SN))'

o Why is PARM='GRAPHICS(CHAIN(SN))' still a thing?

o Cui bono?

o In this 21st Century, why isn't the default the identity translation?

o If it needs to ba thing, why doesn't every utility support it?

o If it's generally needed, why isn't it an option on DD SYSOUT?

(I was dismayed the first time I used IDCAMS and my comments vanished.)

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Re: PARM='GRAPHICS(CHAIN(SN))'

2023-10-05 Thread Farley, Peter
It is still “a thing” because IDCAMS PRINT was programmed to print the 
character side of the record ”DUMP” option using the most restrictive printed 
character set available at that time on actual printer devices (likely based on 
the 1403N1 48-character print chain most used for the fastest “business” report 
printing).

Personally, I always use 'GRAPHICS(CHAIN(TN))’ rather than “SN” because that 
print chain had the most available printed characters.  IIRC the “SN” chain 
lacked the EBCDIC super-script and sub-script characters that “TN” had, and 
perhaps a few others as well.

If you reported this to IBM I strongly suspect you would get WAD as the 
response.

Peter

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Paul Gilmartin
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Subject: PARM='GRAPHICS(CHAIN(SN))'


In a recent post, I saw:

//TESTDIR  EXEC PGM=IDCAMS,PARM='GRAPHICS(CHAIN(SN))'



o Why is PARM='GRAPHICS(CHAIN(SN))' still a thing?



o Cui bono?



o In this 21st Century, why isn't the default the identity translation?



o If it needs to ba thing, why doesn't every utility support it?



o If it's generally needed, why isn't it an option on DD SYSOUT?



(I was dismayed the first time I used IDCAMS and my comments vanished.)



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Re: PARM='GRAPHICS(CHAIN(SN))'

2023-10-05 Thread Mike Schwab
Somebody was trying to print a pdf with box characters and NO codepages matched.

On Thu, Oct 5, 2023 at 11:20 AM Paul Gilmartin
<042bfe9c879d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
>
> In a recent post, I saw:
> //TESTDIR  EXEC PGM=IDCAMS,PARM='GRAPHICS(CHAIN(SN))'
>
> o Why is PARM='GRAPHICS(CHAIN(SN))' still a thing?
>
> o Cui bono?
>
> o In this 21st Century, why isn't the default the identity translation?
>
> o If it needs to ba thing, why doesn't every utility support it?
>
> o If it's generally needed, why isn't it an option on DD SYSOUT?
>
> (I was dismayed the first time I used IDCAMS and my comments vanished.)
>
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