Re: The point is to change it: Was: IPv4 depletion makes CNN

2010-06-02 Thread Jari Arkko
Martin, What about the IPv6 capabilities and configurability of devices that are much more difficult to configure or update and much more expensive to replace? - Game consoles used for online gaming (XBox,PSP,WII)? - Internet-capable Flatscreen-TVs - Set-Top boxes (e.g. feature-enhanced DVB-

Re: IPv4 depletion makes CNN

2010-06-02 Thread joel jaeggli
On 2010-05-30 18:49, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote: So we need to extend the UPNP protocol so that when the local NAT box receives a request to open up an external port, it relays the request to the carrier NAT. That's like msdp multicast state, who is going to allow you to instantiate it in thei

Re: [IAOC] Proposed IAOC Administrative Procedures

2010-06-02 Thread joel jaeggli
On 2010-06-02 20:11, Doug Barton wrote: On 06/02/10 10:50, Bob Hinden wrote: The IAOC's intent in creating these "proposed IAOC administrative procedures" was to write down what we were doing in areas where we thought BCP101 wasn't clear to us or didn't specify anything, and then get feed back f

Re: [IAOC] Proposed IAOC Administrative Procedures

2010-06-02 Thread Ed Juskevicius
Bob, is this a *new* Administrative Procedures document (for the IAOC), or a proposed revision to an existing document that was produced some number of years ago? If the former, then perhaps the message that launched this thread should have said something like "the IAOC is considering an update to

Re: [IAOC] Proposed IAOC Administrative Procedures

2010-06-02 Thread Doug Barton
On 06/02/10 10:50, Bob Hinden wrote: The IAOC's intent in creating these "proposed IAOC administrative procedures" was to write down what we were doing in areas where we thought BCP101 wasn't clear to us or didn't specify anything, and then get feed back from the community. We were not trying t

Re: The point is to change it: Was: IPv4 depletion makes CNN

2010-06-02 Thread joel jaeggli
On 2010-06-02 16:40, Mark Andrews wrote: It has both dhcpv6 client and server. it makes the assumuption that if you want to assign v6 nameservers that you'll do so with stateful dhcpv6. the product is closing in on a year old so I imagine the product managers fixed the feature set in stone rathe

Re: The point is to change it: Was: IPv4 depletion makes CNN

2010-06-02 Thread Mark Andrews
In message <4c06e306.3050...@bogus.com>, joel jaeggli writes: > On 2010-06-02 15:44, Mark Andrews wrote: > >> now would people please stop on this subject, the manufacturers know how > >> to build this stuff. > > > > The only reference to IPv6 is "IPv6 Gold" > > > > Does that mean that it does PD?

Re: The point is to change it: Was: IPv4 depletion makes CNN

2010-06-02 Thread joel jaeggli
On 2010-06-02 16:09, Martin Rex wrote: What about the IPv6 capabilities and configurability of devices that are much more difficult to configure or update and much more expensive to replace? - Game consoles used for online gaming (XBox,PSP,WII)? - Internet-capable Flatscreen-TVs - Set-Top

Re: The point is to change it: Was: IPv4 depletion makes CNN

2010-06-02 Thread Martin Rex
ned+i...@mauve.mrochek.com wrote: > > As I've stated previously, I believe the main piece that's missing is a > SOHO-grade router that has full IPv6 support, 6to4 support, full > IPv4/NAT/firewall support, plus a readonably intuitive GUI to administer it > all. If such a product exists I continue

Re: The point is to change it: Was: IPv4 depletion makes CNN

2010-06-02 Thread joel jaeggli
On 2010-06-02 15:44, Mark Andrews wrote: now would people please stop on this subject, the manufacturers know how to build this stuff. The only reference to IPv6 is "IPv6 Gold" Does that mean that it does PD? It does not. I don't know and I'm not about to wade through the 135 page test spe

Re: The point is to change it: Was: IPv4 depletion makes CNN

2010-06-02 Thread Mark Andrews
In message <4c06a72c.20...@bogus.com>, joel jaeggli writes: > On 2010-06-02 07:36, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Ned Freed wrote: > > > >> As I've stated previously, I believe the main piece that's missing is a > >> SOHO-grade router that has full IPv6 support, 6

Re: The point is to change it: Was: IPv4 depletion makes CNN

2010-06-02 Thread Fred Baker
On May 30, 2010, at 3:52 PM, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote: > 1) Branding > > Every technology company that has wanted to establish an > infrastructure to support their product has used branding as leverage. > Remember 'Novell Ready', 'Entrust Ready', 'Windows Vista Ready'? > > We need an Internet

Re: The point is to change it: Was: IPv4 depletion makes CNN

2010-06-02 Thread joel jaeggli
On 2010-06-02 07:36, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote: On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Ned Freed wrote: As I've stated previously, I believe the main piece that's missing is a SOHO-grade router that has full IPv6 support, 6to4 support, full IPv4/NAT/firewall support, plus a readonably intuitive GUI

Re: [IAOC] Proposed IAOC Administrative Procedures

2010-06-02 Thread Dave CROCKER
On 6/2/2010 10:50 AM, Bob Hinden wrote: The IAOC's intent in creating these "proposed IAOC administrative procedures" was to write down what we were doing in areas where we thought BCP101 wasn't clear to us or didn't specify anything, and then get feed back from the community. We were not try

Re: [IAOC] Proposed IAOC Administrative Procedures

2010-06-02 Thread Bob Hinden
John, The IAOC's intent in creating these "proposed IAOC administrative procedures" was to write down what we were doing in areas where we thought BCP101 wasn't clear to us or didn't specify anything, and then get feed back from the community. We were not trying to revise or alter BCP101. We

Re: The point is to change it: Was: IPv4 depletion makes CNN

2010-06-02 Thread Phillip Hallam-Baker
On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Ned Freed wrote: > As I've stated previously, I believe the main piece that's missing is a > SOHO-grade router that has full IPv6 support, 6to4 support, full > IPv4/NAT/firewall support, plus a readonably intuitive GUI to administer it > all. If such a product exis

Re: wanted: your old NAT home router

2010-06-02 Thread Lars Eggert
Hi, FYI, a first report with test results for 34 devices is available athttp://fit.nokia.com/lars/tmp/2010-hgw-study.pdf. Slides that summarize the results are at http://fit.nokia.com/lars/tmp/2010-hgw-study-slides.pdf. We have received another 30-odd devices as donations, which we'll add to th

Re: The point is to change it: Was: IPv4 depletion makes CNN

2010-06-02 Thread Douglas Otis
On 6/2/10 12:39 AM, Yoav Nir wrote: Nice to hear "just worked" in the context of IPv6. Did your router give you just an IPv6 address, or also an IPv4 address? If both, does the IPv6 address ever get anywhere on the Internet, or is it always NATted? The router appears to use RFC3056, with t

RE: The point is to change it: Was: IPv4 depletion makes CNN

2010-06-02 Thread Yoav Nir
Nice to hear "just worked" in the context of IPv6. Did your router give you just an IPv6 address, or also an IPv4 address? If both, does the IPv6 address ever get anywhere on the Internet, or is it always NATted? -Original Message- From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.o