Re: Requirements for Open Positions

2006-10-23 Thread John C Klensin
--On Friday, 20 October, 2006 17:11 +0200 Brian E Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John C Klensin wrote: Andrew, Let me suggest, and suggest to the Nomcom, that these requirements are the opinions of the incumbents of what it takes to do the jobs as they see them. To be very precise,

Re: [David Kessens] DISCUSS: draft-carpenter-rescind-3683

2006-10-23 Thread Robert Sayre
On 10/22/06, David Kessens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This basically allows the IESG to do whatever it pleases without requiring community input. And because of this, it will also be hard to appeal any decisions made this way as this draft supports the idea that the IESG has the authority to do

Re: RFC Compliance Certification Authority?

2006-10-23 Thread Lars Eggert
On Oct 18, 2006, at 16:19, [EMAIL PROTECTED] jax871- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm wondering if someone can refer me to any organizations/ businesses that can provide an independent review of software for verification validation of RFC compliance? The TAHI project provides verification for

Re: Last Call: 'Progressive Posting Rights Supsensions' to BCP (draft-carpenter-rescind-3683)

2006-10-23 Thread Tom.Petch
- Original Message - From: The IESG [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: IETF-Announce ietf-announce@ietf.org Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 12:29 AM Subject: Last Call: 'Progressive Posting Rights Supsensions' to BCP (draft-carpenter-rescind-3683) The IESG has received a request from an individual

Differences between WG and non-WG mailing lists

2006-10-23 Thread John Leslie
David Kessens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Oct 21, 2006 at 07:14:41PM -0400, John Leslie wrote: Ned Freed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [David's DICUSS stated:] It is haphazardous at best to rescind one control mechanism and to replace it with one that leaves non working group mail management

Re: Requirements for Open Positions

2006-10-23 Thread Brian E Carpenter
John, That is important input, but I question whether it should be controlling for either applicants or Nomcom decisions. In particular, while, e.g., the introduction to the IESG Requirements document seems to strike about the right balance, it suggests that the role requires between 25 and 40

Re: Last Call: 'Progressive Posting Rights Supsensions' to BCP (draft-carpenter-rescind-3683)

2006-10-23 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Tom, Tom.Petch wrote: - Original Message - From: The IESG [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: IETF-Announce ietf-announce@ietf.org Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 12:29 AM Subject: Last Call: 'Progressive Posting Rights Supsensions' to BCP (draft-carpenter-rescind-3683) The IESG has received a

Re: Call for Nominations - NomCom06

2006-10-23 Thread Emin Gun Sirer
Henrik == Henrik Levkowetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Henrik Hi Sam, on 2006-10-20 19:43 Sam Hartman said the Henrik following: I was unable to find a text mode browser that can work with your nomination pages to nominate candidates. Henrik w3m should work now - I replaced

Re: [Nea] Re: WG Review: Network Endpoint Assessment (nea)

2006-10-23 Thread Alan DeKok
Douglas Otis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems impractical to specify system requirements or expect a suitable examination be done realtime prior to obtaining access. Maybe you're saying that a complete systems check would take too long. That is true, but that isn't how the NEA variants

Re: Requirements for Open Positions

2006-10-23 Thread Eliot Lear
Hi Ted, I would also argue that ideas about how to significantly rearrange the workload are things shouldn't be happening as part of the nomcom process, but part of an open discussion so that all stakeholders have a chance to comment. Those ideas should be applicable regardless of who the

Re: Last Call: 'Progressive Posting Rights Supsensions' to BCP (draft-carpenter-rescind-3683)

2006-10-23 Thread Robert Elz
Date:Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:46:47 +0200 From:Brian E Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Actually, this document doesn't *need* to contain any rationale. | The question is whether the community agrees. It doesn't say the IESG; | it uses the

Re: Call for Nominations - NomCom06

2006-10-23 Thread Henrik Levkowetz
Hi Sam, on 2006-10-23 18:19 Sam Hartman said the following: Henrik == Henrik Levkowetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Henrik Hi Sam, on 2006-10-20 19:43 Sam Hartman said the Henrik following: I was unable to find a text mode browser that can work with your nomination pages to

Re: Last Call: 'Progressive Posting Rights Supsensions' to BCP (draft-carpenter-rescind-3683)

2006-10-23 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Hi Robert, Robert Elz wrote: Date:Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:46:47 +0200 From:Brian E Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Actually, this document doesn't *need* to contain any rationale. | The question is whether the community agrees. It

Re: Last Call: 'Progressive Posting Rights Supsensions' to BCP (draft-carpenter-rescind-3683)

2006-10-23 Thread John C Klensin
--On Monday, 23 October, 2006 21:22 +0200 Brian E Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... In general, at least as things are now, I would prefer that this current draft simply be dropped, and the current status be retained. The problem with the current status is that we have no tools

Re: Last Call: 'Progressive Posting Rights Supsensions' to BCP (draft-carpenter-rescind-3683)

2006-10-23 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Monday, October 23, 2006 04:14:10 PM -0400 John C Klensin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (1) Any language in 3683 that appears to limit other actions with regard to mailing list abuse needs to be overridden. Agree. IMHO this is by far the most important part of Brian's proposal, or of its

RE: with merit?

2006-10-23 Thread Hallam-Baker, Phillip
I am somewhat confused here. The reason that the community is able to tollerate the authentication mechanism in HTTP is that the authentication process has effectively been moved to a different part of the stack by insisting on the use of SSL transport. SSL/TLS is not an ideal solution for

RE: DNS pollution

2006-10-23 Thread Hallam-Baker, Phillip
I agree. For me personally, this was not hypothetical. The Pine mail user agent that I use began to intermittently fail to connect to the IMAP server even when there was no evidence of problems with network connectivity. The problem turned out to be DNS fraud. I use ssh to connect

Qualified participant: Was RE: draft-kolkman-appeal-support

2006-10-23 Thread Hallam-Baker, Phillip
The Oxford Union Society is the worlds oldest existing debating society Even though the Union has members there is an additional qualification to stand for election, a member must have spoken at two debates in the term they wish to stand before the close of hustings. These are 'qualified

Re: DNS pollution

2006-10-23 Thread Mark Andrews
I agree. For me personally, this was not hypothetical. The Pine mail user agent that I use began to intermittently fail to connect to the IMAP server even when there was no evidence of problems with network connectivity. The problem turned out to be DNS fraud. I use ssh to

Re: DNS pollution

2006-10-23 Thread Keith Moore
Actually if you had read the followup this was not a application error but a operator error. Operator errors are exactly what this misbehaviour depends on. This a perfectly good example of unexpected consequences. Note this also breaks the expectations

Last Call: 'Extensions to OSPF for Advertising Optional Router Capabilities' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-ospf-cap)

2006-10-23 Thread The IESG
The IESG has received a request from the Open Shortest Path First IGP WG to consider the following document: - 'Extensions to OSPF for Advertising Optional Router Capabilities ' draft-ietf-ospf-cap-09.txt as a Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and