Re: Who do you trust? trivia
On Feb 2, 2020, at 1:18 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote: > > "Whom should provide the certificate?" is not "corrected", it's *wrong*. Which is why he said “hyper-corrected.” “Linguistic hypercorrection occurs when a real or imagined grammatical rule is applied in an inappropriate context, so that an attempt to be "correct" leads to an incorrect result.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypercorrection -- Pew, Curtis G curtis@austin.utexas.edu -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Who do you trust? trivia
On Sun, 2 Feb 2020 19:18:28 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >"Whom should provide the certificate?" is not "corrected", it's *wrong*. > Yes, wrong, but "hyper-corrected" in the sense of faux erudition, like: "... with Shmuel and I ..." "octopi" ... > >From: Jesse 1 Robinson >Sent: Friday, January 31, 2020 6:19 PM > >This construction does not bother me nearly as much s the hyper-corrected >inverse: Whom should provide the certificate? Ugh. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Who do you trust? trivia
My memory of 1950's TV shows was heavily influenced by the scandals. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Chris Hoelscher Sent: Friday, January 31, 2020 4:54 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Who do you trust? trivia Trivia: Who do you trust was an American game show primarily from 1957 -> 1962, hosted by Johnny Carson and his announced Ed McMahon - it was on the basis of his exposure in this endeavor that he was hired to replace Jack Paar on The tonight Show Thank You, Chris Hoelscher| Lead Database Administrator | IBM Global Technical Services| T 502.476.2538 or 502.407.7266 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Gord Tomlin Sent: Friday, January 31, 2020 10:57 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] Who do you trust? (What CA's do you trust?) On 2020-01-30 18:06, Charles Mills wrote: > Who do you trust? What CERTAUTH certificates do you have installed and > trusted? > > > > I am contemplating purchasing an FTP server certificate for z/OS > client FTP access. I'd like to know which CA's are most likely to > already be installed in customers' CERTAUTH keyrings. > > > > IBM used to ship certificates for VeriSign, Thawte, Integrion, > Entrust, Equifax and ICP. Are those still popularly-trusted CAs? > > > > What about Comodo? They are the largest CA. What about GoDaddy? What > about Let's Encrypt, the no-charge CA? > > > > There's been a lot of consolidation. Equifax is GeoTrust is VeriSign. > Thawte and Symantec are now DigiCert. FWIW, from Mozilla: "Most browsers, not just Firefox, do not trust certificates by GeoTrust, RapidSSL, Symantec, Thawte, and VeriSign because these certificate authorities failed to follow security practices in the past." https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsupport.mozilla.org%2Fen-US%2Fkb%2Fwhat-does-your-connection-is-not-secure-meandata=02%7C01%7Cchoelscher%40humana.com%7C242db786a7504ba14cd308d7a666453c%7C56c62bbe85984b859e511ca753fa50f2%7C1%7C0%7C637160830484293588sdata=00dMNUxvGtb5pZlc%2BFjPjN%2Bkbdamrz9sZdJIOkRgTcQ%3Dreserved=0 -- Regards, Gord Tomlin Action Software International (a division of Mazda Computer Corporation) Tel: (905) 470-7113, Fax: (905) 470-6507 Support: https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Factionsoftware.com%2Fsupport%2Fdata=02%7C01%7Cchoelscher%40humana.com%7C242db786a7504ba14cd308d7a666453c%7C56c62bbe85984b859e511ca753fa50f2%7C1%7C0%7C637160830484303579sdata=WpGwGGjwknswpjBfoPWd%2FAhVr0VeCBCRaFcWQ4SWvBo%3Dreserved=0 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain CONFIDENTIAL material. If you receive this material/information in error, please contact the sender and delete or destroy the material/information. Humana Inc. and its subsidiaries comply with applicable Federal civil rights laws and do not discriminate on the basis of race, color, national origin, age, disability, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, or religion. Humana Inc. and its subsidiaries do not exclude people or treat them differently because of race, color, national origin, age, disability, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, or religion. English: ATTENTION: If you do not speak English, language assistance services, free of charge, are available to you. Call 1‐877‐320‐1235 (TTY: 711). Español (Spanish): ATENCIÓN: Si habla español, tiene a su disposición servicios gratuitos de asistencia lingüística. Llame al 1‐877‐320‐1235 (TTY: 711). 繁體中文(Chinese)：注意：如果您使用繁體中文，您可以免費獲得語言援助 服務。請致電 1‐877‐320‐1235 (TTY: 711)。 Kreyòl Ayisyen (Haitian Creole): ATANSION: Si w pale Kreyòl Ayisyen, gen sèvis èd pou lang ki disponib gratis pou ou. Rele 1‐877‐320‐1235 (TTY: 711). Polski (Polish): UWAGA: Jeżeli mówisz po polsku, możesz skorzystać z bezpłatnej pomocy językowej. Zadzwoń pod numer 1‐877‐320‐1235 (TTY: 711). 한국어 (Korean): 주의: 한국어를 사용하시는 경우, 언어 지원 서비스를 무료로 이용하실 수 있습니다. 1‐877‐320‐1235 (TTY: 711)번으로 전화해 주십시오. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Who do you trust? trivia
