Re: Plenaries at IETF 53

2002-01-17 Thread Fred Baker
At 12:43 AM 1/17/2002, Rodney Thayer wrote: If we seriously used the time on friday, thus making thursday night more legitmate to schedule staying in town, that would help. I'd be curious to know what would define using Friday seriously. We do usually put meetings on Friday which also have a

Re: Plenaries at IETF 53

2002-01-17 Thread Pekka Savola
On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, John Klensin wrote: [snip] * And should the IAB try to control microphone time, or is it better to let people explain their views at whatever length that takes? Definitely. How aggressively is another question (mainly a function of people's interest in the subject and

Re: Plenaries at IETF 53

2002-01-17 Thread Matt Crawford
I think two plenary's is a good idea. If we seriously used the time on friday, thus making thursday night more legitmate to schedule staying in town, that would help. also would mitigate the horrible double booking of wg meetings I think devoting Thursday night to a plenary is one factor

Re: Plenaries at IETF 53

2002-01-17 Thread Susan Harris
* If so, should we continue with IESG on Wednesday and IAB on Thursday, or should we alternate them (or adopt some more radical schedule change -- probably too late for Minneapolis at this point). I like the idea of keeping to the two-plenary schedule at every IETF. * And should the IAB

Re: Plenaries at IETF 53

2002-01-17 Thread Michael Richardson
Fred == Fred Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Fred At 12:43 AM 1/17/2002, Rodney Thayer wrote: If we seriously used the time on friday, thus making thursday night more legitmate to schedule staying in town, that would help. Fred I'd be curious to know what would define using

Re: Plenaries at IETF 53

2002-01-17 Thread Michael Richardson
Matt == Matt Crawford [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Matt I think devoting Thursday night to a plenary is one factor that Matt helps to undermine Friday's status as a real working day. Matt In most cases, Tuesday noght could have been used for a plenary Matt with no adverse impact

Re: comments on Friday scheduling (was Plenaries at IETF 53)

2002-01-17 Thread Rodney Thayer
A couple of things happen with Friday meetings. One is, there aren't enough of them. It makes it hard to justify staying the extra day. The other thing is, recently, they've had a habit of scheduling multiple common interest meetings on top of each other, like PKIX and PGP, or two security

Re: comments on Friday scheduling (was Plenaries at IETF 53)

2002-01-17 Thread Dave Crocker
At 02:04 PM 1/17/2002 -0500, Jeffrey Altman wrote: Sunday with little to do other than catch up on work that really should have been done before I arrived. So maybe doing more on Sunday would be a possibility. This is an interesting suggestion. The two negatives are that a) some people do not

Re: Plenaries at IETF 53

2002-01-17 Thread Holdrege, Matt
At 01:42 PM 1/16/2002, John Klensin wrote: * Should we continue with the two-plenary model? Should we do so at every IETF, or consider some sort of periodic or occasional schedule? The two plenary model is good since it gives us time needed to address the issues. If people want to participate,

Re: Plenaries at IETF 53

2002-01-17 Thread Michael Richardson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Rodney == Rodney Thayer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Rodney I think two plenary's is a good idea. Rodney If we seriously used the time on friday, thus making thursday Rodney night more legitmate to schedule staying in town, that would Rodney

Re: comments on Friday scheduling (was Plenaries at IETF 53)

2002-01-17 Thread Michael Mealling
On Thu, Jan 17, 2002 at 11:34:35AM -0800, Dave Crocker wrote: At 02:04 PM 1/17/2002 -0500, Jeffrey Altman wrote: Sunday with little to do other than catch up on work that really should have been done before I arrived. So maybe doing more on Sunday would be a possibility. This is an

RE: comments on Friday scheduling (was Plenaries at IETF 53)

2002-01-17 Thread Michel Py
Jeffrey Altman wrote: Just to add my experience. I find that in order to get better airline rates I am forced to travel into town on Saturday. So I'm in town on Sunday with little to do other than catch up on work that really should have been done before I arrived. So maybe doing more on

Re: comments on Friday scheduling (was Plenaries at IETF 53)

2002-01-17 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 12:17:52 PST, Michel Py said: Sacramento to Minneapolis, no connections: - Arrive Minneapolis Sunday afternoon, leave friday afternoon: round trip $1049 - Arrive Minneapolis Saturday evening, leave friday morning: round trip $289 SAME AIRLINE (Northwest), same planes.

Re: comments on Friday scheduling (was Plenaries at IETF 53)

2002-01-17 Thread Keith Moore
Sunday with little to do other than catch up on work that really should have been done before I arrived. So maybe doing more on Sunday would be a possibility. This is an interesting suggestion. The two negatives are that a) some people do not work on Sunday, and 2) those currently

Re: comments on Friday scheduling (was Plenaries at IETF 53)

2002-01-17 Thread Randy Bush
I've known several folks who have Sunday booked solid with business/design-team/etc meetings weeks before the actual IETF begins. I would personally prefer extending into Friday... aol me too /aol randy

Re: comments on Friday scheduling (was Plenaries at IETF 53)

2002-01-17 Thread Bob Hinden
I actually think our scheduling is within epsilon of optimal. Five days (currently Sunday evening - Friday morning) seems to be about as much as we can handle anyway. No matter which day of the week we end on, many people are going to leave a bit early, and the last meeting slot is going to

Re: comments on Friday scheduling, etc.

2002-01-17 Thread Ran Atkinson
On Thursday, January 17, 2002, at 02:04 , Jeffrey Altman wrote: I find that in order to get better airline rates I am forced to travel into town on Saturday. So I'm in town on Sunday ... So maybe doing more on Sunday would be a possibility. I believe that (at least for US-homed travellers)

Re: comments on Friday scheduling (was Plenaries at IETF 53)

2002-01-17 Thread Einar Stefferud
Responding to the total collection of this thread. You all could save a lot of group meeting time by publishing all those regular Reports (RFC-Ed, etc, et al) on the IETF Web site or via EMail. After all they are mostly cut and dried with no discussion, prepared long in advance. Further,