Re: DNS pollution

2006-10-12 Thread Harald Alvestrand
dust off the IAB wildcard statement, and say it's not any better when YOU do it? http://www.iab.org/documents/docs/2003-09-20-dns-wildcards.html While we're at it, let's say blocking SRV records in your DNS proxy is harmful too. Keith Moore wrote: In the past month or so I've run across two

Re: DNS pollution

2006-10-12 Thread Stephen Casner
On Wed, 11 Oct 2006, Keith Moore wrote: In the past month or so I've run across two separate ISPs that are apparently polluting the DNS by returning A records in cases where the authoritative server would either return NXDOMAIN or no answers. The A records generally point to an HTTP server

Re: DNS pollution

2006-10-12 Thread Harald Alvestrand
One thought: every time we encounter one of those problems, we should report an issue to the ISP's helpdesk. If the opex of the feature is high enough, even accountants may get the point Stephen Casner wrote: On Wed, 11 Oct 2006, Keith Moore wrote: In the past month or so I've

Due process [Re: [Nea] WG Review: Network Endpoint Assessment (nea)]

2006-10-12 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Noel Chiappa wrote: From: Steven M. Bellovin [EMAIL PROTECTED] it is better that we aren't copied because to do so would be unfair to the complainer(s). As much as I've sparred with Glassey in the past ... I think he's right in this case. In my opinion, any sort of

Re: Proceeding CDs

2006-10-12 Thread Tom.Petch
CDs of Proceedings always seemed like an excellent idea but: - sometimes they never arrived - I cannot ever recall them arriving in good time, that is closer to the time of the meeting they relate to than to that of the next meeting. Tom Petch - Original Message - From: IETF

Re: Due process [Re: [Nea] WG Review: Network Endpoint Assessment (nea)]

2006-10-12 Thread todd glassey
Brian - what constitutes 'disrupting the normal conversation of the list' - disagreeing with the management of the list?. The issue isn't that I wasn't contributing - it was that the IPR and IP teams and the IETF process teams WILL NOT LET ME PARTICIPATE because I bring in non-engineering

Re: DNS pollution

2006-10-12 Thread Peter Koch
Edward Lewis made me coment on: Ironically - in the past year, the DNSOP WG considered a proposal called white lies in which falsified negative answers were to be used to prevent someone from using DNSSEC records to discover all of What Ed didn't say but could have to avoid myth spread:

RE: [Nea] Re: WG Review: Network Endpoint Assessment (nea)

2006-10-12 Thread Douglas Otis
On Tue, 2006-10-10 at 20:01 -0700, Narayanan, Vidya wrote: I am rather confused by this attempt to make NEA fit into some kind of a network protection mechanism. I keep hearing that NEA is *one* of a suite of protocols that may be used for protecting networks. Let's dig a bit deeper into what

Re: DNS pollution

2006-10-12 Thread Edward Lewis
At 16:03 +0200 10/12/06, Peter Koch wrote: What Ed didn't say but could have to avoid myth spread: the schemes described in RFC 4471 and RFC 4472 (dnsext's work, btw, but never mind ;-) require the zone maintainer's consent, so they are applied by the person in technical control of the relevant

Re: Complaints and complainers

2006-10-12 Thread Ned Freed
So then Ned you are saying that the Management of the IETF can say anything they want to on a list about several 'supposed' complaints and then act upon them without any due process or any recourse - Noel expressed it better than either Harald or I did. He said: My reasoning is that the

Re: DNS pollution

2006-10-12 Thread Ned Freed
--On Wednesday, 11 October, 2006 21:59 +0200 Stephane Bortzmeyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Oct 11, 2006 at 01:03:24PM -0400, Keith Moore moore@cs.utk.edu wrote a message of 28 lines which said: In the past month or so I've run across two separate ISPs that are apparently

I understand that there is an ISO MOU with the IETF - I want to see it...

2006-10-12 Thread todd glassey
I understand that there is a formal MOU between the ISO and the IETF that talks about ISO's actions with regard to the reliance on IETF Standards and RFC's. I want to physically see a copy of the document - in its entirety. Todd Glassey ___ Ietf

Re: I understand that there is an ISO MOU with the IETF - I want to see it...

2006-10-12 Thread John C Klensin
--On Thursday, 12 October, 2006 12:27 -0700 todd glassey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I understand that there is a formal MOU between the ISO and the IETF that talks about ISO's actions with regard to the reliance on IETF Standards and RFC's. I want to physically see a copy of the document -

RE: [Nea] Re: WG Review: Network Endpoint Assessment (nea)

2006-10-12 Thread Darryl \(Dassa\) Lynch
Douglas Otis wrote: If an application happens to be malware, it seems it would be unlikely stop these applications. How about: vi) Provide application level advisory information pertaining to available services. Points that seem to be missing are: vii) Notification of

RE: I understand that there is an ISO MOU with the IETF- I want to see it...