"Whom should provide the certificate?" is not "corrected", it's *wrong*. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Jesse 1 Robinson Sent: Friday, January 31, 2020 6:19 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Who do you trust? trivia This construction does not bother me nearly as much as the hyper-corrected inverse: Whom should provide the certificate? Ugh. . . J.O.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company Electric Dragon Team Paddler SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 323-715-0595 Mobile 626-543-6132 Office ⇐=== NEW robin...@sce.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: Friday, January 31, 2020 2:52 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: (External):Re: Who do you trust? trivia CAUTION EXTERNAL EMAIL The allusion was intentional. Someone wrote me offline to criticize the use of who rather than whom. I responded that I doubted Bo Diddley would have had a hit with "Whom Do You Love"? In his case, I believe there may also have been an allusion to "hoo-doo." Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Chris Hoelscher Sent: Friday, January 31, 2020 1:54 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Who do you trust? trivia Trivia: Who do you trust was an American game show primarily from 1957 -> 1962, hosted by Johnny Carson and his announced Ed McMahon - it was on the basis of his exposure in this endeavor that he was hired to replace Jack Paar on The tonight Show -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Who do you trust? trivia
On Fri, 31 Jan 2020 21:54:00 +, Chris Hoelscher wrote: >Trivia: Who do you trust was an American game show primarily from 1957 -> >1962, hosted by Johnny Carson and his announced Ed McMahon - it was on the >basis of his exposure in this endeavor that he was hired to replace Jack Paar >on The tonight Show > Originally hosted by Edgar Bergen and titled "Do You Trust Your Wife?" until July, 1958. The name was changed less for anticipatory feminism than to accommodate a change in format. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Do_You_Trust%3F -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Who do you trust? trivia
https://quoteinvestigator.com/2012/07/04/churchill-preposition/ Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of David Spiegel Sent: Saturday, February 1, 2020 4:25 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Who do you trust? trivia Hi Skip, Here is a "famous" quote attributed to Sir Winston Churchill: This is the type of arrant pedantry up with which I will not put. Please see: https://brians.wsu.edu/2016/11/14/churchill-on-prepositions/ Regards, David On 2020-01-31 18:19, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote: > This construction does not bother me nearly as much as the hyper-corrected > inverse: Whom should provide the certificate? Ugh. > > . > . > J.O.Skip Robinson > Southern California Edison Company > Electric Dragon Team Paddler > SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager > 323-715-0595 Mobile > 626-543-6132 Office ⇐=== NEW > robin...@sce.com > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of > Charles Mills > Sent: Friday, January 31, 2020 2:52 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: (External):Re: Who do you trust? trivia > > CAUTION EXTERNAL EMAIL > > The allusion was intentional. > > Someone wrote me offline to criticize the use of who rather than whom. I > responded that I doubted Bo Diddley would have had a hit with "Whom Do You > Love"? In his case, I believe there may also have been an allusion to > "hoo-doo." > > Charles > > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of Chris Hoelscher > Sent: Friday, January 31, 2020 1:54 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Who do you trust? trivia > > Trivia: Who do you trust was an American game show primarily from 1957 -> > 1962, hosted by Johnny Carson and his announced Ed McMahon - it was on the > basis of his exposure in this endeavor that he was hired to replace Jack Paar > on The tonight Show > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Who do you trust? trivia
