Technical work and the definition of the IETF (Re: Things that I think obvious....)

2004-09-15 Thread Harald Tveit Alvestrand
--On tirsdag, september 14, 2004 22:39:25 -0400 John C Klensin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In more practical terms, while I agree that the people who do the technical work are a necessary condition for the IETF being meaningful, we certainly have people around who participate in the IETF, are

Re: archives (was The other parts of the report....

2004-09-15 Thread Kai Henningsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Braden) wrote on 13.09.04 in [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I have yet to see a coherent argument for keeping the ID series if it's archived publicly. Why do we need to see the entire process - in public - of editing and revision? And if we do, why do we need two separate

Re: An oversight function - composition thereof?

2004-09-15 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote: In the report, Scenario C has clearly identified the need for a board of directors as oversight function for the administrative entity. Margaret has also pointed out the need for such a function in scenarios A and B - and multiple people have made the point that

IETF 62 (was: Re: first steps)

2004-09-15 Thread Spencer Dawkins
We kind of went away from the first half of Harald/Scott's notes, which was From: scott bradner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Harald asks I feel some urgency to make sure that we have meeting arrangements in place for 2005 - without imperiling our ability to make the best long-term choices for the IETF.

Re: admin director (was The other parts of the report..)

2004-09-15 Thread Harald Tveit Alvestrand
--On tirsdag, september 14, 2004 16:14:42 +0300 Soininen Jonne (Nokia-NET/Helsinki) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everybody, I think before proceeding with hiring a person we should have a bit more discussion on the responsibilities and tasks for the admin director. I think Carl's proposal is

Re: IETF 62 (was: Re: first steps)

2004-09-15 Thread shogunx
How about one in Daytona Beach? On Wed, 15 Sep 2004, Spencer Dawkins wrote: We kind of went away from the first half of Harald/Scott's notes, which was From: scott bradner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Harald asks I feel some urgency to make sure that we have meeting arrangements in place

Re: Things that I think obvious....

2004-09-15 Thread Margaret Wasserman
Hi Harald, As you say below, clarity is good. So, before I respond to this post, I would like to better understand what you are asking... RFC 3716 includes the following section: 4.3. Who Can Decide The AdvComm believes that the IETF leadership, acting with the advice and consent of the

Re: IETF Administrative Reorganization: What was that problem anyway?

2004-09-15 Thread Carl Malamud
John - Would it be fair to summarize your note by saying it is a lightweight scenario A? E.g., simply take one action: hire an administrative director for the IETF and have that person live at ISOC. RFPs, budgets, etc... will all flow out of that initital action and there is no need for a

Re: Options for IETF administrative restructuring

2004-09-15 Thread John C Klensin
--On Tuesday, 07 September, 2004 11:35 -0700 Aaron Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 5, 2004, at 4:15 PM, Sam Hartman wrote: I do not think that recommendation 7 in scenario B is a good idea. I believe that plenary time is full enough without crowding it more. What about a

Re: Things that I think obvious....

2004-09-15 Thread Margaret Wasserman
In my previous response, I think I missed one important implied questions in your message: 3 - The community has accepted the problem description and principles laid out in RFC 3716. I'll interpret this statement as a question: As a member of the community, do I personally agree with the

Re: IETF Administrative Reorganization: What was that problem anyway?

2004-09-15 Thread John C Klensin
--On Wednesday, 15 September, 2004 06:59 -0700 Carl Malamud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John - Would it be fair to summarize your note by saying it is a lightweight scenario A? E.g., simply take one action: hire an administrative director for the IETF and have that person live at ISOC.

ISOC board meeting comes AFTER IETF meeting this time

2004-09-15 Thread Steve Crocker
(2) Is it generally understood that the ISOC BoT already usually meets on Saturday and/or Sunday before the IETF meetings and that those meetings are open? Usually yes, but in this particular case, I believe the ISOC Board of Trustees meeting is Nov 12-13, after the IETF meeting. If we want

Re: An oversight function - composition thereof?

2004-09-15 Thread John C Klensin
--On Wednesday, 15 September, 2004 11:10 +0200 Brian E Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... 3) What's an appropriate selection mechanism for that group? Firstly, I'd say that the IETF and IAB Chairs, and one other IESG and IAB member, should be included automatically. I also think that

Re: IETF Administrative Reorganization: What was that problem anyway?

2004-09-15 Thread Carl Malamud
John - Let me try again. I wasn't trying for debating points. It seems to me that you said that my report covered a lot of ground that doesn't need to be covered. And, that the overall focus of the administrative restructuring is misconceived, trying to solve a set of problems that don't

Re: IETF Administrative Reorganization: What was that problem anyway?

2004-09-15 Thread John C Klensin
--On Wednesday, 15 September, 2004 12:04 -0700 Carl Malamud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John - Let me try again. I wasn't trying for debating points. It seems to me that you said that my report covered a lot of ground that doesn't need to be covered. And, that the overall focus of the

Protocol Action: 'A Presence-based GEOPRIV Location Object Format' to Proposed Standard

2004-09-15 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document: - 'A Presence-based GEOPRIV Location Object Format ' draft-ietf-geopriv-pidf-lo-03.txt as a Proposed Standard This document is the product of the Geographic Location/Privacy Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Ted Hardie and Scott

Protocol Action: 'DHCP Subscriber ID Suboption for the DHCP Relay Agent Option' to Proposed Standard

2004-09-15 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document: - 'DHCP Subscriber ID Suboption for the DHCP Relay Agent Option ' draft-ietf-dhc-subscriber-id-07.txt as a Proposed Standard This document is the product of the Dynamic Host Configuration Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Margaret

Updates to IETF Secretariat Contact Information

2004-09-15 Thread IETF Secretariat
The IETF Secretariat has updated its points of contact list, the list of active e-mail addresses to be used when requesting information or assistance from the Secretariat staff. The updated points of contact list is included on the IETF Secretariat Web page