Re: Request for community guidance on issue concerning a future meeting of the IETF

2009-09-27 Thread Scott Brim
Dean Willis allegedly wrote on 09/26/2009 1:04 PM: Because China's policy on censoring the Internet sucks, and we have a moral and ethical responsibility to make the Internet available despite that policy. rfc3935 says The mission of the IETF is to produce high quality, relevant

Re: Request for community guidance on issue concerning a future meetingof the IETF

2009-09-27 Thread Dean Willis
Olafur Gudmundsson wrote: I propose an experiment, lets have a meeting if it gets shut down we will never return to China. Unfortunately, if my math is right, if the meeting were shut down and the IETF paid out the damages that such a contract would appear to require, we'd be bankrupt and

Re: Request for community guidance on issue concerning a future meetingof the IETF

2009-09-27 Thread Ole Jacobsen
It may be academic since lawsuits can sometimes cascade, but it is still worth pointing out that the IETF (or its legal arm ISOC), will NOT be signing the agreement, the local host will. I won't comment on the suggestion. ole On Sun, 27 Sep 2009, Dean Willis wrote: Unfortunately, if my math

Re: Request for community guidance on issue concerning a futuremeeting of the IETF

2009-09-27 Thread Doug Ewell
Ole Jacobsen ole at cisco dot com wrote: This is why we asked you. Yes, but ever since the IAOC asked us, there has been a sense of and here is the correct answer to give, which itself feels a bit like a PRC election. -- Doug Ewell | Thornton, Colorado, USA | http://www.ewellic.org

Re: Request for community guidance on issue concerning a future meeting of the IETF

2009-09-27 Thread Dean Willis
Ole Jacobsen wrote: On Sat, 26 Sep 2009, Dean Willis wrote: Because China's policy on censoring the Internet sucks, and we have a moral and ethical responsibility to make the Internet available despite that policy. If this requires technology changes, then that technology is within our

Re: Request for community guidance on issue concerning a futuremeeting of the IETF

2009-09-27 Thread Ole Jacobsen
Sorry if you feel that way. My intent, and I am sure I speak for the rest of the IAOC, has been to provide as much clarification as we can at this stage while acknowledging that many of the comments and questions require further work with host etc. Ole Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher,

Re: Request for community guidance on issue concerning a futuremeeting of the IETF

2009-09-27 Thread Health
- Original Message - From: Dean Willis dean.wil...@softarmor.com To: Ole Jacobsen o...@cisco.com Cc: IETF-Discussion list ietf@ietf.org Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 2:05 AM Subject: Re: Request for community guidance on issue concerning a futuremeeting of the IETF Ole Jacobsen

Re: Request for community guidance on issue concerning a futuremeeting of the IETF

2009-09-27 Thread Dean Willis
On Sep 27, 2009, at 9:17 PM, Health wrote: - Original Message - From: Dean Willis dean.wil...@softarmor.com To: Ole Jacobsen o...@cisco.com Cc: IETF-Discussion list ietf@ietf.org Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 2:05 AM Subject: Re: Request for community guidance on issue concerning a