Re: Netmeeting - NAT issue

2002-03-20 Thread Meritt James
See the problem? Lots of That is not the problem, THIS is the REAL problem and all too few doable solutions. Throwing rocks is easy. Catching them is harder. -- James W. Meritt CISSP, CISA Booz | Allen | Hamilton phone: (410) 684-6566

Re: I don't want to be facing 8-bit bugs in 2013

2002-03-20 Thread Masataka Ohta
Kre; | IDNA does _not_ work, because Unicode does not work in International | context. This argument is bogus, and always has been. If (and where) unicode is defective, the right thing to do is to fix unicode. Unicode is not usable in international context. There is no unicode

Re: I don't want to be facing 8-bit bugs in 2013

2002-03-20 Thread John Stracke
Anyway, with the fix, there is no reason to prefer Unicode-based local character sets, which is not widely used today, than existing local character sets already used world wide. Of course there is. What do you do when someone wants to combine charsets from different nations? For example, say

Re: Netmeeting - NAT issue

2002-03-20 Thread Vivek Gupta
But what do U say about people using it at home SOHO One is not going to buy 3 IP's if someone tries to use it at home. The objective is to make Internet accessible to everybody at the least $ out of pocket. We should not forget that. Vivek - Original Message - From: Keith Moore

Re: I don't want to be facing 8-bit bugs in 2013

2002-03-20 Thread Paul Robinson
On Mar 20, D. J. Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: False. IDNA does _not_ work. IDNA causes interoperability failures. Mail ... with the current DNS resolvers in place... OK, others have pointed out failures with things like SSL/HTTPS (which is broken in several interesting way anyway from

Re: Netmeeting - NAT issue

2002-03-20 Thread Melinda Shore
From: Peter Deutsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] And if your objection to NATs ended there, I wouldn't have a problem with it. But instead of then working to change the protocols that break with NATs, you continue to insist, Canute-like, that you can turn back the tides and move the world back to a

Re: Netmeeting - NAT issue

2002-03-20 Thread Aaron Falk
On Wed, Mar 20, 2002 at 08:23:15AM -0800, Tony Hain wrote: My question was directed at Noel's assertion that security requires a site border router as the implementation. Just because that may be cheaper than fixing all the current hosts, wouldn't we be better off in the long run if all

Marketing Director, Bluetooth SIG, Inc.

2002-03-20 Thread Austin Bill-P23393
Bluetooth SIG, Inc. is seeking a qualified candidate for the senior management position of Marketing Director. The Marketing Director will have global responsibility, executing the marketing plan and manage the entire marketing function and organization within the Bluetooth SIG. The staff

Re: I don't want to be facing 8-bit bugs in 2013

2002-03-20 Thread Masataka Ohta
Harald; [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unicode is usable in some local context. Agreed. Note that some is changing to many as time goes on. Irreleant, because some contexts are not compatible. The point here is that there can be no universal context. There is some unicode implementaion

when does wavelan die at Minneapolis? Friday?

2002-03-20 Thread George Michaelson
So is teardown on a non-IETF day scheduled for 4am or 5am? No, really: How long can the itnerant ex-attendee sit in the lounge and be on line? Or, how long at the Britpub with the feed? -George PS I have been dying to ask: does anybody measure the size of the suspected pool of

We Should be Overcoming ICANN by Listening to Paul Baran

2002-03-20 Thread Gordon Cook
We Should be Overcoming ICANN by Listening to Paul Baran On June 23, 1995 Paul Baran, the inventor of packet networks gave a talk at the MARCONI CENTENNIAL SYMPOSIUM Bologna, Italy. He end his talk with four paragraphs that seven years later and after almost 4 years of ICANN read like

Re: I don't want to be facing 8-bit bugs in 2013

2002-03-20 Thread Masataka Ohta
Erkki I. Kolehmainen; The use of local character sets (encoding) is doomed for particularly ww information interchange. Interestingly enough, ww information interchange is working very well with local character sets. The reason is because only people sharing a language, a scripting system

Re: I don't want to be facing 8-bit bugs in 2013

2002-03-20 Thread James Seng
While the discussion of the use of various character set is interesting topic, one which is also of interest to IDN WG, such prolonged discussion are better carried out in a forum which is dedicated to this, such as [EMAIL PROTECTED], a list which is formed to talk about the generic problem of

Re: [idn] Moving Towards UTF8 vs ASCII(ACE) Forever

2002-03-20 Thread Dave Crocker
At 09:52 PM 3/20/2002 -0500, Edmon Chung wrote: An underlying question we must ask ourselves from all the discussions that have sprung up every now and then is: and as luck would have it, the working group has asked itself that question many times, so we need not pursue it again. d/

Unicode is so flawed that 7 or 8 bit encoding is not an issue

2002-03-20 Thread Masataka Ohta
James; Trying to reply your mail, my mailer says: [Charset Windows-1252 unsupported, skipping...] so, could you learn not to Microsoft centric and to use proper charset for the International discussion of IETF? While the discussion of the use of various character set is interesting