Re: [Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-carpenter-newtrk-questions-00.txt]

2006-06-11 Thread Keith Moore
My perception is that often in the IETF, protocol and process design works best that codifies and regularizes what is already being deployed. I disagree with this characterization. If a protocol that is already being deployed is well-designed, IETF generally does a good job of documenting it

Re: draft-carpenter-newtrk-questions

2006-06-11 Thread Douglas Otis
On Sun, 2006-06-11 at 09:04 -0400, Keith Moore wrote: The general circumstances under which IETF has trouble designing new protocols are either or both of these: 1. When there are substantial conflicts between major industry players about strategic direction in that area. 2. When the

RE: Comments on draft-iab-rfc-editor: IETF control

2006-06-11 Thread Margaret Wasserman
Hi Mike, For your quote let's insert a single word in the key sentence for. The Internet Society, on behalf of the IETF, has contracted [for] the RFC Editor function to the Networking Division of the USC Information Sciences Institute (ISI) in Marina del Rey, CA. See my point? Not

RE: Comments on draft-iab-rfc-editor: IETF control

2006-06-11 Thread Joel M. Halpern
May I suggest a different set of questions, on the independent list? Instead of arguing about what the RFC Editor is, or who created, defines, or controls it, lets try to figure out whether we need to change the current situation, and if so what changes we need to make. 1) Does John Klensin's

RE: Comments on draft-iab-rfc-editor: IETF control

2006-06-11 Thread Margaret Wasserman
Hi Joel, I don't think that the document that Mike and I have been discussing is the same one that you're talking about... The one we've been discussing is draft-iab-rfc-editor-00.txt, which is an RFC Editor charter proposed by the IAB, with Leslie Daigle acting as editor. The document that

RE: Comments on draft-iab-rfc-editor: IETF control

2006-06-11 Thread Joel M. Halpern
I would agree that folks should read all three documents. However, as far as I can tell, Mike's concerns with draft-iab-rfc-editor all revolve around the status and support of independent contributions. It would seem much more effective to resolve that view, and then discuss the exact wording