Re: motivations

2010-06-28 Thread Alessandro Vesely
Hi SM, the examples you give are /very/ significant, because of the miserable state of affairs that currently characterizes email. On 27/Jun/10 19:32, SM wrote: If you then go to RFC 2821 and you will see that it is a Proposed Standard which has been obsoleted by RFC 5321 (Draft Standard).

Re: Protocol for TCP heartbeats?

2010-06-28 Thread Arnt Gulbrandsen
A lot of the application code I've seen could be described as second-guess one or more TCP timers, add pepper and salt, serve as desired. The second half of that is obviously not amenable to standardisation. The TCP stack cannot take any action. But the first part seems more... reasonable. I

Re: Protocol for TCP heartbeats?

2010-06-28 Thread Martin Sustrik
Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: A lot of the application code I've seen could be described as second-guess one or more TCP timers, add pepper and salt, serve as desired. The second half of that is obviously not amenable to standardisation. The TCP stack cannot take any action. But the first part

Re: The IPv6 Transitional Preference Problem

2010-06-28 Thread Phillip Hallam-Baker
Well lets unpack this. If we care about 50ms response then we probably expect the operator of the service to be interested in making sure that information that can assist is delivered to the DNS resolver. At the moment the DNS service does not provide hints like 'this host best if calling from

Re: Gen-ART LC Review of draft-ietf-6man-dns-options-bis-03

2010-06-28 Thread Ben Campbell
Hi, thanks for the quick response. Followup comments inline: On Jun 24, 2010, at 6:13 PM, Jaehoon Paul Jeong wrote: Hi Ben, First of all, I sincerely appreciate your review work on our I-D. I tried to address all of your comments with a revised version:

Re: motivations (was: Re: draft-housley-two-maturity-levels-00)

2010-06-28 Thread Phillip Hallam-Baker
The fact remains that RFC 821 has the STANDARD imprimatur and the better specification that was intended to replace it does not. It seems pretty basic to me that when you declare a document Obsolete it should lose its STANDARD status. But under the current system that does not happen. This

Re: draft-housley-two-maturity-levels-01

2010-06-28 Thread Phillip Hallam-Baker
One approach that may help avoid that blockage is to use a Quaker poll. [Yes, Yes, consensus, blah, blah] At the moment the mode of discourse is that everyone proposes their preferred solution. So the clear consensus that the three step process is not being applied is lost because everyone is

Re: Gen-ART LC Review of draft-ietf-6man-dns-options-bis-03

2010-06-28 Thread Jaehoon Paul Jeong
Ben, I revised the I-D according to your follow-up comments as below: The revised I-D is located at the following link: http://www-users.cs.umn.edu/~jjeong/publications/ietf-internet-draft/draft-ietf-6man-dns-options-bis-04.txt The difference between 03-version and 04-version is located:

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-eai-mailinglist (Mailing Lists and Internationalized Email Addresses) to Experimental RFC

2010-06-28 Thread Randall Gellens
Thanks for the edits, I appreciate them. I've adjusted the text. At 10:24 AM -0700 3/28/10, SM wrote: At 16:44 23-03-10, The IESG wrote: The IESG has received a request from the Email Address Internationalization WG (eai) to consider the following document: - 'Mailing Lists and

Re: reminder for Itojun Service Award

2010-06-28 Thread Jun Murai
Somebody said the message sent was not delivered on the list, therefore, I send it again. sorry if this is a repeat. jun On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 6:17 PM, Jun Murai j...@wide.ad.jp wrote: Dear IETFers, Please note below regarding the Itojun Service Award. Nomination deadline is 12 July 2010.

Re: WG Review: Call Control UUI for SIP (cuss)

2010-06-28 Thread Cullen Jennings
As far as I can tell, the WG says they wants to transfer some information to achieve cross vendor interoperability. However, what I believe the charter is actually going to do is exactly the opposite of that. When you get your head around what this charter is proposing, it is going to form a

Re: motivations (was: Re: draft-housley-two-maturity-levels-00)

2010-06-28 Thread Martin Rex
Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote: The fact remains that RFC 821 has the STANDARD imprimatur and the better specification that was intended to replace it does not. It seems pretty basic to me that when you declare a document Obsolete it should lose its STANDARD status. But under the current

Re: motivations (was: Re: draft-housley-two-maturity-levels-00)

2010-06-28 Thread ned+ietf
Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote: The fact remains that RFC 821 has the STANDARD imprimatur and the better specification that was intended to replace it does not. It seems pretty basic to me that when you declare a document Obsolete it should lose its STANDARD status. But under the current

Re: motivations (was: Re: draft-housley-two-maturity-levels-00)

2010-06-28 Thread Douglas Otis
On 6/28/10 12:35 PM, Martin Rex wrote: To me it looks like Obsolete: has been used with quite different meanings across RFCs, and some current uses might be inappropriate. Although it's been more than two decades that I read rfc821 (and none of the successors), I assume that all those RFC

Last Call: draft-ietf-v6ops-ra-guard (IPv6 RA-Guard) to Informational RFC

2010-06-28 Thread The IESG
The IESG has received a request from the IPv6 Operations WG (v6ops) to consider the following document: - 'IPv6 RA-Guard ' draft-ietf-v6ops-ra-guard-06.txt as an Informational RFC The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please

Last Call: draft-ietf-pkix-certimage (Internet X.509 Public Key Infrastructure - Certificate Image) to Proposed Standard

