Re: Last Call: 'Domain Suffix Option for DHCPv6' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-dnsdomain)

2006-09-27 Thread Stig Venaas
Frank Ellermann wrote: Fred Baker wrote: [domain suffix] It is the new-speak for use when all us ancient geeky types would prefer TLD. It's what a client might add to it's hostname to form an FQDN. Typically also used as domain search path by many systems if no explicit search path is

Re: Last Call: 'Domain Suffix Option for DHCPv6' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-dnsdomain)

2006-09-27 Thread John C Klensin
--On Wednesday, 27 September, 2006 09:19 +0200 Stig Venaas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frank Ellermann wrote: Fred Baker wrote: [domain suffix] It is the new-speak for use when all us ancient geeky types would prefer TLD. It's what a client might add to it's hostname to form an FQDN.

Re: Last Call: 'Domain Suffix Option for DHCPv6' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-dnsdomain)

2006-09-27 Thread Stig Venaas
John C Klensin wrote: --On Wednesday, 27 September, 2006 09:19 +0200 Stig Venaas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frank Ellermann wrote: Fred Baker wrote: [domain suffix] It is the new-speak for use when all us ancient geeky types would prefer TLD. It's what a client might add to it's

Re: Last Call: 'Domain Suffix Option for DHCPv6' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-dnsdomain)

2006-09-27 Thread Frank Ellermann
Stig Venaas wrote: In the context of this draft, the term domain suffix is not meant to be just the TLD. If domain suffix generally means, or is thought of as, just the TLD, then the draft should use some other term instead. The term is okay if you mention that it's supposed to be one or

Re: Last Call: 'Domain Suffix Option for DHCPv6' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-dnsdomain)

2006-09-27 Thread John C Klensin
--On Wednesday, 27 September, 2006 11:33 +0200 Frank Ellermann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stig Venaas wrote: In the context of this draft, the term domain suffix is not meant to be just the TLD. If domain suffix generally means, or is thought of as, just the TLD, then the draft should use

Re: Last Call: 'Domain Suffix Option for DHCPv6' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-dnsdomain)

2006-09-27 Thread Jefsey_Morfin
Stig, in the MDRS project my group works on to support multilingual distributed referential systems we use the concept of Usage Level Domain which may have a problem with your usage of suffix. suffix the usual/legal term used for the TLD in many non technical/general languages. I tend to

Re: Last Call: 'Domain Suffix Option for DHCPv6' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-dnsdomain)

2006-09-27 Thread Dave Crocker
Fred Baker wrote: Sorry, probably that's all obvious, but where is [domain suffix] defined ? At the Verisign site. It is the new-speak for use when all us ancient geeky types would prefer TLD. Not quite. A TLD is the right most (visible) field, like com, net, my or us, whereas a

Re: Last Call: 'Domain Suffix Option for DHCPv6' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-dnsdomain)

2006-09-27 Thread John C Klensin
--On Wednesday, 27 September, 2006 06:49 -0700 Dave Crocker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fred Baker wrote: Sorry, probably that's all obvious, but where is [domain suffix] defined ? At the Verisign site. It is the new-speak for use when all us ancient geeky types would prefer TLD.

Re: Last Call: 'Domain Suffix Option for DHCPv6' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-dnsdomain)

2006-09-27 Thread Dave Crocker
John C Klensin wrote: Dave, unfortunately, if suffix is formally defined, I haven't been able to find it. Right. I was not intending to suggest that the specification was acceptable, and apologize for not making that clear. I was merely noting that the construct only made sense in

Re: Re: Last Call: 'Domain Suffix Option for DHCPv6' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-dnsdomain)

2006-09-27 Thread Bill Fenner
On 9/27/06, Dave Crocker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2. It does not specify any syntactic detail for the domain suffix field of the DHCP option. Is it a dotted ascii string? Some other encoding? While I was confused too as to what this option is intended to be used for, I think that The

Re: Last Call: 'Domain Suffix Option for DHCPv6' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-dnsdomain)

2006-09-27 Thread Dave Crocker
Bill Fenner wrote: While I was confused too as to what this option is intended to be used for, I think that The domain suffix in the 'domain suffix' field ... MUST be encoded as specified in the section of RFC3315 titled Representation and use of domain names. sufficiently specifies

Re: Last Call: 'Domain Suffix Option for DHCPv6' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-dnsdomain)

2006-09-27 Thread David W. Hankins
I'm not sure why this discussion has broken out on [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is it not better for iesg@ and [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 08:41:27AM -0700, Dave Crocker wrote: as John noted, the term item is not defined, so we don't know how many labels (dns fields) are permitted. This

Re: Last Call: 'Domain Suffix Option for DHCPv6' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-dnsdomain)

