Re: draft-kolkman-appeal-support

2006-10-14 Thread Eliot Lear
Ned, I am torn with the proposal. On the one hand, I am sympathetic to DDOS attacks on the process. On the other hand, I agree with you that serious contributors need a way to appeal decisions. In particular, I don't like the need to require support from additional serious members, and I would

Re: draft-kolkman-appeal-support

2006-10-14 Thread John C Klensin
--On Saturday, 14 October, 2006 09:05 +0200 Eliot Lear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ned, I am torn with the proposal. On the one hand, I am sympathetic to DDOS attacks on the process. On the other hand, I agree with you that serious contributors need a way to appeal decisions. In

Re: draft-kolkman-appeal-support

2006-10-14 Thread Harald Alvestrand
Frank Ellermann wrote: Perhaps he could be also convinced to trash his draft. I've trashed an 3710-obsolete draft (before publication - luck). 9/10 of all drafts are trashed by the quite effective mechanism of waiting 6 months... no need for dramatic action. that said, I'd be happy

Re: [Nea] Re: WG Review: Network Endpoint Assessment (nea)

2006-10-14 Thread Andy Bierman
Harald Alvestrand wrote: A typical NEA case (taken out of what Cisco's NAC is supposed to be good for): - Worker goes on holiday, takes laptop - New attack is discovered that exploits a newly discovered Windows vulnerability - Patch is created, distributed and installed - NEA posture

Re: draft-kolkman-appeal-support

2006-10-14 Thread Michael Thomas
John C Klensin wrote: (1) The supporter procedure/requirement should be triggered only is someone shows symptoms of being a vexatious appellant. People who are entering their first appeals don't trigger it. People whose last appeal was successful, even

Re: draft-kolkman-appeal-support

2006-10-14 Thread Sandy Wills
Michael Thomas wrote: John C Klensin wrote: ...The only folks who need to look for supporters are those who have appealed before and whose appeals have been rejected as without merit. Can an appeal be rejected with merit? Certainly. A simplistic created-on-the-spot example: The IETF

Re: draft-kolkman-appeal-support

2006-10-14 Thread Frank Ellermann
Harald Alvestrand wrote: 9/10 of all drafts are trashed by the quite effective mechanism of waiting 6 months... no need for dramatic action. Depends, that 3710-thingy was quite spicy, and all I know about cancels in the tools.ietf.org archive is that it's possible. - supporters are

Re: draft-kolkman-appeal-support

2006-10-14 Thread Harald Alvestrand
- supporters are willing to offer proof of identity to a secretariat function of the IETF ...difficult, it reminds me of Usenet CSVs. What do you have in mind, a phone number offered for a verification call ? They would need to support different plausibility checks wrt WP:SOCK