Re: [isdf] 1. New Report: "Understanding WSIS" (Hans Klein)

2003-12-10 Thread Franck Martin
We have been talking about all that on [EMAIL PROTECTED] ISOC should play a fundamental role here. But let's face it: They cannot operate a mailing list They cannot operate a membership management system They cannot fix Internet technical issues to their local sites INET is a very low key con

Re: /48 micro allocations for v6 root servers, was: national security

2003-12-10 Thread Masataka Ohta
Bill Manning; % Expect to see routers being optimized that will only route % the upper 64bits of the address, so you might not want to do % anything smaller than that. This, if it happens, will be exactly opposed to the IPv6 design goal, which was to discourage/prohibit hardware/software desig

Re: Non terminated traffic...

2003-12-10 Thread Joe Abley
On 10 Dec 2003, at 19:04, Franck Martin wrote: Yes it is problem 2) and yes I realise it is difficult to solve. This is why I suggested a new RFC... Oh, maybe I misread. I thought you were talking about packets from bogus source addresses. Numerous ASes support a blackhole community attribut

RE: Non terminated traffic...

2003-12-10 Thread Franck Martin
Yes it is problem 2) and yes I realise it is difficult to solve. This is why I suggested a new RFC... Basically we are starting to see viruses and hackers probing our networks... What do we do about it to preserve the Internet badwidth? Cheers On Thu, 2003-12-11 at 11:48, bill wrote: So is

RE: Non terminated traffic...

2003-12-10 Thread bill
So is your problem 1) That you are seeing packets outside of your address range (x.y.z/24) in which case the upstream router incorrectly routed a packet over your link Or 2) That you have x.y.z/24 assigned to you, AND you are only using 10 of those address, and you are seeing packets for the other

Re: Non terminated traffic...

2003-12-10 Thread Joe Abley
On 10 Dec 2003, at 17:33, Franck Martin wrote: Apart from setting up ingress(?) filtering to ensure that these packets gets dropped before they go further, Google for "Unicast Reverse Path Filtering" (uRPF). The filter you describe above can be obtained by means of turning loose-mode uRPF on a b

Non terminated traffic...

2003-12-10 Thread Franck Martin
Another finding... A solution? I see that I receive a lot of non-terminated traffic. Meaning a packet for an IP that does not exists (about 10% inbound) Apart from setting up ingress(?) filtering to ensure that these packets gets dropped before they go further, I need to communicate with my upst

Re: just a brief note about anycast

2003-12-10 Thread Franck Martin
I thought he was sarcastic... :( My sincere apologies Kurtis... Cheers On Thu, 2003-12-11 at 10:30, Joe Abley wrote: > On 10 Dec 2003, at 16:49, Franck Martin wrote: > On Wed, 2003-12-10 at 19:34, Kurtis Lindqvist wrote: > > So my message to the developing countries, is that do not complain

Re: just a brief note about anycast

2003-12-10 Thread Franck Martin
I'm living for more than 10 years in a developing country, and I have worked all this time on ICT and GIS/RS for developing countries in an organisation created by 16 Pacific Islands Government. I have travelled extensively in all these countries and more. I'm not sure that it is your case, Ku

Re: just a brief note about anycast

2003-12-10 Thread jfcm
At 08:34 10/12/03, Kurtis Lindqvist wrote: There are also a lot of statements on what nations needs in terms of security and stability. At the same time other nations have solved that need with the existing model. And they have shared expereinces. IF that is the problem, there is knowledge to be us

Re: /48 micro allocations for v6 root servers, was: national security

2003-12-10 Thread Bill Manning
% We assign small networks to IXPs. % % The document has the following in it reflecting this: % % CIDR block Smallest RIPE NCCSmallest RIPE NCC % Allocation Assignment % 2001:0600::/23 /35 /48 % % Again, if people feel th

Re: /48 micro allocations for v6 root servers, was: national security

2003-12-10 Thread leo vegoda
Iljitsch van Beijnum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 10-dec-03, at 10:28, leo vegoda wrote: http://lacnic.net/en/chapter-4.html http://ftp.apnic.net/apnic/docs/ipv6-address-policy http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ipv6-policies.html http://www.arin.net/policy/ipv6_policy.html http://www.iana.org/ipaddre

Re: /48 micro allocations for v6 root servers, was: national security

2003-12-10 Thread leo vegoda
Iljitsch van Beijnum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 8-dec-03, at 21:00, Paul Vixie wrote: for example, bill says above that "/35 routes are being discouraged" and that's probably true but "by whom?" and "where?" It is generally understood in the routing community that some kind of prefix length f

Re: just a brief note about anycast

2003-12-10 Thread Bill Manning
% > this is not how TBDS works. % % May be giving us a URL to TBDS would help us to understand. http://www.isi.edu/~tbds % Is it compatible with existing user applications? most of them. % Thank you. % jfc % -- --bill Opinions expressed may not even be mine by the

Re: just a brief note about anycast

2003-12-10 Thread jfcm
At 20:46 09/12/03, Bill Manning wrote: % The main % criticism is that the "consenus" doesn't include the developing world. this is not how TBDS works. May be giving us a URL to TBDS would help us to understand. Is it compatible with existing user applications? Thank you. jfc

Re: /48 micro allocations for v6 root servers, was: national security

2003-12-10 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 10-dec-03, at 10:28, leo vegoda wrote: http://lacnic.net/en/chapter-4.html http://ftp.apnic.net/apnic/docs/ipv6-address-policy http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ipv6-policies.html http://www.arin.net/policy/ipv6_policy.html http://www.iana.org/ipaddress/ipv6-allocation-policy-26jun02 In fact, we h

Re: just a brief note about anycast

2003-12-10 Thread Kurtis Lindqvist
> So my message to the developing countries, is that do not complain to be > under-represented to bodies which have free/open membership. Just act. What strikes me in this thead is that there are a lot of people from the developed world, making statements on behalf of the develping world. Thanks

Re: just a brief note about anycast

2003-12-10 Thread Kurtis Lindqvist
> Put another way, there are 190 or so countries. There are, perhaps 30 or > so frequently represented on this list. There are fewer which have > control over the root, the TLDs and the RIRs. If you were in the The RIRs are under the control of the people that use the associated resources. - ku