Hi, Philip,
Our mileages probably vary (welcome to the IETF, variable mileage is
how we know we're here!), but ...
In the working group chair training, we point out that the most
important thing working group chairs do, and the only responsibility
they can't delegate, is declaration of
Exactly what kind of conditions does the
kitchen have that a baby cockroach would make it into the salad?
I am really confused by this thread.
The restaurant provided a special version of the dish, with an added
ingredient and extra nutrients, and did not charge EXTRA???
my 2 cents as well:
And whether or not people mention their affiliate at the mic is a
much smaller issue IMO to whether they use their company email
account. That is a much more visible and relevant label in IETF work
that mostly happens on mailing lists anyway.
I believe that its good to
At this IETF, we have done a nice experiment with the modified
schedule of our meetings for the purpose of dealing with restaurant
hours.
From the first 2.5 days, I find this an extremely useful thing
and we should consider to organize out future meetings in a
similar fashion.
There are
I agree completely. I have always found the 7:30-10PM slots to be
suboptimal even when I haven't crossed a lot of timezones. The standard
2.5 hour morning slots also are painful (almost all other meetings have a
mid-morning break). I think we should strongly consider retaining this
week's
Joerg Ott wrote:
At this IETF, we have done a nice experiment with the modified
schedule of our meetings for the purpose of dealing with restaurant
hours.
From the first 2.5 days, I find this an extremely useful thing
and we should consider to organize out future meetings in a
similar fashion.
On Wed, Aug 03, 2005 at 12:38:28PM +0200, Joerg Ott wrote:
What do other people think?
Add an extra 15 mins for lunch, it makes it so less 'rushed'.
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On Wed, Aug 03, 2005 at 11:44:44AM +0100, Tim Chown wrote:
On Wed, Aug 03, 2005 at 12:38:28PM +0200, Joerg Ott wrote:
What do other people think?
I think it's a big improvement, I would really like to see this too.
And yes, late session Monday night are really tough when you have
a jet lag.
Strongly agree! I was making this observation to some folks after the
first day: Not having to worry about meetings after dinner is a great
thing!
Lakshminath
Joerg Ott wrote:
At this IETF, we have done a nice experiment with the modified
schedule of our meetings for the purpose of
On Aug 03 2005, at 12:38 Uhr, Joerg Ott wrote:
we should consider to organize out future meetings in a
similar fashion.
Yes, yes, yes!
Another really useful feature here in Paris were the tables for sit-
down breakfast.
Result: Productive breakfast meetings.
Gruesse, Carsten
Fully agree. Actually I suggested this when offering Madrid to host it
already more than 3.5 years ago, because in some places (like Spain), you
can't get lunch before 13:30 or so, and no way to get dinner before 20:30.
One more suggestion could be to do the social on Thursday and move the
Well, the one that really pushes my button is when someone, probably
a vendor, but even sometimes an operator, comes to the mic and says
The Really Big SDO needs this work. Its impossible to know if this
person has any official standing at the Really Big SDO, or if it is
a possition that that
I agree completely; I've had trouble with evening sessions for a
couple of years now, and find this schedule MUCH easier to manage.
Bill
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This is EXACTLY my experience, too. I've been able to grab a BUNCH of
people that I needed to talk to, every morning this week so far.
Another really useful feature here in Paris were the tables for sit-
down breakfast.
Result: Productive breakfast meetings.
Gruesse, Carsten
I agree on
I haven't heard *any* negative comments so far. We will attempt
a systematic survey to be sure.
Brian
Joerg Ott wrote:
At this IETF, we have done a nice experiment with the modified
schedule of our meetings for the purpose of dealing with restaurant
hours.
From the first 2.5 days, I find
Spencer Dawkins wrote:
That would be fine, if I changed the Newcomer's Orientation :-)
That computes.
Brian
Spencer
Spencer,
However, many people here are not using their 'individual money' to
get here in Paris. Our name badges list our employers (in most
cases). I think its a
At 09:11 03/08/2005, Spencer Dawkins wrote:
Hi, Philip,
Our mileages probably vary (welcome to the IETF, variable mileage is how
we know we're here!), but ...
In the working group chair training, we point out that the most important
thing working group chairs do, and the only responsibility
On 08/03/2005 13:39 PM, Brian E Carpenter allegedly wrote:
I haven't heard *any* negative comments so far. We will attempt
a systematic survey to be sure.
Sorry to disappoint you :-)
It's absolutely the right thing to do in Paris where restaurants
aren't open until 7:30, but I don't like going
Hi -
From: Joerg Ott [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Aug 3, 2005 12:38 PM
To: ietf@ietf.org
Subject: Keeping this IETF's schedule in the future...?
