Rather than losing these reasonable thoughts, I stuck them in the
transition team Wiki under IAOC Instructions. They will be remembered.
Thanks, Sam!
--On 27. januar 2005 22:44 -0500 Sam Hartman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think we are very close here. I can live with Margaret's text with
Based on some offline conversations, I've concluded that perhaps Bob Kahn's
message highlighted a point about the current (-05) language about IPR
handling: It is a little implicit.
The current text says:
3. Structure of the IASA
The IASA is responsible for undertaking any and all required
This looks fine to me.
Margaret
At 11:33 AM +0100 1/31/05, Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote:
Lots of commentary on this one, some principle-based, some pointing
out where the text-as-written said something that was Obviously
Wrong.
I've tuned the text below to:
- Removed the para about metrics.
Harld admits and thinks:
I'm sure Jorge could phrase it better. but I think the meaning
is clear.
works for me
Scott
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Harald,
I still think this is a bad model, but I'm clearly (at least
among those who are speaking up) in the minority on that. With
one correction, and a last quibble, I think it is now at least
consistent enough that, if it causes problems, we can get to the
substance of them and fix it rather
Sam,
For whatever it is worth, I could not agree more with your
formulation. Although you have stated it better than I have, I
think our conclusions are much the same: trying to formalize all
of this and write into formal text just gets us tied into more
knots and risks edge cases and abuses that
At 10:10 31/01/2005, Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote:
Jefsey,
at most other times, I would not have commented on this at all. Today,
the day before we plan to cut the final version of this
document, it seems appropriate to comment on why your issues
Dear Harald,
If you want the IETF to continue,
I suggest we change the text in section 3 from:
The IASA is responsible for undertaking any and all required actions
that involve trademarks on behalf of the IETF.
to:
The IASA is responsible for managing all IPR, including but not
limited to trademarks, domain names, and copyrights,
Howdy,
I'm a little concerned about hacking the appeals path on the
fly (i.e., dropping the IESG and going straight to IAB), but
I can live with that.
WRT this:
Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote:
- Removed the para about metrics. That's not part of this section.
Could go under IAD responsibilities.
--On Monday, 31 January, 2005 14:00 -0500 Leslie Daigle
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Howdy,
I'm a little concerned about hacking the appeals path on the
fly (i.e., dropping the IESG and going straight to IAB), but
I can live with that.
WRT this:
Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote:
-
The IASA is responsible for managing all IPR, including but not
^^^
limited to trademarks, domain names, and copyrights, that belongs
to the IETF. It is responsible for undertaking any and
all required actions on behalf of the IETF to
Howdy,
I can't entirely agree with the argumentation, in part
because (and again this goes back to how the text first
appeared) metrics are useful to establish the state of
the system, whether to critique the state or simply
understand it. Appeal is only one form of critique.
That said -- I'm not
The current text I now have for this in my edit buffer os
as follows:
t
The IAOC members shall not receive any compensation
from the IASA, ISOC or IETF for their services as
members of the IAOC.
/t
OK?
Bert
-Original
Fine with me.
At 05:22 PM 1/31/2005, Wijnen, Bert (Bert) wrote:
The current text I now have for this in my edit buffer os
as follows:
t
The IAOC members shall not receive any compensation
from the IASA, ISOC or IETF for their services as
So (assuming 5/8 for now), the text would look like:
The Chair serves at the pleasure of the IAOC, and may be removed from
that position at any time by a vote of 5/8 of the voting IAOC members.
That is what I now have in my editing buffer.
OK?
Bert
-Original Message-
From:
Thanks. SO this is what I now have in my edit buffer:
t
The IASA is responsible for managing all IPR,
including but not limited to trademarks, domain names,
and copyrights, that belong to the IETF.
It is responsible for
- Please spell out intellectual property rights.
I think that IPR was defined elsewhere
- Domain names are not IPR.
For this purpose, I would treat them like IPR
- What about patents?
IETF should not be getting patents on anything.
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--On Monday, 31 January, 2005 16:04 -0500 Jeffrey Hutzelman
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The IASA is responsible for managing all IPR, including
but not
^^^
limited to trademarks, domain names, and copyrights, that
belongs to the IETF.
On Monday, January 31, 2005 06:24:46 PM -0500 Contreras, Jorge
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Domain names are not IPR.
For this purpose, I would treat them like IPR
I agree that the IASA should be responsible for managing them.
But it is dangerous for an IETF process document to use phrasing like
From Haralds latest text (below), the 2nd para reads:
In the case where someone questions whether a decision or action of the
IAD or the IAOC has been undertaken in accordance with IETF BCPs or
IASA operational guidelines (including the question of whether
appropriate
At 21:40 30/01/2005, Sam Hartman wrote:
JFC == JFC (Jefsey) Morfin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
JFC 2. ISOC is an international organization, yet
there is no
JFC indication about relations with ISOC local
chapters. For
JFC organizing local IETF lists, assisting with
IETF meetings,
JFC
--On tirsdag, februar 01, 2005 01:04:39 +0100 Wijnen, Bert (Bert)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From Haralds latest text (below), the 2nd para reads:
In the case where someone questions whether a decision or action of
the IAD or the IAOC has been undertaken in accordance with IETF BCPs
--On mandag, januar 31, 2005 23:56:27 +0100 Wijnen, Bert (Bert)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So (assuming 5/8 for now), the text would look like:
The Chair serves at the pleasure of the IAOC, and may be removed from
that position at any time by a vote of 5/8 of the voting IAOC members.
That
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