Re: VM Best Practices

2009-12-17 Thread Ivica Brodaric
Gary, You can *ask* about best practice, but in this case no one can say what's universally best, not to mention what's best for you. I still think you got some answers and a few examples of what people are doing. It depends on what events do you want to protect yourself against, how quickly do y

Re: VM Best Practices

2009-12-16 Thread Gary M. Dennis
In the movie "In Search of the Holy Grail", the knights who say "nee" could not bear to hear a certain words. One of those words was "it". "It" appears that best practice may be not to ask about - (words redacted). Thanks to all who responded. --. .- .-. -.-- Gary Dennis Mantiss

Re: VM Best Practices

2009-12-16 Thread Ivica Brodaric
> Mirroring does not replace good backup tapes: an accidental ERASE or FORMAT > is mirrored perfectly well to your DR site. Yes. Mirroring does not make any tape backups redundant, but they do drop to plan B in case of disaster. They remain plan A if you lose a file or a disk and even then FlashC

Re: VM Best Practices

2009-12-16 Thread Mike Walter
not my employer's. "Kris Buelens" Sent by: "The IBM z/VM Operating System" 12/16/2009 01:39 AM Please respond to "The IBM z/VM Operating System" To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject Re: VM Best Practices Mirroring does not replace good backup tape

Re: VM Best Practices

2009-12-16 Thread Mike Walter
my employer's. "Ivica Brodaric" Sent by: "The IBM z/VM Operating System" 12/15/2009 06:49 PM Please respond to "The IBM z/VM Operating System" To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject Re: VM Best Practices Mike, I didn't mean to be smart, s

Re: VM Best Practices

2009-12-15 Thread Kris Buelens
Mirroring does not replace good backup tapes: an accidental ERASE or FORMAT is mirrored perfectly well to your DR site. Secondly: if you simply have a two copy mirror, performing DR tests means you break the mirroring during the test and at that time you no longer have a mirror. 2009/12/16 Ivica B

Re: VM Best Practices

2009-12-15 Thread Ivica Brodaric
Mike, I didn't mean to be smart, sorry if it came out that way. I just wanted to stress that everything you need to perform a DR, including hardcopy reports, utility tapes, DR procedure manual, CD's with software manuals, etc. has to be on a DR site or in the off-site storage, that's all. Of cour

Re: VM Best Practices

2009-12-14 Thread Dave Wade
cumstances. Dave G4UGM > -Original Message- > From: The IBM z/VM Operating System > [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Brian Nielsen > Sent: 14 December 2009 22:34 > To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU > Subject: Re: VM Best Practices > > > On Mon, 14

Re: VM Best Practices

2009-12-14 Thread Schuh, Richard
Schuh > -Original Message- > From: The IBM z/VM Operating System > [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Mike Walter > Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 3:13 PM > To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU > Subject: Re: VM Best Practices > > Yep, your updates are g

Re: VM Best Practices

2009-12-14 Thread Mike Walter
ot; 12/14/2009 04:39 PM Please respond to "The IBM z/VM Operating System" To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject Re: VM Best Practices 2) Keep automatically produced daily reports to minidisk, printed to hardcopy at least weekly, showing: a) the current location of critical minidisk

Re: VM Best Practices

2009-12-14 Thread Ivica Brodaric
> > 2) Keep automatically produced daily reports to minidisk, printed to > hardcopy at least weekly, showing: > a) the current location of critical minidisks. The list should be > quickly searchable by sorted userid and mdisk (e.g. "Where's MAINT's 02C2 > disk with the "USER DIRECT" file? Or...

Re: VM Best Practices

2009-12-14 Thread Brian Nielsen
On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 15:09:11 -0500, Alan Altmark wrote: >LOL. I am coming to hate the phrase "Best Practices". I've hated it for years. What's "best" for you is not neccesarily "best" for me. Similarly, "rules of thumb" that get used without understanding their underpinnings can handcuff

Re: VM Best Practices

2009-12-14 Thread Mike Walter
Walter Hewitt Associates "Gary M. Dennis" Sent by: "The IBM z/VM Operating System" 12/14/2009 01:43 PM Please respond to "The IBM z/VM Operating System" To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject VM Best Practices Watching ?A Christmas Story? makes me wond

Re: VM Best Practices

2009-12-14 Thread Alan Altmark
ient. Note that they do occassionally leave a mess on the floor, so you can't leave them unattended! There is a phrase: "Our gun, your foot. Keep your finger off the trigger." > Can anyone point me to a source for z/VM ?Best Practices? that addresses low > level syst

VM Best Practices

2009-12-14 Thread Gary M. Dennis
Watching ³A Christmas Story² makes me wonder if you can ³shoot your eye out² through errors of omission with a VM system. Can anyone point me to a source for z/VM ³Best Practices² that addresses low level system recovery (essentially disaster recovery). Thanks Gary Dennis Mantissa