Re: Pretty clear ... SIP

2003-08-24 Thread Dean Anderson
Err, I think there are some things missing: 1) H.323 closely matches PSTN protocols and capabilities. Its interoperability with ISDN and SS7 are far more natural. 2) H.323 is more efficiently coded using ASN.1. One might not think that this matters, but in fact it matters a great deal in large

Re: Pretty clear ... SIP

2003-08-24 Thread Karl Auerbach
On Sat, 23 Aug 2003, Dean Anderson wrote: H.323 and ASN.1 eventually surpass ... Ummm, based on my own direct experience with ASN.1 since the mid 1980's (X.400, SNMP, CMIP...), I disagree. It has been my experience that ASN.1, no matter which encoding rules are used, has proven to be a failure

Re: Pretty clear ... SIP

2003-08-24 Thread Randy Presuhn
Hi - From: Karl Auerbach [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: IETF [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 7:03 PM Subject: Re: Pretty clear ... SIP On Sat, 23 Aug 2003, Dean Anderson wrote: H.323 and ASN.1 eventually surpass ... Ummm, based on my own direct experience with ASN.1 since the

Re: Pretty clear ... SIP

2003-08-24 Thread Rob Austein
At Sat, 23 Aug 2003 21:31:19 -0700, Randy Presuhn wrote: In fairness, 1) SNMP's (ab)use of ASN.1 pretty much precludes the use of ASN.1 compiler technology. All the implementations I know of used hand-coded encoders and decoders. The vulnerabilities aren't a result of

Re: Pretty clear ... SIP

2003-08-24 Thread Eric A. Hall
on 8/24/2003 1:53 AM Rob Austein wrote: I've used ASN.1 compiler technology for a project that included an H.323-related frob, and ended up wishing I hadn't. Can you say more than 2MB just for the ASN.1 PER encoder/decoder on a box with an 8MB flash chip? (For comparision, the embedded

Re: Pretty clear ... SIP

2003-08-24 Thread Dean Anderson
On Sat, 23 Aug 2003, Karl Auerbach wrote: On Sat, 23 Aug 2003, Dean Anderson wrote: H.323 and ASN.1 eventually surpass ... Ummm, based on my own direct experience with ASN.1 since the mid 1980's (X.400, SNMP, CMIP...), I disagree. It has been my experience that ASN.1, no matter which

Solving the right problems ...

2003-08-24 Thread Tony Hain
In the ongoing saga about topology reality vs. application perception of stability, it occurs to me we are not working on the right problem. In short we have established a sacred invariant in the application / transport interface, and the demands on either side of that interface are the root of