Re: IPv6 address space lifetime, was: national security

2003-11-30 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 30-nov-03, at 4:17, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The at current burn rate assumption is far from safe though... Oh? Have any better-than-handwaving reasons to suspect the current allocation rate will change drastically? I have a slightly better than handwaving indication that the current

Re: national security

2003-11-30 Thread Bill Manning
% Anycast may even have preceded the creation of ICANN - perhaps an IETF % source or one of the root server operators can say when the first ANYCAST % deployments were done. Not an IETF source. In discussions on the earliest anycast instance, there was general agreement that M was

Re[2]: IPv6 address space lifetime, was: national security

2003-11-30 Thread Anthony G. Atkielski
Iljitsch van Beijnum writes: It seems there are (or were) 450 million bicycles in China. Think about it: what's cheaper to mass produce, a 20 kilo steel bicycle with lots of intricate mechanics, or a simple 1 kilo plastic sub-laptop? The bicycle, by far. The mechanics are not intricate, the

Re: IPv6 address space lifetime, was: national security

2003-11-30 Thread Loa Andersson
Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: I have a slightly better than handwaving indication that the current statistics don't show the full picture. In the past 4 years we've seen large scale always-on internet access deployment. However, this doesn't show up in the address space usage statistics. So

Re: national security

2003-11-30 Thread Paul Vixie
i'm going to bend my own policy a bit and reply to a role account: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (jfcm) writes: ... The interest is not sites nor network protection layers, but nations protection from what happens on or with the networks. This is in line with the White House document

Re: national security

2003-11-30 Thread jfcm
At 17:35 30/11/03, Michael H. Lambert wrote: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear jfc, As far as I can tell, you have gone only by your initials on this thread. To help some of us weigh this discussion, could you please identify yourself by name and affiliation? Sorry for this. The question was

Re: national security

2003-11-30 Thread Dean Anderson
IETF is to deliver technical solutions. IANA is to deliver a registry service. What is ICANN up to? Except what we agree: to guest forums to help consensus there. BTW is that very different from ITU? Just that Paul Twomey's Nov 19th document would have resulted from a painstakingly g/sTLD

Re: national security

2003-11-30 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 20:42:18 EST, Dean Anderson said: The main criticism of the IETF/IANA/ICANN by the rest of the world seems to fall under the democratic constituencies issue. People outside the US seem to distrust the US, and feel that their voices are not being heard, and that they

Re: national security

2003-11-30 Thread Karl Auerbach
On Sat, 29 Nov 2003, vinton g. cerf wrote: I can't seem to recall during my 2 1/2 years on ICANN's board that there ever was any non-trivial discussion, even in the secrecy of the Board's private e-mail list or phone calls, on the matters of IP address allocation or operation of the DNS root

Re: national security

2003-11-30 Thread Paul Vixie
karl wrote: ... ICANN's job is not to make decisions in secret, by unknown members of staff, based on unknown criteria and using unknown assumptions. ... that sentence is punctuated incorrectly. there's a period after decisions. ... so, which is what you are saying has been done, is

Re: national security

2003-11-30 Thread vinton g. cerf
karl, we raised the question of anycast risk with SECSAC in response to your concerns and the conclusion was that the risks had not materialized in the operation of anycast in roots that had already deployed it. There are lots of ways in which routing can be wedged - until we get some form of