Re: Denial of Service by Spamware?

2000-12-29 Thread Christopher Ambler
By my count, that's 7 to 3 in favor of "Internet Mail Service". What is your count? My count is 4 to 2 right now, but I have no reason to doubt you, and believe that it will equal your count shortly. Any system can be messed up. I blame only the first of the four notices from [EMAIL

Re: Denial of Service by Spamware?

2000-12-29 Thread John Stracke
Christopher Ambler wrote: I don't agree, and merely wanted to point out that other mail systems have the same problem. There is anti-virus software for Notes, too. But a sane mail system does not *spread* viruses. To say that IMS is "designed to be a trojan horse" just seems a little

GR-303 MIB BOF

2000-12-29 Thread Vetter, Rick (HT-EX)
Title: GR-303 MIB BOF I know this is going way back, but can anyone tell me if anything came out of the GR-303 MIB BOF at the 46th IETF in Washington, Nov 99? I read the meeting report and it seemed that there would be more activity on this, but I have been unable to find anything. Rick

Re: Denial of Service by Spamware?

2000-12-29 Thread Vernon Schryver
From: John Stracke [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't agree, and merely wanted to point out that other mail systems have the same problem. There is anti-virus software for Notes, too. But a sane mail system does not *spread* viruses. And people I'd want to hire even indirectly through a retail

Re: Denial of Service by Spamware?

2000-12-29 Thread Ted Gavin
On Fri, 29 Dec 2000 10:28:48 -0700 (MST), Vernon Schryver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: John Stracke [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't agree, and merely wanted to point out that other mail systems have the same problem. There is anti-virus software for Notes, too. But a sane mail system does

Re: Denial of Service by Spamware?

2000-12-29 Thread Perry E. Metzger
Ted Gavin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Those persons who are responsible for managing Microsoft Exchange implementations should know that Out-Of-Office responses, as well as anti-virus application auto-notifications can be given permission to send to the Internet, just as they can be DENIED

Why the out of office messages aren't an example of misconfiguration.

2000-12-29 Thread Perry E. Metzger
I hate to have to give a basic lesson on this stuff on, of all places, the IETF mailing list, but it appears that some folks around here don't know the details of of mail delivery. Lots of people keep saying "Gee, well, exchange lets you turn off sending out of office messages to the internet.

Re: Denial of Service by Spamware?

2000-12-29 Thread Christopher Ambler
I'm saying that people who are too lazy or witless to pick software that does not cause them to make pests of themselves have no place trying to develop network protocols. I'm sorry, but I take offense at this. I am neither lazy nor witless, and I chose Exchange. I configured it around its

Re: Denial of Service by Spamware?

2000-12-29 Thread Tripp Lilley
On Fri, 29 Dec 2000, Christopher Ambler wrote: Is Exchange broken? Undoubtedly so. Is there a way that a clueful user can overcome the break? Absolutely. Should the software be "banned?" Of course not. If anything, unsubscribe those users who can't take the trouble to ensure that their