RE: Optimizing for what? Was Re: IETF Attendance by continent

2010-09-06 Thread Yoav Nir
True. But the visa issues seem to be the worst part of any US IETF. Travel, food and finding a hotel are typically much easier in most US venues then European venues. People from Europe, Japan, Australia, and some other countries don't need a visa at all to go to an IETF meeting in the US.

RE: Optimizing for what? Was Re: IETF Attendance by continent

2010-09-06 Thread Glen Zorn
Christer Holmberg [mailto:christer.holmb...@ericsson.com] writes: Hi, I assume Hawaii has the same visa issues as the rest of US... Of course, and the same heavily armed ICE agents. As an aside, the only other place I've ever encountered armed border guards was at the Austrian/Slovakian

RE: Optimizing for what? Was Re: IETF Attendance by continent

2010-09-06 Thread Christer Holmberg
ICE? So, that's the reason why it takes forever to enter US. They use RFC 5245 at the border... Regards, Christer -Original Message- From: Glen Zorn [mailto:g...@net-zen.net] Sent: 6. syyskuuta 2010 10:21 To: Christer Holmberg; 'Andrew G. Malis' Cc: 'Randall Gellens';

RE: Optimizing for what? Was Re: IETF Attendance by continent

2010-09-06 Thread Christer Holmberg
I guess the chinese (and other affected nationalities) can speak for themselves, but as far as I know it is not that easy to get a US visa - even with company backup etc. I have never heard about people having problems getting a chinese visa, but maybe such problems exist also. Personally I

RE: Optimizing for what? Was Re: IETF Attendance by continent

2010-09-06 Thread Glen Zorn
Yoav Nit [mailto://y...@checkpoint.com] writes: ... I would go so far as to say that getting a US visa seems easier than getting one to China. Who are the people for whom it's easier to visit a European country than it is to visit the US? Umm, Americans? I have lived outside the US for

RE: Optimizing for what? Was Re: IETF Attendance by continent

2010-09-06 Thread Glen Zorn
Christer Holmberg [mailto://christer.holmb...@ericsson.com] writes: I guess the chinese (and other affected nationalities) can speak for themselves, but as far as I know it is not that easy to get a US visa - even with company backup etc. I have never heard about people having problems

RE: Optimizing for what? Was Re: IETF Attendance by continent

2010-09-06 Thread Christer Holmberg
Personally I don't care that much where the meetings take place - I am more interested WHEN they take place. For me it is the PEOPLE that make a meeting good or bad - not the location. There are people working in much worse conditions than we are, and still they manage to do a great job.

RE: Optimizing for what? Was Re: IETF Attendance by continent

2010-09-06 Thread Xiangsong Cui
-Original Message- From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Christer Holmberg Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 3:52 PM To: Yoav Nir; IETF-Discussion list Subject: RE: Optimizing for what? Was Re: IETF Attendance by continent I guess the chinese

Re: Optimizing for what? Was Re: IETF Attendance by continent

2010-09-06 Thread Tim Bray
I should point out that Canada has most of the logistical advantages the usa enjoys, while imposing quite a bit less visa pain. - Tim On Sep 5, 2010 3:39 PM, Andrew G. Malis agma...@gmail.com wrote: I've been to several conferences at the Hilton Hawaiian Village in Waikiki. Both the hotel and

RE: Optimizing for what? Was Re: IETF Attendance by continent

2010-09-06 Thread Glen Zorn
Tim Bray [mailto:tb...@textuality.com] writes: I should point out that Canada has most of the logistical advantages the usa enjoys, while imposing quite a bit less visa pain. Well, yes, except that in my experience direct international flight to Canada are a lot more expensive than international

Re: Review of draft-saintandre-tls-server-id-check

2010-09-06 Thread t.petch
I realise that this thread has moved on to a question of what RFC4985 means (and I agree with the conclusions) but I thought that this post was about to raise a quite different point, that may still need clarifying. see inline Tom Petch - Original Message - From: Bernard Aboba

RE: Review of draft-saintandre-tls-server-id-check

2010-09-06 Thread Bernard Aboba
That was in fact my original question. Section 5.1 states that the source domain and service type MUST be provided by a human user, and can't be derived. Yet in an SRV or DDDS lookup, it is not the source domain that is derived, it is the target domain. Given that, it's not clear to me what

Re: Optimizing for what? Was Re: IETF Attendance by continent

2010-09-06 Thread Fernando Gont
Tim Bray wrote: I should point out that Canada has most of the logistical advantages the usa enjoys, while imposing quite a bit less visa pain. Actually, based on my own experience, getting a Canadian visa is usually *faster* than getting a US visa, but probably much more *painful*. That's my