At this IETF, we have done a nice experiment with the modified
schedule of our meetings for the purpose of dealing with restaurant
hours.
From the
I am sure large corporations would be more careful at sending their
high-order IQ if they known that their inputs will tagged with the
company name.
What a wonderful world it would be, if that were true...
I'm pretty sure that less than 0.001 percent of the management teams
at my IETF
--On 3. august 2005 12:53 +0300 John Loughney [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
my 2 cents as well:
And whether or not people mention their affiliate at the mic is a
much smaller issue IMO to whether they use their company email
account. That is a much more visible and relevant label in IETF work
I'm with the folks that like this schedule. it's great being done for the
evening before dinner - it makes for a much more relaxed meal, and you
don't have to worry about going too far from the meeting. I also remember
that the Adelaide meeting, at least half of the people in the Monday night
Lunch is too late, though that might be mitigated by
providing food at the mid-morning break.
That might be nice indeed.
The lunch break is too long.
Well, 11:30--13:00 appears to be as long as 12:30--14:00. Unless
you find the lunch break generally too long. I think it has been
On Aug 3, 2005, at 14:40, Andrew G. Malis wrote:
I'm with the folks that like this schedule.
Since we're counting, me too.
Lars
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As a quasi-permanent time-zone challenged participant, I agree with
Andy. I like this schedule much better, and I am all in favor having
dinner (or going to sleep directly) after the last session in the
evening.
Dan
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From: John C Klensin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
At the risk of providing an irritating counterexample or two...
Please explain this to almost every wireless carrier in the
world, especially those offering 3G or similar
Internet-based data services. Established actors, significant
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Lakshminath Dondeti writes:
Strongly agree! I was making this observation to some folks after the
first day: Not having to worry about meetings after dinner is a great
thing!
I did notice fewer people in the bar than usual. Given how much work
gets done at bar
On Wed, 3 Aug 2005, Steven M. Bellovin wrote:
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tim Chown writes:
On Wed, Aug 03, 2005 at 12:38:28PM +0200, Joerg Ott wrote:
What do other people think?
Add an extra 15 mins for lunch, it makes it so less 'rushed'.
That would be a very good idea.
Personally,
Hi -
From: Joerg Ott [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Aug 3, 2005 2:40 PM
To: Randy Presuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: ietf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: Keeping this IETF's schedule in the future...?
...
Well, 11:30--13:00 appears to be as long as 12:30--14:00. Unless
you find the lunch break generally too
Spencer Dawkins wrote:
Well, the one that really pushes my button is when someone, probably a
vendor, but even sometimes an operator, comes to the mic and says The
Really Big SDO needs this work. Its impossible to know if this person
has any official standing at the Really Big SDO, or if it is
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Lars Eggert wr
ites:
On Aug 3, 2005, at 15:04, Steven M. Bellovin wrote:
I did notice fewer people in the bar than usual. Given how much work
gets done at bar bofs, that's significant.
Might be the prices. The La Fayette is still tolerable, but the Le
Meridien
On Aug 3, 2005, at 15:04, Steven M. Bellovin wrote:
I did notice fewer people in the bar than usual. Given how much work
gets done at bar bofs, that's significant.
Might be the prices. The La Fayette is still tolerable, but the Le
Meridien is ridiculous, esp. if the band plays - 23EUR for
Steve,
I did notice fewer people in the bar than usual. Given how much work
gets done at bar bofs, that's significant.
I suspect that's due to what they charge in the hotel bar more than
anything else! :-)
Andy
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The bar at the top of La Fayette has similar prices - first drink after
9:30pm is 21.50 E, second and so on is 15E or so.
OTOH if we could get wireless at James Joyce I'd be over there mostly
Mike
At 09:14 AM 8/3/2005, Steven M. Bellovin wrote:
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Lars
Eggert
I too am in favor of the new schedule.
As for the length of lunch. I believe that 1.5 hours is appropriate at
most venues at which it is possible to obtain relatively fast meal
service. Here in Paris, it appears that lunch at many of the
restaurants really requires closer to 2 hours just in
I very much like the new schedule.
Regards
Marshall Eubanks
On Aug 3, 2005, at 6:38 AM, Joerg Ott wrote:
At this IETF, we have done a nice experiment with the modified
schedule of our meetings for the purpose of dealing with restaurant
hours.
From the first 2.5 days, I find this an extremely
In your previous mail you wrote:
What do other people think?
= as an European I strongly agree!
