AW: Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages.

2016-10-21 Thread Peter Hunkeler
>Lizette, >You said you suppressed IGD1010I. Are you sure you got it in syslog without >suppressing it? > >Kees. I just posted the initial message for the new thread. Therein, I say that I have found a case of IGD103I and IGD104I in syslog (without the IEF196I prefix). So I'm pretty sure

Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages.

2016-10-21 Thread Peter Hunkeler
>A message is produced or not based on MPF list, Automation Tools, or a user >exit. The Vendors (IBM and BMC) should be able to help you determine why this >is going on. I do not know about automation's posibilities, but MPF does *not* suppress messages from the syslog/operlog. The SUP=YES

Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages.

2016-10-21 Thread Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM
Subject: Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages. >They are among the messages that (seem to) never appear in SYSLOG/OPERLOG, >only in the job's Allocation messages file. IGD101I is not trappable via SLIP >or MPFLST. They seem to be (like the IGD messages produces by the ACS routine

Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages.

2016-10-21 Thread Peter Hunkeler
>They are among the messages that (seem to) never appear in SYSLOG/OPERLOG, >only in the job's Allocation messages file. IGD101I is not trappable via SLIP >or MPFLST. They seem to be (like the IGD messages produces by the ACS routines >WRITE statements) directly written to the job sysout.

Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages.

2016-10-20 Thread J R
this level. === From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> on behalf of Peter Hunkeler <p...@gmx.ch> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 4:16 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: AW: Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages. >Dynalloc's S99MSGL0 i

Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages.

2016-10-20 Thread Edward Gould
Peter: I haven’t worked with DMS lately. Having said that I vaguely remember DMS doing its own thing with DASD (i.e. creating a F4 DSCB and deb etc etc etc). Ed > On Oct 20, 2016, at 3:12 PM, Peter Hunkeler wrote: > > > > >> That might be a good point: different flows through

Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages.

2016-10-20 Thread Greg Shirey
age- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Peter Hunkeler Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 3:13 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: AW: Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages. All new allocations are seen by SMS's ACS routines. If they dec

Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages.

2016-10-20 Thread Greg Shirey
Of Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 2:51 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages. Greg, If you request to bypass SMS, no IGD101I can be expected. Can you create an example where things are left to SMS when possible? Kees

AW: Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages.

2016-10-20 Thread Peter Hunkeler
>Dynalloc's S99MSGL0 is the equivalent of JCL's MSGLEVEL=0, ie. the allocation >of datasets to ddnames. Not equivalent, I would say. MSGLEVEL is for the whole job, S99MSGL0 is for a single allocation. -- Peter Hunkeler

AW: Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages.

2016-10-20 Thread Peter Hunkeler
>That might be a good point: different flows through the program that set >different S99MSGLO flags. and it has nothing to do with "bypassing SMS". All new allocations are seen by SMS's ACS routines. If they decide to assign a Storage Class to the data set, then the data set is "SMS

Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages.

2016-10-20 Thread J R
Dynalloc's S99MSGL0 is the equivalent of JCL's MSGLEVEL=0, ie. the allocation of datasets to ddnames. Messages describing the details of actually creating new datasets on DASD are related to DADSM. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 20, 2016, at 15:18, Peter Hunkeler wrote: > >

Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages.

2016-10-20 Thread Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM
@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages. >"So, it is DMS or FDR which decide whether to place those IGD* messages or >not." > -- Peter Hunkeler >To be precise: >It is DMS or FDR which decide to allocate the dataset via SMS or not, thereby

Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages.

2016-10-20 Thread Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM
, 2016 5:19 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages. Here is a job which produced a new SMS-managed data set without generating an IGD101I message: //DPC088X JOB 111,NOTIFY=DPC088,CLASS=A,MSGLEVEL=(1,1) //STEP01 EXEC PGM=ADRDSSU,REGION=0M

Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages.

2016-10-20 Thread Peter Hunkeler
>"So, it is DMS or FDR which decide whether to place those IGD* messages or >not." > -- Peter Hunkeler >To be precise: >It is DMS or FDR which decide to allocate the dataset via SMS or not, thereby >causing the IGD message to appear or not. PMFJI, I do not know but I seriously wonder if it

Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages.

2016-10-20 Thread Greg Shirey
- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 8:53 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages. "So, it is DMS or FDR which decide whether to place

Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages.

