Re: Fw: Presence -Watcher clarification

2005-04-06 Thread Jonathan Rosenberg
These topics are being discussed in the simple working group. I'd suggest you direct future queries there as they are likely to result in a faster response. To briefly answer your question, a SUBSCRIBE is also used to query. The Expires header field is set to zero. This tells the presence serve

Re: Last Call: 'Scripting Media Types' to Informational RFC

2005-04-06 Thread Bruce Lilly
On Tue March 15 2005 16:24, The IESG wrote: > The IESG has received a request from an individual submitter to consider the > following document: > > - 'Scripting Media Types ' > as an Informational RFC > > The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits > final comments

Re: Last Call: 'Requirements for IETF Draft Submission Toolset' to Informational RFC

2005-04-06 Thread Scott W Brim
On 4/6/2005 11:20, Bruce Lilly allegedly wrote: > Using an XML-specific editor basically substitutes manually > typing tags by a search for a pointing device, selection from a menu, > etc. (avoiding typos while entering long tags, but interrupting the > mental flow of writing content to search for

Re: Voting Idea? (Was: Last Call: 'Requirements for IETF Draft Submission Toolset' to Informational RFC)

2005-04-06 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Wednesday, April 06, 2005 12:23:03 PM +0200 Jeroen Massar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Wed, 2005-04-06 at 11:52 +0200, Brian E Carpenter wrote: Well, I thought I'd try something daring. We have people arguing about xml versus nroff (again). If you write Internet Drafts, try this toy (and onl

Re: Last Call: 'Requirements for IETF Draft Submission Toolset' to Informational RFC

2005-04-06 Thread Bill Fenner
On Apr 6, 2005 7:10 AM, Alex Rousskov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 2005/04/06 (MDT), <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I have to admit that I use nroff about 75% of the time and XML about > > 25%, I'm much happier about the postscript/PDF output options from > > nroff than from XML, > > To be

Re: Last Call: 'Requirements for IETF Draft Submission Toolset' to Informational RFC

2005-04-06 Thread Bruce Lilly
> Date: 2005-04-06 10:03 > From: Pekka Savola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I can't understand why you basically say that nroff can be typed > manually, but XML requires an editor. > > I've never used an XML editor and have.. what, a couple of dozen > drafts, many of them RFCs already.   I've used so

Re: Last Call: 'Requirements for IETF Draft Submission Toolset' to Informational RFC

2005-04-06 Thread Eliot Lear
Bruce Lilly wrote: Not if the primary output is unusable. But maybe I missed your point... Yes. Don't like the software? Write your own... Eliot ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf

Re: Last Call: 'Requirements for IETF Draft Submission Toolset' to Informational RFC

2005-04-06 Thread Bill Fenner
On Apr 6, 2005 5:38 AM, Bruce Lilly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The biggest problem with XML editors is that they are unproductive. > Editing XML in all of the ones I've seen goes something like: > [mouse,icon,click,type a bit,mouse,...] I've found that I can mostly avoid the mouse using XMLmind'

Re: Last Call: 'Requirements for IETF Draft Submission Toolset' to Informational RFC

2005-04-06 Thread Bruce Lilly
On Wed April 6 2005 08:03, Eliot Lear wrote: > > Bruce Lilly wrote: > > > > > Such as line breaks in the middle of words, followed by loss of > > indentation? > > > > N.B. no smiley. > > So what? So if the primary purpose of a piece of software is to produce properly-formatted text documents,

Re: [Tools-discuss] Re: Last Call: 'Requirements for IETF Draft Submission Toolset' to Informational RFC

2005-04-06 Thread Julian Reschke
Bruce Lilly wrote: ... The number of text editors is very large and probably growing. The biggest problem with XML editors is that they are unproductive. Editing XML in all of the ones I've seen goes something like: 1. hunt for mouse 2. move cursor to nondescript icon and click 3. try to figure out

Fw: Presence -Watcher clarification

2005-04-06 Thread Rg
Hi   Greetings again   Could any one help in clarifying the below issue please?   Thanks GandhiSivakumar ProjectManager NM-Research, MBT,India - Original Message - From: Rg To: ietf@ietf.org Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 10:09 AM Subject: Presence -Watcher clarification Hi   Greet

Re: [Tools-discuss] Re: Last Call: 'Requirements for IETF Draft Submission Toolset' to Informational RFC

2005-04-06 Thread Pekka Savola
On Wed, 6 Apr 2005, Bruce Lilly wrote: A text editor -- any text editor -- suffices for nroff source. That includes vi, emacs, textpad (MS Windows), SiED (PalmOS), etc. In theory, there exist commercial XML editors for PalmOS, but I suspect thay they are less productive than the ones on other pla

Re: Last Call: 'Requirements for IETF Draft Submission Toolset' to Informational RFC

2005-04-06 Thread Bruce Lilly
On Tue April 5 2005 19:29, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Yes, but speaking from personal experience, that doesn't mean they'll use > _your_ nroff sources. True. But the opportunity is there. > Bruce, with all due respect, the effort you have expended on developing this > seems to me to be headed i

Re: Voting Idea? (Was: Last Call: 'Requirements for IETF DraftSubmission Toolset' to Informational RFC)

2005-04-06 Thread Brian E Carpenter
And I didn't say "voting"; that was Jeroen. The free site I found says "voting"; of course, what the IETF can use such things for is only straw polls. But in a case like the present one, I think that is a reasonable way of finding out what the centre of gravity of opinion is. In ASCII art:

RE: Voting Idea? (Was: Last Call: 'Requirements for IETF DraftSubmission Toolset' to Informational RFC)

2005-04-06 Thread Romascanu, Dan \(Dan\)
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Jeroen Massar > > On Wed, 2005-04-06 at 11:52 +0200, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > > Well, I thought I'd try something daring. We have people > > arguing about xml versus nroff (again). If you write Internet > > Drafts, try this toy (an

Re: Last Call: 'Requirements for IETF Draft Submission Toolset' to Informational RFC

2005-04-06 Thread Eliot Lear
Bruce Lilly wrote: Such as line breaks in the middle of words, followed by loss of indentation? N.B. no smiley. So what? The nice thing about an XML format is that if you don't like the representation you can change it without changing the source. Isn't that nice?! Eliot _

Re: Last Call: 'Requirements for IETF Draft Submission Toolset' to Informational RFC

2005-04-06 Thread Bruce Lilly
On Tue April 5 2005 23:56, Alex Rousskov wrote: > I suspect > there is something specific to xml2rfc plain text output that a simple > script can detect while grepping through the drafts archive. Such as line breaks in the middle of words, followed by loss of indentation? N.B. no smiley. __

Voting Idea? (Was: Last Call: 'Requirements for IETF Draft Submission Toolset' to Informational RFC)

2005-04-06 Thread Jeroen Massar
On Wed, 2005-04-06 at 11:52 +0200, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > Well, I thought I'd try something daring. We have people > arguing about xml versus nroff (again). If you write Internet > Drafts, try this toy (and only vote once, please...). > If the toy doesn't work, don't blame me... I just found th

Re: Last Call: 'Requirements for IETF Draft Submission Toolset' to Informational RFC

2005-04-06 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Well, I thought I'd try something daring. We have people arguing about xml versus nroff (again). If you write Internet Drafts, try this toy (and only vote once, please...). If the toy doesn't work, don't blame me... I just found the site with Google. http://www.internationalvoting.com/int3/ask.cgi?