Re: Impending publication: draft-iab-dns-choices-05

2008-03-04 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 09:57:15AM -0800, Olaf Kolkman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote a message of 48 lines which said: The IAB is ready to ask the RFC-Editor to publish Design Choices When Expanding DNS draft-iab-dns-choices-05 I fully agree with the overall message (the use of a

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-imapext-sort (INTERNET MESSAGE ACCESS PROTOCOL - SORT AND THREAD EXTENSIONS) to Proposed Standard

2008-03-04 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 10:26:44AM -0800, Mark Crispin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote a message of 162 lines which said: The actual correct collation, assuming(!) surname-first collation and Latin character ordering(!!), is: ... due to where the surname is located in various cultures. Is it a

Re: WG Review: Internationalized Domain Name (idn)

2008-03-04 Thread LB
I looked carefully at the proposal of a WG to address the lacks of the IDNA solution. My evaluation of multilinguist (study regarding the parallel usage of languages) suggests to me that: -- The proposed working group does not concern the Multilingual Internet, but the adaptation of the IDNA

Re: Impending publication: draft-iab-dns-choices-05

2008-03-04 Thread Mark Andrews
On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 09:57:15AM -0800, Olaf Kolkman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote a message of 48 lines which said: The IAB is ready to ask the RFC-Editor to publish Design Choices When Expanding DNS draft-iab-dns-choices-05 I fully agree with the overall message

Re: Impending publication: draft-iab-dns-choices-05

2008-03-04 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Wed, Mar 05, 2008 at 12:52:05AM +1100, Mark Andrews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote a message of 94 lines which said: So you want to hold up everything because one company produced a API that was not RFC 1123 compliant? Read my message before tearing me to pieces :-) I clearly said I

Re: Impending publication: draft-iab-dns-choices-05

2008-03-04 Thread Patrik Fältström
On 4 mar 2008, at 15.13, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: But I regret that the choices of the TXT users are misrepresented as pure stupidity. As often said in the IETF: Send text. I.e. suggest text that you think one can get consensus on. Patrik

Re: Hasty attempt to create an IDN WG (Was: WG Review: Internationalized Domain Name (idn)

2008-03-04 Thread Harald Alvestrand
Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: On Mon, Mar 03, 2008 at 04:32:08PM +0200, Jari Arkko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote a message of 21 lines which said: But it is quite common when we revise a specification that we have only an incomplete defect list. Or we may not have determined if a particular

Re: Impending publication: draft-iab-dns-choices-05

2008-03-04 Thread Mark Andrews
On Wed, Mar 05, 2008 at 12:52:05AM +1100, Mark Andrews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote a message of 94 lines which said: So you want to hold up everything because one company produced a API that was not RFC 1123 compliant? Read my message before tearing me to pieces :-) I clearly

RE: Impending publication: draft-iab-dns-choices-05

2008-03-04 Thread Hallam-Baker, Phillip
The IAB tracker indicated this document was dead, now we are told that publication is imminent. Why? Do we get to ask the author to address the other proposals that have been made to address this issue (XPTR) or does it just get published regardless of whether the claims made are true or not?

Re: Impending publication: draft-iab-dns-choices-05

2008-03-04 Thread Patrik Fältström
On 4 mar 2008, at 16.32, Hallam-Baker, Phillip wrote: I also found the tone of the original paper insulting. I don't think that 'send text' is an acceptable response to such objections. For the specific issue, the lack of correct history of why people did select TXT RR Types my conclusion

RE: Impending publication: draft-iab-dns-choices-05

2008-03-04 Thread Hallam-Baker, Phillip
I think it would help a lot of people in this thread if we knew what the subject line meant by 'impending publication'. I and others made numerous objections to draft-04 which were not responded to. That draft expired April 26, 2007. I did not continue the conversation because I believed that

RE: Last Call: draft-ietf-smime-sha2 (Using SHA2 AlgorithmswithCryptographic Message Syntax) to Proposed Standard

2008-03-04 Thread Turner, Sean P.
Denis, Responses are in-line. spt -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Denis Pinkas Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 9:06 AM To: Paul Hoffman; Turner, Sean P.; ietf@ietf.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-smime-sha2

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-smime-sha2 (Using SHA2 AlgorithmswithCryptographic Message Syntax) to Proposed Standard

2008-03-04 Thread Paul Hoffman
At 3:06 PM +0100 3/3/08, Denis Pinkas wrote: While I welcome this draft, everybody should take into consideration that, if the SHA2 family happens to be broken then we will be at risk. This should be mentioned into the security considerations section. If an algorithm is cracked then isn't it

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-imapext-sort (INTERNET MESSAGE ACCESS PROTOCOL - SORT AND THREAD EXTENSIONS) to Proposed Standard

2008-03-04 Thread Cyrus Daboo
Hi Dan, --On March 2, 2008 11:07:50 PM -0800 Dan Karp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The purpose of sorting in mail clients is so that users can find messages they're looking for. Actually you need to look at your use cases in more detail because a lot of times searching is a much better solution

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-imapext-sort (INTERNET MESSAGE ACCESS PROTOCOL - SORT AND THREAD EXTENSIONS) to Proposed Standard

2008-03-04 Thread Mark Crispin
On Mon, 3 Mar 2008, Alexey Melnikov wrote: (In some clients, the sorted list is scrolled to whichever message was previously selected, so it's a fast way of finding other messages by the same person). Yea, I do this frequently in Thunderbird. As do I. Note that an address sort that

