Re: US DoD and IPv6

2010-10-11 Thread Masataka Ohta
Dave CROCKER wrote: 1. Adopt an IPv6 as Steve Deering originally designed it[1]: A basic upgrade to the IPv4 header, with more address bits, an extensibility mechanisms for adding fields later, and removal of some bits that weren't needed. That is an option because, with port restricted

IETF web site down for IPv6?

2010-10-11 Thread Tim Chown
Not having any luck connecting - seems to be an issue near the server: $ traceroute6 www.ietf.org traceroute6 to www.ietf.org (2001:1890:1112:1::20) from 2001:630:d0:f103:216:cbff:fe8b:752e, 64 hops max, 12 byte packets 1 2001:630:d0:f103::2 0.529 ms 0.299 ms 0.321 ms 2

Re: can we please postpone the ipv6 post-mortem?

2010-10-11 Thread Rémi Després
Le 8 oct. 2010 à 19:02, james woodyatt a écrit : everyone-- IPv6 may have been born with a developmental disability, but we're not dealing with a corpse yet. The patient is still alive, getting better, and with a bit of love and proper care, might yet grow up to make better and

Re: can we please postpone the ipv6 post-mortem?

2010-10-11 Thread Rémi Després
Le 8 oct. 2010 à 19:06, Phillip Hallam-Baker a écrit : What if the key to IPv6 deployment is the realization that IPv6 can only be deployed after we have solved the IPv4 address exhaustion problem? IPv6 HAS ALREADY BEEN deployed where there was absolutely no address exhaustion problem. RFC

Re: US DoD and IPv6

2010-10-11 Thread Dave CROCKER
On 10/10/2010 2:51 PM, Steve Crocker wrote: A compatible solution would have been better, but I don't think IPv4... -- were designed in a way that permitted a compatible extension. Oh? Perhaps: 1. Adopt an IPv6 as Steve Deering originally designed it[1]: A basic upgrade to the IPv4

Re: US DoD and IPv6

2010-10-11 Thread Dave CROCKER
On 10/10/2010 3:44 PM, Steve Crocker wrote: Mebbe. I confess I didn't study the details of the competing proposals at the time because I was confident the people who were heavily involved surely had things under control. Alas... Along with the imposition of ASN.1's complexities as the MIB

Re: can we please postpone the ipv6 post-mortem?

2010-10-11 Thread Rémi Després
Le 9 oct. 2010 à 02:50, Fred Baker a écrit : That's not limited to Germany. Would that dtag.de would use 172.16/12 rather than 10/8 or 192.168/16, as the latter two seem to find their way into so many home configurations. Having the same prefix on each side of the residential NAT could be

Re: can we please postpone the ipv6 post-mortem?

2010-10-11 Thread Masataka Ohta
-- isn't it a bit unseemly to be arguing over how we went so wrong with IPv6-- 100% agreement It's time to use all what already works. That is, use IPv4 with or without port restrictions. It's also time to complete what already works with pieces that miss to quickly extend IPv6 use to

Re: IETF web site down for IPv6?

2010-10-11 Thread Glen Barney (AMS)
Hello IETF Community... Just a reminder that, if you have a problem you want solved, you'll get much faster action by sending email to the secretariat. You will get many MORE responses if you send to this list... but while I've been informed that that is often much more therapeutic, it may not

Re: can we please postpone the ipv6 post-mortem?

2010-10-11 Thread Rémi Després
Le 9 oct. 2010 à 02:23, Brian E Carpenter a écrit : The transition model in 1995 was based on the assumption that vendors and ISPs would support dual stack globally well *before* IPv4 exhaustion. The fact that this did not happen is the problem. Agreed. Yet, the IETF has been IMHO, and to

Re: US DoD and IPv6

2010-10-11 Thread Joel M. Halpern
Without getting into the question of whether your suggestion would have helped anything in terms of transition and interoperability, it shares one major flaw with the path we did adopt. There is no incentive to spend resources to get there. No matter how elegant it is technically, without a

Re: can we please postpone the ipv6 post-mortem?

2010-10-11 Thread Rémi Després
Le 9 oct. 2010 à 04:47, Martin Rex a écrit : Fred Baker wrote: On Oct 8, 2010, at 3:42 PM, Martin Rex wrote: Huh? Hardly anyone support IPv6 these days. Well, the hardly anyone seems to include all Windows, Macosx, 50% of windows is on WindowsXP where IPv6 is off by default. On

Re: US DoD and IPv6

2010-10-11 Thread Dave CROCKER
On 10/11/2010 8:25 AM, Joel M. Halpern wrote: Without getting into the question of whether your suggestion would have helped anything in terms of transition and interoperability, it shares one major flaw with the path we did adopt. There is no incentive to spend resources to get there.

IESG Statement on Document Shepherds

2010-10-11 Thread IESG Secretary
This statement provides guidance from the IESG on selection of a Document Shepherd for documents from IETF working groups and documents from individuals. RFC 4858 defines the role of the Document Shepherd for documents from IETF working groups, and it also says: The Document Shepherd is

Gen-ART LC Review of draft-zeilenga-ldap-dontusecopy-08

2010-10-11 Thread Ben Campbell
I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. For background on Gen-ART, please see the FAQ at http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/area/gen/trac/wiki/GenArtfaq. Please resolve these comments along with any other Last Call comments you may receive. Document: draft-zeilenga-ldap-dontusecopy-08

Last Call: draft-ietf-dime-rfc3588bis-25.txt (Diameter Base Protocol) to Proposed Standard

2010-10-11 Thread The IESG
The IESG has received a request from the Diameter Maintenance and Extensions WG (dime) to consider the following document: - 'Diameter Base Protocol' draft-ietf-dime-rfc3588bis-25.txt as a Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on

Last Call: draft-ietf-dime-rfc3588bis-25.txt (Diameter Base Protocol) to Proposed Standard

2010-10-11 Thread The IESG
The IESG has received a request from the Diameter Maintenance and Extensions WG (dime) to consider the following document: - 'Diameter Base Protocol' draft-ietf-dime-rfc3588bis-25.txt as a Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on

IESG Statement on Document Shepherds

2010-10-11 Thread IESG Secretary
This statement provides guidance from the IESG on selection of a Document Shepherd for documents from IETF working groups and documents from individuals. RFC 4858 defines the role of the Document Shepherd for documents from IETF working groups, and it also says: The Document Shepherd is

Re: Informational RFC to be: draft-livingood-web-notification-09.txt

2010-10-11 Thread The IESG
The IESG has no problem with the publication of 'Comcast's Web Notification System Design' draft-livingood-web-notification-09.txt as an Informational RFC. The IESG would also like the RFC-Editor to review the comments in the datatracker

Last Call: draft-ietf-geopriv-rfc3825bis-12.txt (Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol Options for Coordinate-based Location Configuration Information) to Proposed Standard

2010-10-11 Thread The IESG
The IESG has received a request from the Geographic Location/Privacy WG (geopriv) to consider the following document: - 'Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol Options for Coordinate-based Location Configuration Information' draft-ietf-geopriv-rfc3825bis-12.txt as a Proposed Standard The IESG