Re: draft-iab-dns-applications - clarification re: Send-N

2010-10-21 Thread Phillip Hallam-Baker
It is quite possible and rather likely that the PSTN will disappear but the numbering system will not. Telephone numbers have a major advantage of being able to be dialed from a 12 button keypad without kludges. China and other countries that have syllabaries rather than alphabets are likely to

RE: draft-iab-dns-applications - clarification re: Send-N

2010-10-21 Thread Richard Shockey
Because. Its not declining or disappearing .. just ask the mobile operators who have added several billion new mobile handsets over the past few years. Analog POTS is certainly dying but the E.164 namespace is doing even better than domain names. -Original Message- From:

Re: draft-iab-dns-applications - clarification re: Send-N

2010-10-21 Thread Martin Rex
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 9:55 PM, Mark Andrews ma...@isc.org wrote: The DNS is not just name to address translation. It doesn't really matter what DNS translates, all translations are equally untrusted. The architecture of the internet is based on good faith and best effort. DNS is _no_

Re: draft-iab-dns-applications - clarification re: Send-N

2010-10-21 Thread Lawrence Conroy
Hi folks, What you're saying is that you are not the target customer for this stuff. I would guess that few people on this list are either. That does not however mean that a few billion users around the world mostly use smartphones or PCs; either that or I have missed the heaps of 12 digit phones

Re: draft-iab-dns-applications - clarification re: Send-N

2010-10-21 Thread Martin Rex
Lawrence Conroy wrote: Everyone MOSTLY calls from a small contact list, and the same holds for the group of people who call them. The goal is to support them when they don't. I don't know how long a phone number in Marrakech should be. Rather than place an International call to find out I've

Re: draft-iab-dns-applications - clarification re: Send-N

2010-10-21 Thread Masataka Ohta
Richard Shockey wrote: Because. Its not declining or disappearing .. just ask the mobile operators FYI, KDDI, the second largest mobile operator in Japan, has just announced to support skype as a formal application. It's inevitable as data traffic is exceeding voice traffic. It is true that

Re: draft-iab-dns-applications - clarification re: Send-N

2010-10-21 Thread Phillip Hallam-Baker
My point was that folk who are looking at this mechanism as an optimization within the existing boxes should also look at the fact that the box boundaries are wrong and inefficient. The use experience should be unaffected by this issue. A telephone call has ten or so numbers and a DNS round trip

IDnits and RFCdiff Tools

2010-10-21 Thread IETF Chair
We are making a few changes to ensure that critical or essential tools are available on Secretariat-managed servers. As part of this effort, IDnits and RFCdiff have been relocated. You can find them at: http://www.ietf.org/tools/idnits/ http://www.ietf.org/tools/rfcdiff/ Going forward,

Re: draft-iab-dns-applications - clarification re: Send-N

2010-10-21 Thread John Levine
Probing each time when a new digit arrives does not seem reasonable to me. Hi. I have a couple of phones on my desk, but the one I use the most is a two-line phone, one's an ILEC POTS line, the other's an analog VoIP terminal adapter. I have some numbers on speed dial but I often dial numbers

Re: draft-iab-dns-applications - clarification re: Send-N

2010-10-21 Thread Mark Andrews
In message 201010211458.o9lew8ta020...@fs4113.wdf.sap.corp, Martin Rex writes : On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 9:55 PM, Mark Andrews ma...@isc.org wrote: The DNS is not just name to address translation. It doesn't really matter what DNS translates, all translations are equally untrusted.

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2010-10-21 Thread Thomas Narten
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