Re: [Idle-dev] Big change to IDLE Shell

2021-05-29 Thread Alan Gauld via IDLE-dev
On 26/05/2021 11:45, Tal Einat wrote: > Alan and André, since you've both given positive feedback about this > change, I'm interested in your perspectives about two problems which > Raymond Hettinger brought up on the bpo issue [1]: > > 1. Reduced clarity of separation between input and output lin

Re: [Idle-dev] Big change to IDLE Shell

2021-05-26 Thread Tal Einat
Alan and André, since you've both given positive feedback about this change, I'm interested in your perspectives about two problems which Raymond Hettinger brought up on the bpo issue [1]: 1. Reduced clarity of separation between input and output lines. 2. Increased indentation of outputs reduces

Re: [Idle-dev] Big change to IDLE Shell

2021-05-24 Thread Mark Roseman
On May -20- 2021, at 2:19 PM, Tal Einat wrote: > In recent years Terry J. Reedy has taken the lead on IDLE. Terry has > been doing a fantastic job of moving IDLE forward while also fixing > many bugs and making it more robust. He's also been very responsible > in deciding which changes to make. Th

Re: [Idle-dev] Big change to IDLE Shell

2021-05-20 Thread Tal Einat
On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 4:01 AM Mark Roseman wrote: > > > > On May 17, 2021, at 10:22 PM, Terry Reedy wrote: >> 5) Tabbed edit windows (already in IdleX). >> >> Tabbed windows, with not just editors on tabs, was one of my initial goals >> 11 years ago, along with using ttk widgets (done). Other

Re: [Idle-dev] Big change to IDLE Shell

2021-05-18 Thread Mark Roseman
> On May 17, 2021, at 10:22 PM, Terry Reedy wrote: > 5) Tabbed edit windows (already in IdleX). > > Tabbed windows, with not just editors on tabs, was one of my initial goals 11 > years ago, along with using ttk widgets (done). Other things, including a > bit of opposition, keep intervening.

Re: [Idle-dev] Big change to IDLE Shell

2021-05-18 Thread Alan Gauld via IDLE-dev
On 18/05/2021 06:22, Terry Reedy wrote: >> 2) The inability to paste code from web sites into IDLE (you >> have to do it one line at a time and wait for the >> interspersed results. This is, of course, due to the >> interpreter in the shell, not really an IDLE issue but >> complete

Re: [Idle-dev] Big change to IDLE Shell

2021-05-18 Thread André Roberge
On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 2:22 AM Terry Reedy wrote: > On 5/13/2021 7:27 PM, Alan Gauld via IDLE-dev wrote: > > On 13/05/2021 22:32, Terry Reedy wrote: > > > ... > > > 6) How to pass command line arguments when running a program. > > (Yes, it's possible, but not intuitive to a beginner, > >

Re: [Idle-dev] Big change to IDLE Shell

2021-05-17 Thread Terry Reedy
On 5/13/2021 7:27 PM, Alan Gauld via IDLE-dev wrote: On 13/05/2021 22:32, Terry Reedy wrote: Great news, that will eliminate a whole category of problems we see on the tutor list with IDLE. Could you summarize your experience here with a post on "Beginner problems with IDLE"? Without trawlin

Re: [Idle-dev] Big change to IDLE Shell

2021-05-13 Thread Alan Gauld via IDLE-dev
On 13/05/2021 22:32, Terry Reedy wrote: >> Great news, that will eliminate a whole category of problems >> we see on the tutor list with IDLE. > > Could you summarize your experience here with a post on > "Beginner problems with IDLE"? Without trawling through the archives I can't be scientific,

Re: [Idle-dev] Big change to IDLE Shell

2021-05-13 Thread Terry Reedy
On 5/13/2021 4:22 PM, Alan Gauld via IDLE-dev wrote: On 28/04/2021 07:52, Terry Reedy wrote: 3.10.0b1 is due to be released next Monday. The big change for IDLE is in the Shell. The first line of entered statement will line up with continuation lines and indents will be spaces instead of tabs.

Re: [Idle-dev] Big change to IDLE Shell

2021-05-13 Thread Alan Gauld via IDLE-dev
On 28/04/2021 07:52, Terry Reedy wrote: > 3.10.0b1 is due to be released next Monday. The big change for IDLE is > in the Shell. The first line of entered statement will line up with > continuation lines and indents will be spaces instead of tabs. Great news, that will eliminate a whole categ

Re: [Idle-dev] Big change to IDLE Shell

2021-05-06 Thread Terry Reedy
On 5/6/2021 12:29 PM, André Roberge wrote: This is just a quick report after a brief test. I just **love** the way the prompt is now shown. I am convinced that beginners will be much less confused with understanding indentation when using IDLE. I also did a quick test with friendly (formally

Re: [Idle-dev] Big change to IDLE Shell

2021-05-06 Thread Terry Reedy
On 4/28/2021 2:52 AM, Terry Reedy wrote: 3.10.0b1 is due to be released next Monday.  The big change for IDLE is in the Shell.  The first line of entered statement will line up with continuation lines and indents will be spaces instead of tabs.  The '>>>' prompt will be either above on a line b

Re: [Idle-dev] Big change to IDLE Shell

2021-05-06 Thread Tal Einat
On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 7:30 PM André Roberge wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 3:52 AM Terry Reedy wrote: > >> 3.10.0b1 is due to be released next Monday. The big change for IDLE is >> in the Shell. The first line of entered statement will line up with >> continuation lines and indents will b

Re: [Idle-dev] Big change to IDLE Shell

2021-05-06 Thread André Roberge
On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 3:52 AM Terry Reedy wrote: > 3.10.0b1 is due to be released next Monday. The big change for IDLE is > in the Shell. The first line of entered statement will line up with > continuation lines and indents will be spaces instead of tabs. The > '>>>' prompt will be either a