Re: FYI - Examining Actual State of IPv6 Deployment

2008-01-18 Thread Keith Moore
I think that's a pretty bizarre way to measure IPv6 deployment. The _last_ applications to support IPv6 will be the widely popular apps that depend on an extensive infrastructure of servers that are currently associated with IPv4. Email and the web both fall into this category. And as long as a

FYI - Examining Actual State of IPv6 Deployment

2008-01-18 Thread Dan York
Since there's been so much discussion here of IPv6 here, I thought I'd mention a recent post on CircleID.com called Examining Actual State of IPv6 Deployment: http://www.circleid.com/posts/81166_actual_state_ipv6_deployment/ The article is by Thomas Kuehne and is a quick-and-dirty study

Transition of www.ietf.org Update

2008-01-18 Thread Ray Pelletier
This is a reminder that the transition of the main IETF web site began on Wednesday, 16 January. Virtually all changes to static web pages are on hold until testing is completed and the actual cut-over takes place on 31 January 2008. This hold does not affect data driven web pages, web sites

Re: Call for Comment: RFC 4693 experiment

2008-01-18 Thread Fred Baker
On Jan 17, 2008, at 12:04 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: Just as a reminder, the idea was to have something *easier and cheaper* than RFCs but more organized than arbitrary web pages. Fred might note that cheaper with his IAOC hat on ;-). I do indeed. That said, I'm paying for the RFC

RE: Internet Draft Submission cutoff dates

2008-01-18 Thread John C Klensin
--On Friday, 18 January, 2008 13:18 -0600 Eric Gray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John, Your description of the reasons for having the draft sub- mission dead-lines may agree with original thinking that went into setting them, initially. However, there were collateral benefits that

Finding information

2008-01-18 Thread Willie Gillespie
As someone new to the IETF, how should I go about doing the following? I want to find some information about IMAP and its extensions. Let's say I found RFC 1730. How would I know that it had been obsoleted by RFC 2060 and then by RFC 3501? How do I find the extensions? I don't necessarily

Re: I-D Action:draft-carpenter-rfc2026-changes-02.txt

2008-01-18 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 2008-01-18 23:20, Frank Ellermann wrote: Brian E Carpenter wrote: the question is whether people are interested enough to comment... ...and maybe also how interested the author is to answer comments: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.general/27581/match=2026 [RFC 3700] You still

Re: Internet Draft Submission cutoff dates

2008-01-18 Thread Fred Baker
On Jan 18, 2008, at 5:17 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: A possible approach would be to use the cutoff dates as deadlines for drafts to be placed on the WG agenda - i.e. allow automated posting to continue unabated, but only allow late drafts to be discussed in the meeting if so agreed during

Re: Internet Draft Submission cutoff dates

2008-01-18 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 2008-01-19 09:04, Fred Baker wrote: On Jan 18, 2008, at 11:18 AM, Eric Gray wrote: For the people who participate in a fair number of working groups in the IETF, requiring early posting allows for a greater likelihood that they will be able to at least skim each new draft sometime

Re: Internet Draft Submission cutoff dates

2008-01-18 Thread Fred Baker
On Jan 18, 2008, at 11:18 AM, Eric Gray wrote: For the people who participate in a fair number of working groups in the IETF, requiring early posting allows for a greater likelihood that they will be able to at least skim each new draft sometime before setting up their laptop at the

RE: Internet Draft Submission cutoff dates

2008-01-18 Thread Eric Gray
John, Your description of the reasons for having the draft sub- mission dead-lines may agree with original thinking that went into setting them, initially. However, there were collateral benefits that the new automated submission process helps to improve - but does not eliminate.

RE: Internet Draft Submission cutoff dates

2008-01-18 Thread Eric Gray
DÁccord. -- Eric Gray Principal Engineer Ericsson -Original Message- From: John C Klensin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 4:47 PM To: Eric Gray Cc: ietf@ietf.org Subject: RE: Internet Draft Submission cutoff dates Importance: High --On Friday, 18

Re: SECDIR review of draft-cridland-imap-context-03

2008-01-18 Thread Bob Braden
* * Section 4.4, second paragraph (s/may/MAY) * Only a single PARTIAL search return option may be present in a single * command. * Should this be: * Only a single PARTIAL search return option MAY be present in a single * command. * * * Best regards, *

Internet Draft Submission cutoff dates

2008-01-18 Thread John C Klensin
Hi. The current cutoff schedule for Internet Drafts dates from my time on the IESG (i.e., is ancient history). It was conditioned on the pre-IETF rush and the observation that the Secretariat, at the time, required a sufficiently long time to get drafts posted in the pre-meeting rush that,

Re: houston.rr.com MX fubar?

2008-01-18 Thread Olafur Gudmundsson
At 06:29 17/01/2008, Tony Finch wrote: On Thu, 17 Jan 2008, Mark Andrews wrote: a) when RFC 2821 was written IPv6 existed and RFC 2821 acknowledged its existance. It did DID NOT say synthesize from . RFC 2821 only talks about IPv6 domain literals. The MX resolution

SECDIR review of draft-cridland-imap-context-03

2008-01-18 Thread Chris Lonvick
Hi, I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the IESG. These comments were written primarily for the benefit of the security area directors. Document editors and WG chairs should treat these comments

Re: draft-hoffman-additional-key-words-00.txt

2008-01-18 Thread Olafur Gudmundsson
At 12:49 16/01/2008, Paul Hoffman wrote: At 1:43 PM -0500 1/15/08, John C Klensin wrote: A different version of the same thinking would suggest that any document needing these extended keywords is not ready for standardization and should be published as Experimental and left there until the

Gen-art review of draft-ietf-manet-packetbb-11.txt

2008-01-18 Thread Elwyn Davies
I have been selected as the General Area Review Team (Gen-ART) reviewer for this draft (for background on Gen-ART, please see http://www.alvestrand.no/ietf/gen/art/gen-art-FAQ.html). Please resolve these comments along with any other Last Call comments you may receive. Since this is now

Re: SECDIR review of draft-cridland-imap-context-03

2008-01-18 Thread Chris Lonvick
Hi, On Fri, 18 Jan 2008, Bob Braden wrote: * * Section 4.4, second paragraph (s/may/MAY) * Only a single PARTIAL search return option may be present in a single * command. * Should this be: * Only a single PARTIAL search return option MAY be present in a single *

Re: I-D Action:draft-hoffman-tao4677bis-00.txt

2008-01-18 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 2008-01-18 17:13, Joe Abley wrote: On 17-Jan-2008, at 18:50, Brian E Carpenter wrote: Added sentences to section 8.1 explaining that BCPs and FYIs are sub- series of Informational RFCs. Namely: The sub-series of FYIs and BCPs are comprised of Informational documents in the

Re: I-D Action:draft-hoffman-tao4677bis-00.txt

2008-01-18 Thread Joe Abley
On 18-Jan-2008, at 21:48, Brian E Carpenter wrote: I've always wondered what the designation for your information adds to an RFC that is already labelled informational. Me too. I hope to find out :-) Joe ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org

Transition of www.ietf.org Update

2008-01-18 Thread IETF Administrative Director
This is a reminder that the transition of the main IETF web site began on Wednesday, 16 January. Virtually all changes to static web pages are on hold until testing is completed and the actual cut-over takes place on 31 January 2008. This hold does not affect data driven web pages, web sites