2010-06-28 Thread The IESG
The IESG has received a request from the Public-Key Infrastructure (X.509) WG (pkix) to consider the following document: - 'Internet X.509 Public Key Infrastructure - Certificate Image ' draft-ietf-pkix-certimage-08.txt as a Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few

Last Call: draft-cakulev-mikey-ibake (MIKEY-IBAKE: Identity-Based Mode of Key Distribution in Multimedia Internet KEYing (MIKEY)) to Informational RFC

2010-06-28 Thread The IESG
The IESG has received a request from an individual submitter to consider the following document: - 'MIKEY-IBAKE: Identity-Based Mode of Key Distribution in Multimedia Internet KEYing (MIKEY) ' draft-cakulev-mikey-ibake-01.txt as an Informational RFC The IESG plans to make a decision in

Last Call: draft-ietf-forces-applicability (ForCES Applicability Statement) to Informational RFC

2010-06-28 Thread The IESG
The IESG has received a request from the Forwarding and Control Element Separation WG (forces) to consider the following document: - 'ForCES Applicability Statement ' draft-ietf-forces-applicability-09.txt as an Informational RFC The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and

Last Call: draft-ietf-forces-implementation-report (Implementation Report for ForCES) to Informational RFC

2010-06-28 Thread The IESG
The IESG has received a request from the Forwarding and Control Element Separation WG (forces) to consider the following document: - 'Implementation Report for ForCES ' draft-ietf-forces-implementation-report-02.txt as an Informational RFC The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few

Last Call: draft-ietf-ipsecme-roadmap (IP Security (IPsec) and Internet Key Exchange (IKE) Document Roadmap) to Informational RFC

2010-06-28 Thread The IESG
The IESG has received a request from the IP Security Maintenance and Extensions WG (ipsecme) to consider the following document: - 'IP Security (IPsec) and Internet Key Exchange (IKE) Document Roadmap ' draft-ietf-ipsecme-roadmap-07.txt as an Informational RFC The IESG plans to make a

Last Call: draft-ietf-isis-ipv6-te (IPv6 Traffic Engineering in IS-IS) to Proposed Standard

2010-06-28 Thread The IESG
The IESG has received a request from the IS-IS for IP Internets WG (isis) to consider the following document: - 'IPv6 Traffic Engineering in IS-IS ' draft-ietf-isis-ipv6-te-07.txt as a Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on

Protocol Action: 'A Dedicated Routing Policy Specification Language Interface Identifier for Operational Testing' to Proposed Standard

2010-06-28 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document: - 'A Dedicated Routing Policy Specification Language Interface Identifier for Operational Testing ' draft-haberman-rpsl-reachable-test-04.txt as a Proposed Standard This document has been reviewed in the IETF but is not the product of an IETF

Protocol Action: 'An Extension for EAP-Only Authentication in IKEv2' to Proposed Standard

2010-06-28 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document: - 'An Extension for EAP-Only Authentication in IKEv2 ' draft-ietf-ipsecme-eap-mutual-05.txt as a Proposed Standard This document is the product of the IP Security Maintenance and Extensions Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Sean

RFC 5896 on Generic Security Service Application Program Interface (GSS-API): Delegate if Approved by Policy

2010-06-28 Thread rfc-editor
A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 5896 Title: Generic Security Service Application Program Interface (GSS-API): Delegate if Approved by Policy Author: L. Hornquist

RFC 5932 on Camellia Cipher Suites for TLS

2010-06-28 Thread rfc-editor
A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 5932 Title: Camellia Cipher Suites for TLS Author: A. Kato, M. Kanda, S. Kanno Status: Standards Track Stream: IETF Date:

RFC 5936 on DNS Zone Transfer Protocol (AXFR)

2010-06-28 Thread rfc-editor
A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 5936 Title: DNS Zone Transfer Protocol (AXFR) Author: E. Lewis, A. Hoenes, Ed. Status: Standards Track Stream: IETF Date: June 2010

Last Call: draft-ietf-v6ops-rogue-ra (Rogue IPv6 Router Advertisement Problem Statement) to Informational RFC

2010-06-28 Thread The IESG
The IESG has received a request from the IPv6 Operations WG (v6ops) to consider the following document: - 'Rogue IPv6 Router Advertisement Problem Statement ' draft-ietf-v6ops-rogue-ra-01.txt as an Informational RFC The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final

RADEXT WG Virtual Interim Meeting, July 12, 2010

2010-06-28 Thread IESG Secretary
The RADEXT WG will be holding a virtual interim meeting on Monday, July 12, 2010, from 11 AM - 1:30 PM Pacific Time. A strawman agenda has been posted to the list: http://ops.ietf.org/lists/radiusext/2010/msg00483.html Conference call parameters will be posted to the mailing list once they are

Third Call for Nomcom 2010-11 Volunteers

2010-06-28 Thread NomCom Chair
Hi all, This is the Third call for Volunteers for the 2010-2011 Nomcom. We are now 2/3 of the way through the volunteer period so if you are considering volunteering please do so now as the time in which you may volunteer is beginning to run short. The call for volunteers remains open until

Nomcom 2010-11: Status of Nomcom Volunteers (Second Listing)

2010-06-28 Thread NomCom Chair
Nomcom Volunteers (2nd Listing) List is current as of June 28, 2010 at 12:00 PDT (19:00 UTC) If you sent an email to nomcom-ch...@ietf.org to volunteer before 12:00 PDT (19:00 UTC) on June 28, 2010 and your name does not appear on this list, please re-submit and put the words