Re: Fwd: Current ietf e-mail delays

2009-09-01 Thread Glen
Stefan Santesson wrote: > I and others have experienced unusually long delays from posting messages > to various ietf mailing lists lately. > 4-5 hours delivery time or more is not uncommon. > Anyone else having the same issue or any idea what the problem is? Stefan - The secretariat is respons

Current ietf e-mail delays

2009-09-01 Thread Stefan Santesson
I and others have experienced unusually long delays from posting messages to various ietf mailing lists lately. 4-5 hours delivery time or more is not uncommon. Anyone else having the same issue or any idea what the problem is? /Stefan ___ Ietf mailing

Re: I-D Action:draft-klensin-iaoc-member-00.txt

2009-09-01 Thread Leslie Daigle
I'm having troubles reconciling a couple of things: 1/ Recent discussion (different draft) on the importance of the IAOC implementing IETF (and IAB) policy and admin requirements; not having the IAOC *setting* those requirements; 2/ Suggesting that the IAB & IETF Chairs should not be on the

Re: BOFs for Hiroshima

2009-09-01 Thread Alexa Morris
Yes, the standard BOF submission dates were recently changed, and they are a bit earlier now. As part of a renewed effort to avoid conflicts in the meeting agenda, it was decided that the BOF deadline should more closely coincide with the working group scheduling. By moving the BOF cutoff

Re: BOFs for Hiroshima

2009-09-01 Thread Livingood, Jason
Is there a standard interval for such deadlines before an IETF meeting? As you noted, this one seems particularly early this time. Jason On 8/24/09 12:16 PM, "Marshall Eubanks" wrote: > I just wanted to bring to people's attention this (fairly early) cut > off date for Hiroshima : > > - 2009

Re: Non-smoking rooms at the Hiroshima venue?

2009-09-01 Thread Alexa Morris
60% of our room block is considered non smoking but, as our room block is on the smaller side, it is possible that all non smoking rooms are indeed sold out. We have contacted the hotel to see how we can best work through this issue, but at the moment it is only 3am in Hiroshima so it will

Re: Let's be careful with those XML submissions to IANA

2009-09-01 Thread Doug Barton
Assuming that there actually is a contradiction here (and I don't know anything about IPFIX so I won't hazard a guess) the end result is a quality-control problem that should be brought to the attention of the RFC Editor. If I understand your comments below correctly, you're encouraging document a

Re: Non-smoking rooms at the Hiroshima venue?

2009-09-01 Thread Ole Jacobsen
Mike, I am going to let AMS answer that since they have the contract with the ANA. My understanding as of right now is that about 60% of the rooms are non-smoking. The ANA has been aware of our desire for non-smoking rooms for a long time so I am sure they are working on whatever solution they c

Re: Non-smoking rooms at the Hiroshima venue?

2009-09-01 Thread Michael StJohns
Hi Ole - As of today, I was only able to book a twin room SMOKING at 19,000y at the ANA - there are no singles at the lower rate. There are no non-smoking rooms even at the higher rate. Given that I believe you're correct that most of the IETF will be looking for a non-smoking room, I'm not c

Re: Non-smoking rooms at the Hiroshima venue?

2009-09-01 Thread Scott Brim
As for me, I made a reservation at Mitsui Garden and just sent a note to the agency asking for a non-smoking room. They replied that they would forward my request to the hotel. ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iet

Re: Non-smoking rooms at the Hiroshima venue?

2009-09-01 Thread Ole Jacobsen
David, Let me take a stab at answering this. First of all, while it may not be obvious, you DO NOT need to be a Priority Club member in order to reserve a room. AMS is trying to get the link fixed so that this will be clearer. For now, you can just enter the desired arrival and departure dates.