2016-10-20 Thread Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM
ssion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Elardus Engelbrecht Sent: 20 October, 2016 15:49 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages. Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM wrote: >We found the answer. Excellent! >IGD101I is used by Control-M for t

Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages.

2016-10-20 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM wrote: >We found the answer. Excellent! >IGD101I is used by Control-M for the 'disp=catalog' rule of dataset triggering. >IGD104I is used by Control-M for the 'disp=keep' rule of dataset triggering. >In the case of the DMS step IGD104I is always produced, so we

Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages.

2016-10-20 Thread Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM
Hi all, We found the answer. Apparently IGD101I is produced when SMS creates and catalogues a dataset and Control-M relies on this message to detect dataset creation/cataloguing. But there appear to be other methods to create and catalog SMS managed datasets. As we already discovered, a

Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages.

2016-10-19 Thread Longabaugh, Robert E
Koehler Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 9:26 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages. In my case we have automation suppressing the messages. However, I will see them occasionally when it is preceded by an IEF196I message IEF196I IGD101I Our

Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages.

2016-10-19 Thread Lizette Koehler
sage- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of Elardus Engelbrecht > Sent: 19 October, 2016 12:44 > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages. > > Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM wrote: >

Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages.

2016-10-19 Thread Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM
] On Behalf Of Elardus Engelbrecht Sent: 19 October, 2016 12:44 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages. Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM wrote: >Well, the situation is becoming more and more curious: - I checked 400 runs of the job in the last year and IGD1

Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages.

2016-10-19 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM wrote: >Well, the situation is becoming more and more curious: - I checked 400 runs of the job in the last year and IGD101I appears in 2/3 of the jobs and does not appear in 1/3 of the jobs, without an indication of why Ok, try this temporary workaround: In

Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages.

2016-10-19 Thread Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM
] On Behalf Of Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM Sent: 19 October, 2016 8:18 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages. Bob, I could not find any difference between the steps with and without IGD101I. The JCL is the same, the output dataset cannot exist because

Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages.

2016-10-19 Thread Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM
-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages. I would suggest asking CA about the DMS step not generating the IGD101I message. (DMS has a "hook" in SMS, doesn't it?) Regards, Greg Shirey Ben E. Keith Company -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe

Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages.

2016-10-18 Thread Longabaugh, Robert E
o:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Lizette Koehler Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 8:46 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages. One I see BMC has asked for doc. I would definitely do that. Two, I concur with Tom Conley, Most scheduling software will prov

Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages.

2016-10-18 Thread Greg Shirey
ehler Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 8:46 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages. One I see BMC has asked for doc. I would definitely do that. Two, I concur with Tom Conley, Most scheduling software will provide an SMF Exit in order to see whe

Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages.

2016-10-18 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM wrote: >Two: IGD101I seems to be among those messages that are only/directly sent to >the job's allocation message file and never make it to the Syslog/Operlog and >are never seen by SLIP, MPFLST and other automation tools that scan the >subsystem interface for

Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages.

2016-10-18 Thread Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM
Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Lizette Koehler Sent: 18 October, 2016 15:46 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages. One I see BMC has asked for doc. I would definitely do that. Two, I concur with Tom Conley, Most scheduling

Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages.

2016-10-18 Thread Lizette Koehler
UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM > Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 6:36 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages. > > We verified that the problem exists for at least a couple of months. > Kees. > > -

Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages.

2016-10-18 Thread Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM
> Sent: 18 October, 2016 15:32 > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages. > > Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM wrote: > > >Via a DMS COPY step. Always. Can't find any suppression, nor do I specify > route of desc codes for IBM's

Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages.

2016-10-18 Thread Lucas Rosalen
ctober, 2016 15:32 > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages. > > Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM wrote: > > >Via a DMS COPY step. Always. Can't find any suppression, nor do I specify > route of desc codes for IBM's IGD messages. >

Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages.

2016-10-18 Thread Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM
disappearing IGD101I messages. Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM wrote: >Via a DMS COPY step. Always. Can't find any suppression, nor do I specify >route of desc codes for IBM's IGD messages. >They are among the messages that (seem to) never appear in SYSLOG/OPERLOG, >only in the job's Allocat

Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages.