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-imapext-sort (INTERNET MESSAGE ACCESS PROTOCOL - SORT AND THREAD EXTENSIONS) to Proposed Standard

2008-03-04 Thread Mark Crispin
I agree and will/have address[ed] these in AUTH48. On Mon, 3 Mar 2008, Alexey Melnikov wrote: The IESG wrote: The IESG is considering the following document again now that important dependencies are ready: - 'INTERNET MESSAGE ACCESS PROTOCOL - SORT AND THREAD EXTENSIONS'

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-imapext-sort (INTERNET MESSAGE ACCESS PROTOCOL - SORT AND THREAD EXTENSIONS) to Proposed Standard

2008-03-04 Thread Mark Crispin
On Mon, 3 Mar 2008, Dave Cridland wrote: Still, though, the presence of useless SORT keys would only be a significant problem if they were especially difficult to implement, and the large deployments of SORT indicate that they're not. Even if it's only PINE, that's still a pretty vast

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-imapext-sort (INTERNET MESSAGE ACCESS PROTOCOL - SORT AND THREAD EXTENSIONS) to Proposed Standard

2008-03-04 Thread Arnt Gulbrandsen
Stephane Bortzmeyer writes: On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 10:26:44AM -0800, Mark Crispin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote a message of 162 lines which said: The actual correct collation, assuming(!) surname-first collation and Latin character ordering(!!), is: ... due to where the surname is located

Re: draft-duerst-iana-namespace-00.txt

2008-03-04 Thread Tom.Petch
- Original Message - From: Julian Reschke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Stephane Bortzmeyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Tony Finch [EMAIL PROTECTED]; ietf@ietf.org Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 5:00 PM Subject: Re: draft-duerst-iana-namespace-00.txt Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: ... Yes. I suggest

RE: Impending publication: draft-iab-dns-choices-05

2008-03-04 Thread Hallam-Baker, Phillip
I think it would help a lot of people in this thread if we knew what the subject line meant by 'impending publication'. I and others made numerous objections to draft-04 which were not responded to. That draft expired April 26, 2007. I did not continue the conversation because I believed that

Re: draft-duerst-iana-namespace-00.txt

2008-03-04 Thread Julian Reschke
Tom.Petch wrote: Hm, we are talking about XML namespace names, not DTD URIs. XML processors are not supposed to resolve them, so it seems strange to insert requirements for clients that do so. Welcome as this is, why is this I-D limited to XML namespace names? What about XML Schema

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-smime-sha2 (Using SHA2 AlgorithmswithCryptographic Message Syntax) to Proposed Standard

2008-03-04 Thread Eric Rescorla
At Mon, 3 Mar 2008 07:44:00 -0800, Paul Hoffman wrote: At 3:06 PM +0100 3/3/08, Denis Pinkas wrote: While I welcome this draft, everybody should take into consideration that, if the SHA2 family happens to be broken then we will be at risk. This should be mentioned into the security

Re: draft-duerst-iana-namespace-00.txt

2008-03-04 Thread Frank Ellermann
Julian Reschke wrote: Pardon my ignorance, but what is an XML Schema name? No pardon, but a guess s/name/location/ as in: xmlns:use=http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance; use:schemaLocation=http://www.sitemaps.org/schemas/sitemap/0.9

Re: draft-duerst-iana-namespace-00.txt

2008-03-04 Thread Tom.Petch
- Original Message - From: Julian Reschke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tom.Petch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Stephane Bortzmeyer [EMAIL PROTECTED]; ietf ietf@ietf.org Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 6:16 PM Subject: Re: draft-duerst-iana-namespace-00.txt Tom.Petch wrote: Hm, we are talking about XML

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-imapext-sort (INTERNET MESSAGE ACCESS PROTOCOL - SORT AND THREAD EXTENSIONS) to Proposed Standard

2008-03-04 Thread Mark Crispin
On Tue, 4 Mar 2008, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: The actual correct collation, assuming(!) surname-first collation and Latin character ordering(!!), is: due to where the surname is located in various cultures. Is it a good idea to sort on the ordering of the sender's culture? If the ordering is

Re: Hasty attempt to create an IDN WG (Was: WG Review: Internationalized Domain Name (idn)

2008-03-04 Thread Lisa Dusseault
On Mar 3, 2008, at 5:38 AM, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: - Separate requirements for valid IDNs at registration time, vs. at resolution time This means casting in stone one specific approach, and a dangerous one.. And the discussions on the existing idna-update list show that the decision

Consensus so far on IDN(A)

2008-03-04 Thread Lisa Dusseault
I've seen just around 10 responses to the external review, plus can count input prior to the external review. These lead me to conclude so far that there is support for forming a WG, and there may even be support for forming this particular WG around this charter with some changes :) In

Re: WG Review: Internationalized Domain Name (idn)

2008-03-04 Thread Ted Hardie
At 5:05 PM -0800 3/4/08, Lisa Dusseault wrote: Unicode experts have been participating in the work already, so this is even closer cooperation than having a liaison. If there turns out to be a need for a liaison, can IAB/liaisons/ADs/chairs do lazy evaluation then on whether the IETF liaison

IANA Office Hours at IETF-71 in Philadelphia

2008-03-04 Thread Michelle Cotton
Greetings! The IANA will be holding Office Hours at the IETF-71 in Philadelphia. This will continue to give everyone an opportunity to discuss IANA Considerations in your documents, requests for registrations in existing registries or any other questions you may have. The IANA will have a table