Re: More pretty graphs

2005-05-17 Thread Frank Ellermann
Bill Fenner wrote in ietf.ietf.org: http://rtg.ietf.org/~fenner/ietf/deps/viz/ [...] Feedback is welcome. Nice. I know that I need glasses, but maybe you could arrange for bigger figures with a bigger font size ? I've tested... http://rtg.ietf.org/~fenner/ietf/deps/viz/usefor-norm.pdf

Re: More pretty graphs

2005-05-17 Thread Frank Ellermann
Bill Fenner wrote in ietf.ietf.org: http://rtg.ietf.org/~fenner/ietf/deps/viz/ [...] Feedback is welcome. Nice. I know that I need glasses, but maybe you could arrange for bigger figures with a bigger font size ? I've tested... http://rtg.ietf.org/~fenner/ietf/deps/viz/usefor-norm.pdf

Re: More pretty graphs

2005-05-17 Thread Bruce Lilly
Date: 2005-05-16 13:15 From: Bill Fenner [EMAIL PROTECTED] These graphs show inter-document dependencies(*) of all I-Ds that are working group documents, and one hop forwards and back - for example, if a foowg document depends on draft-fenner-great-stuff, then the individual draft shows

Re: Complaining about ADs to Nomcom (Re: Voting (again))

2005-05-17 Thread John Loughney
Title: Converted from Rich Text John, One thing that Danny's questionaire didn't address was "How many additional folks might consider putting their names in the hat if they knew the candidates. In past years, when I have gotten a request from NOMCOM to review the padded list, I've

Re: Uneccesary slowness.

2005-05-17 Thread Brian E Carpenter
John C Klensin wrote: ... In theory, 3932 changed almost nothing. The IESG asserted that it was not going to do what it had been barred from doing all along, which was holding up individual submissions (non-IETF documents) until they were rewritten to match the tastes and preferences of any

Re: Uneccesary slowness.

2005-05-17 Thread Thomas Narten
Well, there are always going to be judgement calls about whether something is or isn't an end-run, which is where I would expect discuss positions to come from on such documents. Process-wise, this isn't right, IMO (which is where I suspect John is coming from). Process-wise, the thing to do

Re: More pretty graphs

2005-05-17 Thread Bill Fenner
On 5/17/05, Frank Ellermann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nice. I know that I need glasses, but maybe you could arrange for bigger figures with a bigger font size ? Frank, I used PDF because most PDF viewers allow zooming and panning. I've left graphviz to decide on the layout itself, since for

Re: Uneccesary slowness.

2005-05-17 Thread Joe Touch
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thomas Narten wrote: Well, there are always going to be judgement calls about whether something is or isn't an end-run, which is where I would expect discuss positions to come from on such documents. Process-wise, this isn't right, IMO (which

Re: improving WG operation

2005-05-17 Thread Aaron Falk
--On May 1, 2005 9:04:12 AM -0700 Dave Crocker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: in general I think the issue is stricter meeting planning and management, where the goals and process are more explicit. Sorry for coming very late to this discussion. I might suggest scheduling a (preferably voice)

Proposed Elimination of Tombstone Files

2005-05-17 Thread IETF Secretariat
The IETF Chair is considering a proposal to eliminate tombstone files for Internet-Drafts that have expired, or that have been withdrawn or replaced. If the proposal is approved, then tombstones would no longer be created for such documents, and existing tombstones would be deleted from the

Protocol Action: 'GSAKMP: Group Secure Association Group Management Protocol' to Proposed Standard

2005-05-17 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document: - 'GSAKMP: Group Secure Association Group Management Protocol ' draft-ietf-msec-gsakmp-sec-10.txt as a Proposed Standard This document is the product of the Multicast Security Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Russ Housley and Sam