Re: "IETF consensus" in IANA considerations [was Re:Last Call: CR-LDP Extensions for ASON to Informational ]

2003-01-29 Thread John C Klensin
--On Wednesday, 29 January, 2003 20:20 -0500 Thomas Narten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ... As one of the authors of RFC 2434 "Guidelines for Writing an IANA Considerations Section in RFCs", I have long regretted defining the term "IETF Consensus" as it is in that document. 2434 says: IET

RE: WG Review: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service environments (lemonade)

2003-01-29 Thread dja2001
"Spencer Dawkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > David, you're a genius! Thanks. Can I use you for a reference? B-) (See signature.) > Glenn Parson told me he was VERY proud of the LEMONADE acronymn, Yes, and now that I've gone and looked up what it is and all that (hey, I was away from IETF

"IETF consensus" in IANA considerations [was Re: Last Call: CR-LDP Extensions for ASON to Informational ]

2003-01-29 Thread Thomas Narten
RJ Atkinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thursday, Jan 23, 2003, at 17:54 America/Montreal, Bob Braden wrote: > > I interpret "IETF consensus" as meaning that at least a Last > > Call was conducted. To use any other interpretation seems to me to > > be dishonest. I guess I am agreeing with K

Re: WG Review: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service environments (lemonade)

2003-01-29 Thread John C Klensin
--On Wednesday, 29 January, 2003 13:06 -0800 "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I agree. And unfortunately, I think this is due to a serious problem about which I'm quite distressed: The proposed charter contained in the announcement is *not* the proposed charter worked out on th

RE: WG Review: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service environments (lemonade)

2003-01-29 Thread dja2001
"Spencer Dawkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > what's an obvious name for a working group PRUNING IMAP4? > > "minIMAP4rev1"? "IMAP4rev1minus"?... MAPLET -- Message Access Protocol Limited to Efficient Tasks? -- David J. Aronson, Software Engineer for hire in Washington DC area. See http://dja

Re: WG Review: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverseservice environments (lemonade)

2003-01-29 Thread ned . freed
> I agree. And unfortunately, I think this is due to a serious problem > about which I'm quite distressed: > The proposed charter contained in the announcement is *not* the > proposed charter worked out on the LEMONADE BOF mailing list. Not > even close. The one on the list went through several re

RE: WG Review: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service environments (lemonade)

2003-01-29 Thread Spencer Dawkins
Hi, Pete, I've been looking at the BOF announcements for LEMONADE previously, and this wasn't the impression I had, at all. Thank you for clarifying. The clarification makes it more obvious this may be the right thing to do. But... If this proposed working group is, indeed, trimming down IMAP4 (

Re: WG Review: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverseservice environments (lemonade)

2003-01-29 Thread Pete Resnick
John and I are in a great deal more agreement that I first suspected. On 1/29/03 at 3:06 PM -0500, John C Klensin wrote: But, Pete, for reasons you presumably understand, "profiles" (note plural) gives me as much anxiety as "lets add lots more excrement to this protocol". Yes, if the result o

Re: WG Review: Enhancements to Internet email to supportdiverse service environments (lemonade)

2003-01-29 Thread John C Klensin
--On Wednesday, 29 January, 2003 13:28 -0600 Pete Resnick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 1/29/03 at 1:40 PM -0500, John C Klensin wrote: Now we have a WG proposal which seems to have a major theme of adding more capabilities and options to IMAP Before everyone ends up latching onto this: You

Re: WG Review: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverseservice environments (lemonade)

2003-01-29 Thread Pete Resnick
On 1/29/03 at 1:40 PM -0500, John C Klensin wrote: Now we have a WG proposal which seems to have a major theme of adding more capabilities and options to IMAP Before everyone ends up latching onto this: You quite conveniently ignore something very important in the first statement of purpose in

Re: WG Review: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverseservice environments (lemonade)

2003-01-29 Thread Pete Resnick
On 1/29/03 at 6:13 PM +0700, Robert Elz wrote: A new IETF working group has been proposed in the Applications Area. [...] Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service environments (lemonade) [...] 2. Enhance the existing IMAP4 message retrieval protocol to satisfy the requireme

Re: WG Review: Enhancements to Internet email to supportdiverse service environments (lemonade)

2003-01-29 Thread John C Klensin
--On Tuesday, 28 January, 2003 18:12 -0500 Jacqueline Hargest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: A new IETF working group has been proposed in the Applications Area. The IESG has not made any determination as yet. The following description was submitted, and is provided for informational purposes only.

Re: Problem-statement (Re: Last Call: CR-LDP Extensions for ASON toInformational)

2003-01-29 Thread Harald Tveit Alvestrand
and I forgot the archives are at http://eikenes.alvestrand.no/pipermail/problem-statement/ --On 24. januar 2003 20:30 +0100 Harald Tveit Alvestrand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - use the "-request" convention to subscribe. This list was set up in conjunction with the IESG pl

Re: WG Review: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service environments (lemonade)

2003-01-29 Thread Robert Elz
Date:Tue, 28 Jan 2003 18:12:05 -0500 From:Jacqueline Hargest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | A new IETF working group has been proposed in the Applications Area. [...] | Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service environments