Re: Comments on draft-iab-rfc-editor: IETF control

2006-06-01 Thread Eliot Lear
Margaret Wasserman wrote: If an AD or the IESG makes a mistake, there is also an appeals mechanism available. There isn't any documented appeals mechanism for IAB decisions. Should there be? Depends for what. Standards related actions? Sure. Contracts and liaison decisions? No, other

Re: Last Call: 'A Process Experiment in Normative Reference Handling' to Experimental RFC (draft-klensin-norm-ref)

2006-06-01 Thread Eric Rosen
The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. If the individual submission is approved as an Experimental RFC, does that mean that the IETF will adopt the proposed experiment? If so, I don't think this draft should be approved.

Re: Last Call: 'A Process Experiment in Normative Reference Handling' to Experimental RFC (draft-klensin-norm-ref)

2006-06-01 Thread John C Klensin
--On Thursday, 01 June, 2006 10:49 -0400 Eric Rosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. If the individual submission is approved as an Experimental RFC, does that mean that the IETF will adopt

RE: Last Call: 'A Process Experiment in Normative Reference Handl ing' to Experimental RFC (draft-klensin-norm-ref)

2006-06-01 Thread Gray, Eric
John, In your choices below, choice i and ii are not quite separable. In the do nothing mode i, eventual advancement required to de-queue the would-be Draft Standard will only happen if choice ii is in effect. In other words, choice ii is effectively the same as choice i except that the

RE: Last Call: 'A Process Experiment in Normative Reference Handl ing' to Experimental RFC (draft-klensin-norm-ref)

2006-06-01 Thread Gray, Eric
Eric (Rosen), Irrespective of opinions about the nature of the current process, if one RFC is advanced significantly ahead of another one that it has a normative dependency on, it is possible that the state of the art will migrate between one advancement, and the other. In the

Re: Last Call: 'A Process Experiment in Normative Reference Handling' to Experimental RFC (draft-klensin-norm-ref)

2006-06-01 Thread Eric Rosen
that text is not derogatory, but a simply statement of fact. Sorry, but however you may try to talk your way out of it, a statement like that technology may be unstable is derogatory. Until and unless the definitions of maturity levels are changed, that text is not derogatory, but a

Re: LC on draft-mankin-pub-req-08.txt

2006-06-01 Thread Joel M. Halpern
Reading this, a few items caught my eye. The POSTEDIT requirements seem to be worded as if it is desirable to minimize the changes that the document editor makes, or even the changes the document editor can make. The general tone of don't mess with the words we have carefully honed is

Re: [TLS] Review of draft-housley-tls-authz-extns-05

2006-06-01 Thread Angelos D. Keromytis
Folks, in the interest of keeping it simple, I withdraw the proposed text -- I'll just submit a follow up paper using Russ's draft as a template. -Angelos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Russ, I don't think this is good use of informative text. Other standards bodies often mark some sections of a

IETF, IAB, RFC-Editor

2006-06-01 Thread RJ Atkinson
Previously, someone wrote: I finished reading the RFC editor document and have one major concern. Ultimately, the rfc-editor function needs to be accountable to the IETF community because we're the ones paying for it. Incorrect. As I pointed out some weeks ago, and Leslie has recently

Re: [Techspec] RFC Author Count and IPR

2006-06-01 Thread bmanning
On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 06:42:06AM -0700, Lucy E. Lynch wrote: On Thu, 25 May 2006, Harald Alvestrand wrote: Lucy E. Lynch wrote: Let me try re-stating my question. Is there a one-to-one relationship between the listed authors on an IETF document and ownership of the given document's

RE: Last Call: Proposed 2008 - 2010 IETF Meeting Calendar

2006-06-01 Thread Eastlake III Donald-LDE008
I'd like to second this. The adjacent IETF and IEEE 802 meeting in Vancouver in November 2005 was quite convenient and cost saving for me. As long as they are adjacent in time and on the same continent, there are savings. It is much better if they are in the same city. And, I suspect, if things

Re: The Emperor Has No Clothes: Is PANA actually useful?,

2006-06-01 Thread Subir Das
I have read both PANA protocol and PANA framework drafts. I understand the concept and it seems to me an useful protocol. In particular, EAP over IP is necessary, IMO, and my understanding is that PANA base protocol is all about EAP over IP. The framework document should be an informational

Re: The Emperor Has No Clothes: Is PANA actually useful?

2006-06-01 Thread Basavaraj Patil
Dave Crocker wrote: I would find it particularly helpful to have a concise statement from someone who says that PANA will not work. Cannot be implemented (properly) by virtue of technical errors or documentation too confusing to understand. Or cannot be deployed and used, by virtue of

RE: LC on draft-mankin-pub-req-08.txt

2006-06-01 Thread Gray, Eric
Joel, Please see my comments below... -- Eric -- -Original Message- -- From: Joel M. Halpern [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 4:11 PM -- To: ietf@ietf.org -- Subject: Re: LC on draft-mankin-pub-req-08.txt -- -- Reading this, a few items caught my

RE: LC on draft-mankin-pub-req-08.txt

2006-06-01 Thread Bob Braden
* *Bearing in mind that asking someone to refrain from * doing something is a far cry from prohibiting it, see my * comment above. * Sorry, I don't get that fine distinction. Are you saying, Don't do your job most of the time? Wierdness abounds here. Bob Braden

RE: LC on draft-mankin-pub-req-08.txt

2006-06-01 Thread Gray, Eric
Bob, Weirdness? No part of the RFC Editor's job has ever involved deliberate modification of text that reflects a carefully crafted compromise position. In the past, when any such modification has occurred inadvertently, it would usually have been reversed during an Auth48.

RE: LC on draft-mankin-pub-req-08.txt

2006-06-01 Thread Bob Braden
* * People should refrain from allowing their passion for precise * terminology usage to prevent essential communication from * ever taking place * That statement incorporates an assumption that is not true. I vaguely recall that you can prove anything starting from a false

RE: LC on draft-mankin-pub-req-08.txt

2006-06-01 Thread Gray, Eric
Bob, To me, this is a perfectly sensible discussion, and my analogy was perfectly reasonable. Joel suggested that refraining from making changes that might result in altering phraseology that was carefully arrived at was effectively prohibiting the technical editor from doing the

Internet-Drafts Submission Cutoff Dates for the 66th IETF Meeting in Montreal, Quebec, Canada

2006-06-01 Thread ietf-secretariat
There are two (2) Internet-Draft cutoff dates for the 66th IETF Meeting in Montreal, Quebec, Canada: June 19th: Cutoff Date for Initial (i.e., version -00) Internet-Draft Submissions All initial Internet-Drafts (version -00) must be submitted by Monday, June 19th at 9:00 AM ET. As always,

Last Call: 'Operation of Anycast Services' to BCP (draft-ietf-grow-anycast)

2006-06-01 Thread The IESG
The IESG has received a request from the Global Routing Operations WG to consider the following document: - 'Operation of Anycast Services ' draft-ietf-grow-anycast-03.txt as a BCP The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please