On Fri, 11 Aug 2000, Anthony Atkielski wrote:
> > The problem is that we (as a profession) don't know
> > how to do that. We have to make routing scale, and
> > that demands aggregation, which in turn demands
> > structured addresses.
>
> The telephone company figured out how to avoid problems
folks,
our current plan is NOT to try to extend a single address space
across the solar system. We plan to confine address spaces to
planets, satellites, space vehicles and the backbone Internet -
but each address space is independent. We plan to use something
akin to the domain name system for i
> > Well, there is a big difference between WAP's breaking the e2e model
> > and i-mode. WAP does an application gateway and uses no Internet
> > protocols. At least, i-mode is using IP, TCP, HTTP, etc.
> Who cares what protocol a device runs as long as it delivers the
> application that satisf
> *No one* knows how to do it any differently.
I have an idea: Let's merge IP addresses with telephone numbers. A person
will have one IP address for each telephone number he owns, and vice versa,
and the two numbers will be the same. Because the identifying number of a
telephone is open-ended
> As was pointed out recently, IPV6 will croak much sooner than it needs to
> for the simple reason that we structure routing intelligence into the
> address assignment.
don't believe everything you read on the IETF list.
> Wouldn't it be better by far, to assign new addresses from 000...1, and
> The problem is that we (as a profession) don't know
> how to do that. We have to make routing scale, and
> that demands aggregation, which in turn demands
> structured addresses.
The telephone company figured out how to avoid problems decades ago. Why
the computer industry has to rediscover t
Brian Carpenter writes:
> This is some sort of urban legend. If a routeable
> prefix was given to every human, using a predicted
> world population of 11 billion, we would
> consume about 0.004% of the total IPv6 address
> space.
Surely you recall the quotation attributed to Thomas J. Watson: "T
apologies for the CC a moment ago...
At 01:33 PM 8/10/00 -0400, Corzine, Gordie wrote:
>Wouldn't it be better by far, to assign new addresses from 000...1, and map
>to routing information however we may code it?
well, that is essentially what has happened in the telephone network, at
least the wireless portion of it. Your telephone
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Cor
zine, Gordie" writes:
>Using the IP address, you index into a table with 100 M entries, pick up an
>index into the 75K entry routing table. You now have two tables that
>require maintenance, that's all. If customer changes ISP, their entry in
>the first table
> From: Masataka Ohta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>...
>
> If you want phone with real Internet style, see our INET paper:
>
> http://www.isoc.org/inet2000/cdproceedings/4a/4a_3.htm
Excellent! That is far better than any IP telephony proposal I've
ever seen.
> Run this kind of protocol over Ri
Using the IP address, you index into a table with 100 M entries, pick up an
index into the 75K entry routing table. You now have two tables that
require maintenance, that's all. If customer changes ISP, their entry in
the first table is changed. Link is down, the second table's mechanisms
handl
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Cor
zine, Gordie" writes:
>Seriously,
>
>As was pointed out recently, IPV6 will croak much sooner than it needs to
>for the simple reason that we structure routing intelligence into the
>address assignment.
>
>Wouldn't it be better by far, to assign new addresses f
> -Original Message-
> From: John Day [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >
> >No. it's the world's biggest NAT, and NAT *breaks the end-to-end
> >model of IP*.
>
> Well, there is a big difference between WAP's breaking the e2e model
> and i-mode. WAP does an application gateway and uses no Inte
"Corzine, Gordie" wrote:
>
> Seriously,
>
> As was pointed out recently, IPV6 will croak much sooner than it needs to
> for the simple reason that we structure routing intelligence into the
> address assignment.
This is some sort of urban legend. If a routeable prefix was given to
every human,
On Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:33:43 EDT, "Corzine, Gordie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Wouldn't it be better by far, to assign new addresses from 000...1, and map
> to routing information however we may code it? The memory and processor
> steps required would be trivial compared to the agony of running
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Seriously,
As was pointed out recently, IPV6 will croak much sooner than it needs to
for the simple reason that we structure routing intelligence into the
address assignment.
Wouldn't it be better by far, to assign new addresses from 000...1, and map
to routing information however we may code it
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Masataka Ohta wrote:
>
> Nilsson;
>
> > I doubt that you will find support from IETF folks for something that
> > breaks the end-to-end model of IP (as Imode and WAP do as they are
> > implemented today). I want to be able to ssh to my phone (or
> > equivalent). Anything below that is just telep
At 12:20 PM +0100 8/10/00, Lloyd Wood wrote:
>On Wed, 9 Aug 2000, James P. Salsman wrote:
>
> > >... breaks the end-to-end model of IP (as Imode and WAP do as they are
> > > implemented today).
> >
> > WAP does, but apparently i-Mode does not.
>
>No. it's the world's biggest NAT, and NAT *brea
Nilsson;
> I doubt that you will find support from IETF folks for something that
> breaks the end-to-end model of IP (as Imode and WAP do as they are
> implemented today). I want to be able to ssh to my phone (or
> equivalent). Anything below that is just telephantisms.
I'm afraid that ssh for
Francis;
> => according to a IPv6 Forum internal mail:
>
> NTTDoCoMo confirmed that IPv6 will be used in their backbone
> starting Jan 2001 in a panel session with Fujitsu and the IPv6 Forum
> at WTC.
FYI, it's equally easy for docomo to use IPv4, IPv6, OSI or any other
protocol,
John;
> Renfield Kuroda wrote:
>
> > James Seng wrote:
> >
> > > Not sure if it is relevant but i-mode is working on an end-to-end IP
> > > system now which will be deploy sometime next year.
> >
> > Really?
No.
> The guy from NTT Docomo who spoke at Adelaide mentioned it. I don't remember
>
On Thu, 10 Aug 2000, Barathy, RamaSubramaniam wrote:
> Soon we need to have the interplanetary ip address allocation methods
> even for our planet (The work of Vinton cerf & colleagues in NASA) for
> so many devices popping up.
This brings up some more problems I don't even want to start thinki
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In your previous mail you wrote:
> One of the original reason that i-mode didnt go pure IP is they couldnt
> get enough IP address for it (they designed i-mode to handle 6M users
> originally) and that is quite huge for APNIC.
IPv6 has been around for quite some time now, do you
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Renfield Kuroda wrote:
> James Seng wrote:
>
> > Not sure if it is relevant but i-mode is working on an end-to-end IP
> > system now which will be deploy sometime next year.
>
> Really? I am in Tokyo and follow wireless developments, especially i-mode,
> quite closely, and I've never heard of suc
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On Thu, 10 Aug 2000, James Seng wrote:
> One of the original reason that i-mode didnt go pure IP is they couldnt
> get enough IP address for it (they designed i-mode to handle 6M users
> originally) and that is quite huge for APNIC.
IPv6 has been around for quite some time now, do you know what
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> Not sure if it is relevant but i-mode is working on an end-to-end IP
> system now which will be deploy sometime next year.
Really? I am in Tokyo and follow wireless developments, especially i-mode,
quite closely, and I've never heard of such a plan.
Can you elaborate?
Thank
Not sure if it is relevant but i-mode is working on an end-to-end IP
system now which will be deploy sometime next year.
One of the original reason that i-mode didnt go pure IP is they couldnt
get enough IP address for it (they designed i-mode to handle 6M users
originally) and that is quite huge
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