2006-09-27 Thread Matt Larson
On Tue, 26 Sep 2006, Fred Baker wrote: On Sep 26, 2006, at 1:15 PM, Frank Ellermann wrote: Sorry, probably that's all obvious, but where is [domain suffix] defined ? At the Verisign site. It is the new-speak for use when all us ancient geeky types would prefer TLD. I fail to see the

zone is not a DNS name semantic

2006-09-27 Thread Dave Crocker
David W. Hankins wrote: I am, however, a little skeptical at how useful it is going to be to define the term 'domain name suffix'. I suspect the author of this draft started by calling them 'zone suffixes' and was asked by DNS zones are an administrative construct, not a user-visible naming

Re: Last Call: 'Domain Suffix Option for DHCPv6' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-dnsdomain)

2006-09-27 Thread Harald Alvestrand
FWIW, domain suffix is used in RFC 3263, 3588, 4183 and 4620. In none of these documents does it seem that the author has seen a requirement for a definition; a domain name that is intended to be used as a suffix of a complete domain name seems to be the implied definition. A pity that

Re: Comments on draft-dusseault-caldav-15 and draft-newman-i18n-comparator-14

2006-09-27 Thread bmanning
On Mon, Sep 25, 2006 at 11:07:32AM -0700, Lisa Dusseault wrote: On Sep 23, 2006, at 2:20 AM, Julian Reschke wrote: But as a matter of fact, draft-newman-i18n-comparator-14 doesn't define any collations that would actually solve the Unicode NF issue, so it's not really clear how this

Re: Last Call: 'Domain Suffix Option for DHCPv6' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-dnsdomain)

2006-09-27 Thread Matt Larson
Harald, On Wed, 27 Sep 2006, Harald Alvestrand wrote: FWIW, domain suffix is used in RFC 3263, 3588, 4183 and 4620. In none of these documents does it seem that the author has seen a requirement for a definition; a domain name that is intended to be used as a suffix of a complete domain

Re: Last Call: 'Domain Suffix Option for DHCPv6' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-dnsdomain)

2006-09-27 Thread John C Klensin
--On Wednesday, 27 September, 2006 09:52 -0700 David W. Hankins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure why this discussion has broken out on [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is it not better for iesg@ and [EMAIL PROTECTED] Because Last Call announcements invite such discussion. Some people tend to go to

Re: Last Call: 'Domain Suffix Option for DHCPv6' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-dnsdomain)

2006-09-27 Thread Keith Moore
some of this I've said elsewhere, but not here. sorry if you've already seen it. IMHO this is fundamentally a very dubious option because DNS is the authoritative source of name-to-address mappings, and the way to find out what DNS name is assigned to a particular network address is to

Re: Last Call: 'Domain Suffix Option for DHCPv6' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-dnsdomain)

2006-09-27 Thread John C Klensin
--On Wednesday, 27 September, 2006 08:09 -0700 Dave Crocker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John C Klensin wrote: Dave, unfortunately, if suffix is formally defined, I haven't been able to find it. Right. I was not intending to suggest that the specification was acceptable, and

Re: Last Call: 'Domain Suffix Option for DHCPv6' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-dnsdomain)

2006-09-27 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Wednesday, September 27, 2006 08:49:19 AM -0400 John C Klensin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure. But that isn't what the term means in common (non-IETF) practice and the document is quite specific that the return value contain exactly one label (er, item) with no provision at all for two.

Re: Last Call: 'Domain Suffix Option for DHCPv6' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-dnsdomain)

2006-09-27 Thread Mark Andrews
On Wednesday, September 27, 2006 08:49:19 AM -0400 John C Klensin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure. But that isn't what the term means in common (non-IETF) practice and the document is quite specific that the return value contain exactly one label (er, item) with no provision at all

Re: Last Call: 'Domain Suffix Option for DHCPv6' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-dnsdomain)

2006-09-27 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Thursday, September 28, 2006 07:32:17 AM +1000 Mark Andrews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Except it doesn't say label; that's your interpretation. I grant it is an entirely reasonable interpretation, and in fact the alternate interpretation that was suggested is not one that would have

Re: As Promised, an attempt at 2026bis

2006-09-27 Thread Sam Hartman
I support the textual descriptions of the changes Eliot made. However I'm concerned that as with any effort to revise RFC 2026, there will llikely be changes in wording that have unintended consequences. I am not personally convinced that the value of revising RFC 2026 justifies the risk of

Re: As Promised, an attempt at 2026bis

2006-09-27 Thread Frank Ellermann
Eliot Lear wrote: we will find another list for this purpose. Please consider to pick an existing list like pesci or newtrk or similar, creating new lists for everything is just bad. 2026 must be revised and not merely updated Your points (4) to (7) sound good, but not (1) to (3). I've