Hi Skip, Here is a "famous" quote attributed to Sir Winston Churchill: This is the type of arrant pedantry up with which I will not put. Please see: https://brians.wsu.edu/2016/11/14/churchill-on-prepositions/ Regards, David On 2020-01-31 18:19, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote: This construction does not bother me nearly as much as the hyper-corrected inverse: Whom should provide the certificate? Ugh. . . J.O.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company Electric Dragon Team Paddler SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 323-715-0595 Mobile 626-543-6132 Office ⇐=== NEW robin...@sce.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: Friday, January 31, 2020 2:52 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: (External):Re: Who do you trust? trivia CAUTION EXTERNAL EMAIL The allusion was intentional. Someone wrote me offline to criticize the use of who rather than whom. I responded that I doubted Bo Diddley would have had a hit with "Whom Do You Love"? In his case, I believe there may also have been an allusion to "hoo-doo." Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Chris Hoelscher Sent: Friday, January 31, 2020 1:54 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Who do you trust? trivia Trivia: Who do you trust was an American game show primarily from 1957 -> 1962, hosted by Johnny Carson and his announced Ed McMahon - it was on the basis of his exposure in this endeavor that he was hired to replace Jack Paar on The tonight Show -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Who do you trust? trivia
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 I always thought it interesting that CAs required a driver's license to register... Adam Sent from ProtonMail mobile \ Original Message On Jan 31, 2020, 3:19 PM, Jesse 1 Robinson < jesse1.robin...@sce.com> wrote: > > > > This construction does not bother me nearly as much as the hyper-corrected > inverse: Whom should provide the certificate? Ugh. > > . > . > J.O.Skip Robinson > Southern California Edison Company > Electric Dragon Team Paddler > SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager > 323-715-0595 Mobile > 626-543-6132 Office ⇐=== NEW > robin...@sce.com > > \-Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of > Charles Mills > Sent: Friday, January 31, 2020 2:52 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: (External):Re: Who do you trust? trivia > > CAUTION EXTERNAL EMAIL > > The allusion was intentional. > > Someone wrote me offline to criticize the use of who rather than whom. I > responded that I doubted Bo Diddley would have had a hit with "Whom Do You > Love"? In his case, I believe there may also have been an allusion to > "hoo-doo." > > Charles > > > \-Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List \[mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU\] On > Behalf Of Chris Hoelscher > Sent: Friday, January 31, 2020 1:54 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Who do you trust? trivia > > Trivia: Who do you trust was an American game show primarily from 1957 -> > 1962, hosted by Johnny Carson and his announced Ed McMahon - it was on the > basis of his exposure in this endeavor that he was hired to replace Jack Paar > on The tonight Show > > > \-- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: ProtonMail wsBmBAEBCAAQBQJeNLaVCRBiYga9B/zq3QAKCRBiYga9B/zq3ax8B/9/FYty i+IoBzIxsUqhWAG4tMG/sgCHsiJkEu+sNs/ROXZYKYh8SAl6K1xhkf214W8o 3wOqAq//hMjFLPyE1/CoA20IgdZtikWNsQUuIJBRWQrsa/okW5xuv+Tn6ViO kA2JNnCw0njIEKfdDtfdNIucNH0LB58N5q7aK3qV58vTPT3y26hyMdmcymj9 Xw2l31BTmJEzudTW4F9NJLTAo4f/+LarSKqr7MMpw/F7Ufw6avWGfTOnuRJi AdVkO/hsqyw900dA4uAPFPnQR9PwV1dRFwWScqhMUqhWxuBx7vtb3S6+ZB/p YWy4fjAeBoJ+lNyAbWmqUH0PW+1JPdzksTqU =LDTj -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Who do you trust? trivia
This construction does not bother me nearly as much as the hyper-corrected inverse: Whom should provide the certificate? Ugh. . . J.O.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company Electric Dragon Team Paddler SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 323-715-0595 Mobile 626-543-6132 Office ⇐=== NEW robin...@sce.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: Friday, January 31, 2020 2:52 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: (External):Re: Who do you trust? trivia CAUTION EXTERNAL EMAIL The allusion was intentional. Someone wrote me offline to criticize the use of who rather than whom. I responded that I doubted Bo Diddley would have had a hit with "Whom Do You Love"? In his case, I believe there may also have been an allusion to "hoo-doo." Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Chris Hoelscher Sent: Friday, January 31, 2020 1:54 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Who do you trust? trivia Trivia: Who do you trust was an American game show primarily from 1957 -> 1962, hosted by Johnny Carson and his announced Ed McMahon - it was on the basis of his exposure in this endeavor that he was hired to replace Jack Paar on The tonight Show -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Who do you trust? trivia