2006-10-12 Thread Fleischman, Eric
John, Please remember with me back to the mid-1990s when ISO sent official liaison reps to the IETF. The way I recall (perhaps incorrectly) things working back then was that from the ISO perspective, these were official liaison reps formally sanctioned according to ISO processes but from our

RE: I understand that there is an ISO MOU with the IETF- ...

2006-10-12 Thread Scott Bradner
see RFC 3563 for one agreement Scott ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf

Re: I understand that there is an ISO MOU with the IETF- I want to see it...

2006-10-12 Thread todd glassey
Eric I proposed a long time ago that we create a new IESG Role and was a Director of Liaisons and it of course, was shot down. Maybe in this more ... tolerant climate today (nasbcih) it should be reviewed again. Its likely to be one of the more powerful and long-term IETF/IESG role's as well

Re: I understand that there is an ISO MOU with the IETF- ...

2006-10-12 Thread Dave Crocker
Scott Bradner wrote: see RFC 3563 for one agreement And since it would seem a bit useful to make liaison information readily available, I was happy to fine: http://ietf.org/liaisonActivities.html It seems to cover the topic rather thoroughly. it looks as if it links to the formal

Re: DNS pollution

2006-10-12 Thread Stephen Casner
On Thu, 12 Oct 2006, Edward Lewis wrote: At 23:37 -0700 10/11/06, Stephen Casner wrote: connect to 127.0.0.1 on the forwarded port number. I don't know why, but Pine does a DNS lookup on 127.0.0.1. My problems arose when the Sounds like an application layer implementation defect. The

Re: I understand that there is an ISO MOU with the IETF- ...

2006-10-12 Thread todd glassey
Scott this is specific to one small area in IS-IS routing (the JTC) - what I am looking for a broad agreement type MOU. I don't think one exists. Todd - Original Message - From: Scott Bradner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ietf@ietf.org Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 3:27 PM Subject: RE: I

Re: I understand that there is an ISO MOU with the IETF- ...

2006-10-12 Thread todd glassey
Dave - this really says nothing about what a liaison does or what their responsibilities are. The IS-IS document talks to some extent about the processes but the roles are still unclear. My point was that the liaison is a businesses development role really. Its about how IETF processes and IPs

Re: DNS pollution

2006-10-12 Thread Mark Andrews
On Thu, 12 Oct 2006, Edward Lewis wrote: At 23:37 -0700 10/11/06, Stephen Casner wrote: connect to 127.0.0.1 on the forwarded port number. I don't know why, but Pine does a DNS lookup on 127.0.0.1. My problems arose when the Sounds like an application layer implementation defect.

RE: I understand that there is an ISO MOU with the IETF- ...

2006-10-12 Thread John C Klensin
--On Thursday, 12 October, 2006 18:27 -0400 Scott Bradner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: see RFC 3563 for one agreement Scott, there are lots of agreements at the WG-WG level. There are even a few agreements creating and identifying IETF Category A liaisons to a few selected ISO/IEC JTC1 SCs

Re: I understand that there is an ISO MOU with the IETF - I want to see it...

2006-10-12 Thread John C Klensin
--On Thursday, 12 October, 2006 14:08 -0700 todd glassey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thats what I thought John but when Verisign's Corporate-Government Liaison, who is a very reputable attorney, pops up and says there is one I have to ask. I am not questioning the reputation of whomever you

Weekly posting summary for ietf@ietf.org

2006-10-12 Thread Thomas Narten
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Last Call: 'Extensible Provisioning Protocol (EPP)' to Draft Standard (draft-hollenbeck-epp-rfc3730bis)

2006-10-12 Thread The IESG
The IESG has received a request from an individual submitter to consider the following documents: - 'Extensible Provisioning Protocol (EPP) ' draft-hollenbeck-epp-rfc3730bis-03.txt as a Draft Standard - 'Extensible Provisioning Protocol (EPP) Host Mapping '

RFC 4698 on IRIS: An Address Registry (areg) Type for the Internet Registry Information Service

2006-10-12 Thread rfc-editor
A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 4698 Title: IRIS: An Address Registry (areg) Type for the Internet Registry Information Service Author: E. Gunduz, A. Newton,

Internet-Drafts Submission Cutoff Dates for the 67th IETF Meeting in San Diego, California, USA

2006-10-12 Thread ietf-secretariat
There are two (2) Internet-Draft cutoff dates for the 67th IETF Meeting in San Diego, California, USA: October 16th: Cutoff Date for Initial (i.e., version -00) Internet-Draft Submissions All initial Internet-Drafts (version -00) must be submitted by Monday, October 16th at 9:00 AM ET. As