Thanks
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PS: the key point is restaurants serve after 8pm... This can be an
issue in some places in winter.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I did notice fewer people in the bar than usual. Given how
much work gets done at bar bofs, that's significant.
I suspect that's due to what they charge in the hotel bar more
than anything else! :-)
To
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], John C Klensin writes:
--On Wednesday, August 03, 2005 09:16 -0400 Andrew G. Malis
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I did notice fewer people in the bar than usual. Given how
much work gets done at bar bofs, that's significant.
I suspect that's due to what they
On 08/03/2005 15:36 PM, John C Klensin allegedly wrote:
PS: the key point is restaurants serve after 8pm... This can
be an issue in some places in winter.
Of course, we could make that -- which really should be “restaurants
serve after 9PM” to allow for meetings running over or the need
Behalf Of Spencer Dawkins
Call me a dreamer, but if there's one voice (which may or may not be
from another planet) in a working group, the chair's
responsibility is
to decide if this is one of the hopefully rare cases where one voice
SHOULD derail apparent consensus, and if it's not -
Agree with Scott.
Also, one of the interesting side effects already alluded to by I think
Steve B: Evening sessions had the benefit/curse of having people come back
to the site after dinner. The lack of that as well as the somewhat
unfriendly (cost wise/ location relative to site wise) bar
Behalf Of Brian E Carpenter
These communities may not even be SDOs - they can be operator
consortia,
vendor consortia, industry consortia, or Lord knows what.
Ah, but those we can simply treat as individual
contributions, because there is no reason to do otherwise.
For the cases
IETF'ers,
I would like to raise an issue with everyone in Paris using the
IPv6 support provided by France Telecom and the volunteer NOC
squad. There are a few rogue client nodes advertising themselves
as IPv6 routers. Here is a list of the guilty parties:
1. MAC = 00:05:4E:43:51:AA
Original message
From: Joerg Ott [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Keeping this IETF's schedule in the future...?
What do other people think?
One downside to the early schedule: I'm listening in from UT+4
and can catch only the late sessions.
The live streaming is working great, btw: much
At 14:16 03/08/2005, Spencer Dawkins wrote:
I am sure large corporations would be more careful at sending their
high-order IQ if they known that their inputs will tagged with the
company name.
What a wonderful world it would be, if that were true...
I'm pretty sure that less than 0.001
... *definitely* food, and without stringent flow controls
on the caffeine.
Not being a caffeine user, I hadn't noticed this one. But I've found
the lack of water and the flow controls on it disturbing.
At 16:43 today, 13 minutes into the break, I could not find water in
the break area at
Brian Haberman wrote:
IETF'ers,
I would like to raise an issue with everyone in Paris using the
IPv6 support provided by France Telecom and the volunteer NOC
squad. There are a few rogue client nodes advertising themselves
as IPv6 routers. Here is a list of the guilty parties:
SNIP
--On Wednesday, August 03, 2005 11:33 -0400 Samuel Weiler
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Not being a caffeine user, I hadn't noticed this one. But
I've found the lack of water and the flow controls on it
disturbing.
At 16:43 today, 13 minutes into the break, I could not find
water in the break
That's an easy one. It's because you're in Europe where the paradigm if
you will of water is different. I think explicit arrangements would need to
be made, while in the US water would be a given.
T
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Samuel
Behalf Of Samuel Weiler
Not being a caffeine user, I hadn't noticed this one. But
I've found the lack of water and the flow controls on it disturbing.
At 16:43 today, 13 minutes into the break, I could not find
water in the break area at all. They seemed to have found
some a few
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Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 2:16 PM
Subject: Re: I'm not the microphone police, but ...
I am sure large corporations would be more careful at sending their
Title: project management (from Town Hall meeting)
I didn't want to hold up everyone's dinner,
so I joined the discussion list in order to comment
on both Henning's remarks and one of Brian's slides.
The slide said something like we are good at designing
pieces but not at the big complex
In a restaurant don't say tap water say carafe d'eau or eau plate
(flat water). It should work.
jfc
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This conjecture was disturbing, but calling it a feature was even more
disturbing. After a bit of pondering, and wondering what different
groups in the IETF might mean by complex, my first thought was that
the IETF has never, ever solved one. For example, we do QoS in small
pieces that don't fit
The IESG has approved the following document:
- 'Datagram Congestion Control Protocol (DCCP) '
draft-ietf-dccp-spec-11.txt as a Proposed Standard
This document is the product of the Datagram Congestion Control Protocol
Working Group.
The IESG contact persons are Allison Mankin and Jon
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