The allusion was intentional. Someone wrote me offline to criticize the use of who rather than whom. I responded that I doubted Bo Diddley would have had a hit with "Whom Do You Love"? In his case, I believe there may also have been an allusion to "hoo-doo." Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Chris Hoelscher Sent: Friday, January 31, 2020 1:54 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Who do you trust? trivia Trivia: Who do you trust was an American game show primarily from 1957 -> 1962, hosted by Johnny Carson and his announced Ed McMahon - it was on the basis of his exposure in this endeavor that he was hired to replace Jack Paar on The tonight Show -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Who do you trust? trivia
Very interesting, to tell the truth. On 1/31/2020 1:54 PM, Chris Hoelscher wrote: Trivia: Who do you trust was an American game show primarily from 1957 -> 1962, hosted by Johnny Carson and his announced Ed McMahon - it was on the basis of his exposure in this endeavor that he was hired to replace Jack Paar on The tonight Show Thank You, Chris Hoelscher| Lead Database Administrator | IBM Global Technical Services| T 502.476.2538 or 502.407.7266 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Who do you trust? trivia
Trivia: Who do you trust was an American game show primarily from 1957 -> 1962, hosted by Johnny Carson and his announced Ed McMahon - it was on the basis of his exposure in this endeavor that he was hired to replace Jack Paar on The tonight Show Thank You, Chris Hoelscher| Lead Database Administrator | IBM Global Technical Services| T 502.476.2538 or 502.407.7266 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Gord Tomlin Sent: Friday, January 31, 2020 10:57 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] Who do you trust? (What CA's do you trust?) On 2020-01-30 18:06, Charles Mills wrote: > Who do you trust? What CERTAUTH certificates do you have installed and > trusted? > > > > I am contemplating purchasing an FTP server certificate for z/OS > client FTP access. I'd like to know which CA's are most likely to > already be installed in customers' CERTAUTH keyrings. > > > > IBM used to ship certificates for VeriSign, Thawte, Integrion, > Entrust, Equifax and ICP. Are those still popularly-trusted CAs? > > > > What about Comodo? They are the largest CA. What about GoDaddy? What > about Let's Encrypt, the no-charge CA? > > > > There's been a lot of consolidation. Equifax is GeoTrust is VeriSign. > Thawte and Symantec are now DigiCert. FWIW, from Mozilla: "Most browsers, not just Firefox, do not trust certificates by GeoTrust, RapidSSL, Symantec, Thawte, and VeriSign because these certificate authorities failed to follow security practices in the past." https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsupport.mozilla.org%2Fen-US%2Fkb%2Fwhat-does-your-connection-is-not-secure-meandata=02%7C01%7Cchoelscher%40humana.com%7C242db786a7504ba14cd308d7a666453c%7C56c62bbe85984b859e511ca753fa50f2%7C1%7C0%7C637160830484293588sdata=00dMNUxvGtb5pZlc%2BFjPjN%2Bkbdamrz9sZdJIOkRgTcQ%3Dreserved=0 -- Regards, Gord Tomlin Action Software International (a division of Mazda Computer Corporation) Tel: (905) 470-7113, Fax: (905) 470-6507 Support: https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Factionsoftware.com%2Fsupport%2Fdata=02%7C01%7Cchoelscher%40humana.com%7C242db786a7504ba14cd308d7a666453c%7C56c62bbe85984b859e511ca753fa50f2%7C1%7C0%7C637160830484303579sdata=WpGwGGjwknswpjBfoPWd%2FAhVr0VeCBCRaFcWQ4SWvBo%3Dreserved=0 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain CONFIDENTIAL material. If you receive this material/information in error, please contact the sender and delete or destroy the material/information. Humana Inc. and its subsidiaries comply with applicable Federal civil rights laws and do not discriminate on the basis of race, color, national origin, age, disability, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, or religion. Humana Inc. and its subsidiaries do not exclude people or treat them differently because of race, color, national origin, age, disability, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, or religion. English: ATTENTION: If you do not speak English, language assistance services, free of charge, are available to you. Call 1‐877‐320‐1235 (TTY: 711). Español (Spanish): ATENCIÓN: Si habla español, tiene a su disposición servicios gratuitos de asistencia lingüística. Llame al 1‐877‐320‐1235 (TTY: 711). 繁體中文(Chinese)：注意：如果您使用繁體中文，您可以免費獲得語言援助 服務。請致電 1‐877‐320‐1235 (TTY: 711)。 Kreyòl Ayisyen (Haitian Creole): ATANSION: Si w pale Kreyòl Ayisyen, gen sèvis èd pou lang ki disponib gratis pou ou. Rele 1‐877‐320‐1235 (TTY: 711). Polski (Polish): UWAGA: Jeżeli mówisz po polsku, możesz skorzystać z bezpłatnej pomocy językowej. Zadzwoń pod numer 1‐877‐320‐1235 (TTY: 711). 한국어 (Korean): 주의: 한국어를 사용하시는 경우, 언어 지원 서비스를 무료로 이용하실 수 있습니다. 1‐877‐320‐1235 (TTY: 711)번으로 전화해 주십시오. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
