Re: Splitting the DATA and INDEX Components of Extended Addressing Dataset

2012-06-20 Thread Darth Keller
One way it's possible is to use a storage class with the Guaruntee'd Space 
attribute and specify different volumes for the Data  Index.  Of course, 
you have to understand what storage group SMS is going to assign the 
dataset to and chose volumes within that storage group.  I ran a test here 
 it worked fine.

I do believe, although I didn't check the manual, that both the data  
index have to be allocated within the same storage group.

HTH's
ddk



 Addressing Dataset
 
 I'm hoping that someone can help me out here...
 
 Is there a way through the ACS routines to allocate the DATA 
 component on
 one disk volume and the INDEX on another and are you willing 
 to share the
 code or knowledge?
 
 Thanks in Advance!



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Re: Splitting the DATA and INDEX Components of Extended Addressing Dataset

2012-06-20 Thread Joel C. Ewing
There used to be a legitimate performance reason for doing this 20 years 
ago when accesses to the index alone on a hot VSAM file could saturate a 
single real 3380/3390 drive.  With today's emulated DASD, DASD Subsystem 
cache several orders of magnitude larger, multiple PAV accesses to a 
logical drive, and faster physical drives, all the motivations for doing 
this in the past have essentially vanished.  Even if DASD subsystems 
with PAV support might cost more, it is still cheaper than personnel 
costs associated with micro-managing DASD file placement (and the 
additional performance costs when that micro-management is done less 
than perfectly).

Joel C Ewing

On 06/20/2012 11:12 AM, O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C] wrote:

George,

It might help to know what you're trying to accomplish by doing this.

Given the size of today's disks, there is no guarantee that placing the Data 
and Index on separate Logical volumes will in turn place them on separate 
physical volumes.

Regards,
Dave O'Brien

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I'm hoping that someone can help me out here...

Is there a way through the ACS routines to allocate the DATA component on one 
disk volume and the INDEX on another and are you willing to share the code or 
knowledge?

Thanks in Advance!
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Re: Splitting the DATA and INDEX Components of Extended Addressing Dataset

2012-06-20 Thread George Rodriguez
Please! I appreciate everyone's input on this problem...

To answer why... This is a very high I/O file with delays. Mainline, the
company assisting with the performance study, suggested splitting the DATA
and INDEX component.

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On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Baraniecki, Ray 
ray.baranie...@morganstanleysmithbarney.com wrote:

 John;



 At Morgan Stanley we split the index and data all the time. We are
 outsourced to IBM Global Services and it is their ACS routines that do
 this. On the DEFINE control statements in the INDEX component the VOLUME
 parameter looks like VOL=(I * * * * *) where the I is a pseudo volser and
 the * are secondary volsers. On the DATA component we specify VOLUME=(D *
 * * * *) where the D is also a pseudo volser and the * are secondary
 volsers.



 I will contact IBM to obtain the details if you like. Please let me know.



 Thanks;





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  Subject: Splitting the DATA and INDEX Components of Extended

  Addressing Dataset

 

  I'm hoping that someone can help me out here...

 

  Is there a way through the ACS routines to allocate the DATA

  component on

  one disk volume and the INDEX on another and are you willing

  to share the

  code or knowledge?

 

  Thanks in Advance!



 Interesting question. My gut feel is that you can't do this. But I do
 wonder what would happen if the STORGRUP ACS routine mapped the different
 components of a VSAM cluster into different storage groups, which would put
 them on different volumes. I do know that the components must reside in the
 same STORAGE CLASS. And that the STORGRUP ACS routine is not forced to map
 a given STORCLAS to a single STORGRUP.



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