Re: Update: IETF Trust Consensus Call

2005-11-27 Thread Harald Tveit Alvestrand
--On mandag, november 28, 2005 12:41:43 +1100 Geoff Huston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The virtual consensus question I responded to last week was along the lines of "Is this the best of all possible outcomes for the IETF's IPR?", and my response was "no, I do not believe so". In making that

RE: [dhcwg] DHCP and FQDN conflicts [Re: Last Call: 'Resolution of FQDN Conflicts among DHCP Clients' to Proposed Standard]

2005-11-27 Thread Bernie Volz \(volz\)
Pekka: Regarding your one major issue, the updater is NOT the entity that gets to decide whether to allow any DNS update to occur or not. It is the DNS server that restricts who can do updates and what they can update. We're assuming that the most likely entity to be given fairly open access to a

RE: [dhcwg] Re: DHCID and the use of MD5 [Re: Last Call: 'Resolution of FQDN Conflicts among DHCP Clients' to Proposed Standard]

2005-11-27 Thread Bernie Volz \(volz\)
This would, as Ted indicates, greatly complicate the entire update sequence. The current update sequence (see draft-ietf-dhc-ddns-resolution-10.txt), never does a query of the RRs in the server. Therefore, either we'd have to do a query first to obtain the DHCID RR and extract the algorithm so we c

Re: Update: IETF Trust Consensus Call

2005-11-27 Thread Geoff Huston
* I infer that the IAOC has concluded that the present draft agreement is about as good as we are going to get, at least without abandoning this path, discarding the work of the last nine or ten months, and trying something else entirely. The inference

Re: Update: IETF Trust Consensus Call

2005-11-27 Thread John C Klensin
--On Saturday, 26 November, 2005 22:16 +0100 Stephane Bortzmeyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Nov 26, 2005 at 04:28:50AM -0500, > John C Klensin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote > a message of 113 lines which said: > >> The IAOC has concluded that this trust arrangement is, on >> balance in

Re: DHCID and the use of MD5 [Re: Last Call: 'Resolution of FQDN Conflicts among DHCP Clients' to Proposed Standard]

2005-11-27 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Steven" == Steven M Bellovin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I'm currently writing a discuss on the md5 issue. At a minimum you will need to specify the complexity in order to deal with changing hash algorithms. Steven> More generally... The currently-known attacks on MD5 are Steven

Re: EARLY submission deadline (Re: XML2RFC submission (was Re: ASCII art))

2005-11-27 Thread Harald Tveit Alvestrand
Speaking not so much to the deadline in particular, but to the concept of "rules versus judgments" --On lørdag, november 26, 2005 11:39:22 -0800 Dave Crocker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: To begin: 1. A problem working group is not fixed by imposing arbitrary rules and deadlines on it. 2.

Re: XML2RFC submission (was Re: ASCII art)

2005-11-27 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote: ... The last requirement (boilerplate) was done on legal advice, and after discussions in the IPR WG that are much too voluminous for me to even remember it may be an unwise decision, but it was a very public one. Judging by the occasional arrival of legal le

RE: XML2RFC submission (was Re: ASCII art)

2005-11-27 Thread Harald Tveit Alvestrand
--On 26. november 2005 03:58 -0500 John C Klensin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Just to clarify: there are no number of lines or number of columns requirements for submitting Internet Drafts. It is acceptable to turn in unpaginated plain text, and the number of columns is only required for ASCII

Re: EARLY submission deadline (Re: XML2RFC submission (was Re: ASCII art))

2005-11-27 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Doug Royer wrote: Dave Crocker wrote: ... To elaborate: Is is ever valid for a working group to want to post a new draft late in the game, very near -- or even during -- and IETF meeting? The answer is clearly yes, which is why working groups route around the IETF's arbitrary deadline i