2016-10-18 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM wrote: >Via a DMS COPY step. Always. Can't find any suppression, nor do I specify >route of desc codes for IBM's IGD messages. >They are among the messages that (seem to) never appear in SYSLOG/OPERLOG, >only in the job's Allocation messages file. IGD101I is not

Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages.

2016-10-18 Thread Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM
:09 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages. Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM wrote: >I would circumvent the problems (if I can get BMC to redesign their way of >working), but still the question remains, why the message sometimes disappear. Question

Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages.

2016-10-18 Thread Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM
@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages. Hi Kees, Are there any allocation messages issued? The MSGLEVEL parameter controls whether allocation messages are issued to the JESYSMSG sysout. Make sure it is (1,1) in all executions. Otherwise, please open a ticket with BMC

Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages.

2016-10-18 Thread Oren, Yifat
15:56 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages. I would circumvent the problems (if I can get BMC to redesign their way of working), but still the question remains, why the message sometimes disappear. Kees. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe

Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages.

2016-10-18 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM wrote: >I would circumvent the problems (if I can get BMC to redesign their way of >working), but still the question remains, why the message sometimes disappear. Question - how are they allocated? Via JCL DD statements or via dynalloc? Is SMS *always* used in

Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages.

2016-10-18 Thread Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM
October, 2016 14:53 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages. On 10/18/2016 5:04 AM, Vernooij, Kees - KLM , ITOPT1 wrote: > Hello, > > Control-M uses message IGD101I for dataset triggering: when a data set has > been created, as indicated by IGD101I

Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages.

2016-10-18 Thread Tom Conley
On 10/18/2016 5:04 AM, Vernooij, Kees - KLM , ITOPT1 wrote: Hello, Control-M uses message IGD101I for dataset triggering: when a data set has been created, as indicated by IGD101I, a job must be triggered. We see every now and then that the triggering is not working, because IGD101I is not

Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages.

2016-10-18 Thread Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM
@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages. kees, are you sure that the expected dataset that shoud be reported by IGD101I is allocated new? ITschak Mugzach Z/OS, ISV Products and Application Security & Risk Assessments Professional On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 2:39 PM, Vernooij,

Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages.

2016-10-18 Thread Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM
@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Greg Shirey Sent: 18 October, 2016 14:25 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages. Kees, How are you verifying the data set was created? Regards, Greg Shirey Ben E. Keith Company -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe

Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages.

2016-10-18 Thread Itschak Mugzach
13:31 > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages. > > Are all allocations are SMS managed? May be SMS is not involved in some of > the allocations, or the dataset was not allocated as new in some cases. > > ITschak > > ITsc

Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages.

2016-10-18 Thread Greg Shirey
@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages. No, everything is equal in all jobs (from what I could check), except the appearance of the message. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access

Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages.

2016-10-18 Thread Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM
Subject: Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages. Are all allocations are SMS managed? May be SMS is not involved in some of the allocations, or the dataset was not allocated as new in some cases. ITschak ITschak Mugzach Z/OS, ISV Products and Application Security & Risk Assessments Professi

Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages.

2016-10-18 Thread Itschak Mugzach
ype of messages? > > Kees. > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of Elardus Engelbrecht > Sent: 18 October, 2016 12:32 > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages. >

Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages.

2016-10-18 Thread Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM
[mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Elardus Engelbrecht Sent: 18 October, 2016 12:32 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages. Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM wrote: >Everything is equal, no errors, only IGD101I is sometimes missing and we h

Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages.

2016-10-18 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM wrote: >Everything is equal, no errors, only IGD101I is sometimes missing and we have >no idea why. Ok, where is that message displayed? Joblog or Syslog or where? What is the Route and Descriptor code where you expect the message to be shown? Perhaps you should

Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages.

2016-10-18 Thread Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM
: Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages. Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM wrote: >Control-M uses message IGD101I for dataset triggering: when a data set has >been created, as indicated by IGD101I, a job must be triggered. Isn't that Control-O which scans the SYSLOG? Or am I missing som

Re: Randomly disappearing IGD101I messages.

2016-10-18 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM wrote: >Control-M uses message IGD101I for dataset triggering: when a data set has >been created, as indicated by IGD101I, a job must be triggered. Isn't that Control-O which scans the SYSLOG? Or am I missing something in your setup? >We see every now and then