Re: Important Information about IETF 76 Meeting Registration

2009-09-01 Thread Alissa Cooper
This entire thread is perfectly illustrative of why the IETF needs a privacy policy. Without one, it is entirely unclear how the data collected about IETF participants is used, disclosed and protected, whether that data is part of an experiment or not. While the supplemental information abo

Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optional/mandatory nature of IESG notes

2009-09-01 Thread Robert Elz
Date:Tue, 01 Sep 2009 16:37:31 +0300 From:Jari Arkko Message-ID: <4a9d239b.7070...@piuha.net> | Right, and we are not. That is very good to hear. I haven't been watching much of recent IETF happenings (last few years) so I explicitly make no comment about anythin

Let's be careful with those XML submissions to IANA

2009-09-01 Thread Tom.Petch
Looking at RFC5102 (IPFIXinfo), it, like many RFC, has normative definitions in the body of the document and a non-normative appendix, which, since it brings the definitions together, is easier and so more likely to be used. Indeed, the IANA considerations, s.7, tell IANA to register the non-norma

Re: Important Information about IETF 76 Meeting Registration

2009-09-01 Thread Dave CROCKER
Fred Baker wrote: Chill Out. Back at you. Go ahead and opt out. PLEASE opt out if you you can't deal with technology that might change - as all IETF technology does over time. Leave Alexa out of this. An important datum in human studies is how humans react to things. Taking such a dism

Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optional/mandatory nature of IESG notes

2009-09-01 Thread Jari Arkko
Robert, the IESG should not be making any kind of technical review of independent submissions Right, and we are not. - the reason the review was even permitted ... was to allow work that was submitted independently but which was directly in the same area as IETF work to be merged, and all

Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optional/mandatory nature of IESG notes

2009-09-01 Thread Robert Elz
Date:Mon, 31 Aug 2009 16:29:26 +0300 From:Jari Arkko Message-ID: <4a9bd036.1000...@piuha.net> | And now back to the input that I wanted to hear. I would like to get a | sense from the list whether you prefer (a) that any exceptional IESG | note is just a recom

Re: Non-smoking rooms at the Hiroshima venue?

2009-09-01 Thread Lawrence Conroy
Hi Dave, folks, Don't count me in. After freezing my fingers off in MSP, that's a plus point about Japan. At least this time I have a choice. So, apparently, do you. all the best, Lawrence On 1 Sep 2009, at 08:52, David Partain wrote: Greetings, I just set about to reserve a room at the meet

Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optional/mandatory nature of IESG notes

2009-09-01 Thread Olaf Kolkman
On Aug 31, 2009, at 3:29 PM, Jari Arkko wrote: And now back to the input that I wanted to hear. I would like to get a sense from the list whether you prefer (a) that any exceptional IESG note is just a recommendation to the RFC Editor or (b) something that is always applied to the publis

Non-smoking rooms at the Hiroshima venue?

2009-09-01 Thread David Partain
Greetings, I just set about to reserve a room at the meeting hotel via http://www.ichotelsgroup.com/h/d/cp/1/en/cwshome/DPRD-7LT5AJ/HIJJA (which required that I join their PriorityClub...). Check-in on Saturday, check-out on Friday (nothing odd there). I was, though, VERY surprised that there

RE: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optional/mandatory nature of IESG notes

2009-09-01 Thread Pasi.Eronen
Joel M. Halpern wrote: > If the ISE / RSE is unreasonable, the IAB will slap the editor and say > "stop doing that." There is no equivalent process if we reverse the > structure. Yes, there is. If the IESG would request/recommend a particularly bad IESG note, this decision can be appealed just l

Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optional/mandatory nature of IESG notes

2009-09-01 Thread Jari Arkko
Adam, So, to be clear, the question you have raised has to do with the difference between: "The IESG may choose to add an IESG note to an Independent Submission..." and: "The IESG may choose to request the addition of an IESG note to an Independent Submission..." Right? Yes

Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optional/mandatory nature of IESG notes

2009-09-01 Thread Lars Eggert
On 2009-8-31, at 19:24, Joel M. Halpern wrote: But the same could be said all our experimental and informational RFCs. Should we insist that all experimental and informational RFC, even from IETF WGs, carry big warnings "THIS IS NOT AN IETF STANDARD." FWIW, this was exactly what I proposed a w

Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optional/mandatory nature of IESG notes

2009-09-01 Thread Lars Eggert
Hi, On 2009-8-31, at 18:34, Adam Roach wrote: In particular, when a user accesses a document at a url of the form , there is going to be a strong presumption on their part that the document was produced by the IETF. In the cases that this presumption is in