Re: Request for review of draft-yevstifeyev-genarea-historic-03

2011-03-03 Thread Mykyta Yevstifeyev
Hello Eliot, Thank you for reading the document. Pleas efind some comments in-line. 2011/3/2, Eliot Lear l...@cisco.com: Thank you for the opportunity to review this draft. I do so merely as an individual. It might be a good idea to provide some additional clarity on when to market

Re: My comments to the press about OAM for MPLS

2011-03-03 Thread Huub van Helvoort
Hello Brian, You wrote: Not to mention including the canard that the IETF unilaterally disbanded its group assigned to work with ITU in 2009. Others with more detailed knowledge can explain exactly why this is, er, a lie. Here are some facts: === I was member of the MEAD

Re: Request for review of draft-yevstifeyev-genarea-historic-03

2011-03-03 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Thu, Mar 03, 2011 at 11:27:21AM +0200, Mykyta Yevstifeyev wrote: 2011/3/2, Eliot Lear l...@cisco.com: imprecise. For one, it is hard to observe what is going on on the Internet, and those who do don't usually share their data (there is some, but it is often regionally based, like the

RE: My comments to the press about OAM for MPLS

2011-03-03 Thread Sprecher, Nurit (NSN - IL/Hod HaSharon)
Huub, Good that you mention that you were part of the design team! That is correct. You were also part of the team that worked in the face-to-face MEAD team meeting in Stockholm, July 2009, on the design and the technical direction for OAM in MPLS-TP. You were part of the team that presented the

Re: Request for review of draft-yevstifeyev-genarea-historic-03

2011-03-03 Thread Mykyta Yevstifeyev
03.03.2011 13:56, Andrew Sullivan wrote: On Thu, Mar 03, 2011 at 11:27:21AM +0200, Mykyta Yevstifeyev wrote: 2011/3/2, Eliot Learl...@cisco.com: imprecise. For one, it is hard to observe what is going on on the Internet, and those who do don't usually share their data (there is some, but it

Re: Request for review of draft-yevstifeyev-genarea-historic-03

2011-03-03 Thread Joel M. Halpern
There are, in my opinion, two problems with Mr. Yevstifeyev's assertion below that it is easy to determine when things are out of use. The first point, to echo Andrew Sullivan, is that even if a protocol is in use on the public Internet, it is not always easy to detect. It may be used in only

Re: Request for review of draft-yevstifeyev-genarea-historic-03

2011-03-03 Thread Dave CROCKER
On 3/3/2011 7:11 AM, Joel M. Halpern wrote: The first point, to echo Andrew Sullivan, is that even if a protocol is in use on the public Internet, it is not always easy to detect. ... The second point is that enterprise uses and other private network uses are still valid uses. The fact that

Re: Request for review of draft-yevstifeyev-genarea-historic-03

2011-03-03 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 3/3/11 8:18 AM, Dave CROCKER wrote: On 3/3/2011 7:11 AM, Joel M. Halpern wrote: The first point, to echo Andrew Sullivan, is that even if a protocol is in use on the public Internet, it is not always easy to detect. ... The second point is that enterprise uses and other private

Re: Request for review of draft-yevstifeyev-genarea-historic-03

2011-03-03 Thread Mykyta Yevstifeyev
Joel, I agree with you that it is really hard and even impossible to determine what is going on in the Internet regarding some technology, protocol, etc. If we set the impossible criterion for the Historic documents, this will really make very few sense. So, as I have been pointed out, I

Re: Request for review of draft-yevstifeyev-genarea-historic-03

2011-03-03 Thread Joel M. Halpern
No, I do not agree with you. Our current definition for historic, and our current choices for when to move things, have worked sufficiently well. I have not seen any evidence that there is a problem that needs solving. I have also not seen any evidence that the changes you propose to the

Re: Request for review of draft-yevstifeyev-genarea-historic-03

2011-03-03 Thread RJ Atkinson
Earlier, Joel Halpern wrote: The first point, to echo Andrew Sullivan, is that even if a protocol is in use on the public Internet, it is not always easy to detect. It may be used in only some portions of the net. It may be used inside some other protocol that makes detection ahrder. The

Re: Request for review of draft-yevstifeyev-genarea-historic-03

2011-03-03 Thread John C Klensin
--On Thursday, March 03, 2011 10:41 -0500 Joel M. Halpern j...@joelhalpern.com wrote: No, I do not agree with you. Our current definition for historic, and our current choices for when to move things, have worked sufficiently well. I have not seen any evidence that there is a problem that

Re: Request for review of draft-yevstifeyev-genarea-historic-03

2011-03-03 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Thu, Mar 03, 2011 at 04:57:39PM +0200, Mykyta Yevstifeyev wrote: Andrew, in this case how do you propose to formulate this? Mykyta Not? The goal you appear to have in this is to make the RFC series tidy. As the co-chair of a WG with an old and decidedly messy set of protocol documents, I

Fwd: [apps-discuss] timezone database maintenance

2011-03-03 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
FYI. Please direct follow-ups to the apps-discuss list: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/apps-discuss Original Message Subject: [apps-discuss] timezone database maintenance Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2011 09:45:35 -0700 From: Peter Saint-Andre stpe...@stpeter.im To:

Re: Last Call: draft-herzog-static-ecdh-04.txt (Use of static-static Elliptic-Curve Diffie-Hellman key agreement in Cryptographic Message Syntax) to Informational RFC

2011-03-03 Thread Rene Struik
Dear colleagues: Please find below my (modest) comments on draft-herzog-static-ecdh-05 (an update of the document that occurred since the moment of issuing the LC). Best regards, Rene == I. Editorial comments: (E-a) p. 1, Disclaimer, l. 3: conclusions and should read conclusions, and. (E-b)

Re: My comments to the press about OAM for MPLS

2011-03-03 Thread Russ Housley
Nurit: Not to mention including the canard that the IETF unilaterally disbanded its group assigned to work with ITU in 2009. Others with more detailed knowledge can explain exactly why this is, er, a lie. Here are some facts: === I was member of the MEAD team. A meeting

Re: My comments to the press about OAM for MPLS

2011-03-03 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 2011-03-04 06:51, Russ Housley wrote: Nurit: Not to mention including the canard that the IETF unilaterally disbanded its group assigned to work with ITU in 2009. Others with more detailed knowledge can explain exactly why this is, er, a lie. Here are some facts: === I

Re: My comments to the press about OAM for MPLS

2011-03-03 Thread David Morris
On Thu, 3 Mar 2011, Russ Housley wrote: It does not sound like the shutdown of the MEAD team was smooth. However, the closure of a design team when their output is being handled by a working group is quite normal. From following this thread, it sounds like the wrong IETF organization unit

Weekly posting summary for ietf@ietf.org

2011-03-03 Thread Thomas Narten
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Protocol Action: 'HTTP State Management Mechanism' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-httpstate-cookie-23.txt)

2011-03-03 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document: - 'HTTP State Management Mechanism' (draft-ietf-httpstate-cookie-23.txt) as a Proposed Standard This document is the product of the HTTP State Management Mechanism Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Peter Saint-Andre and Alexey Melnikov.

RFC 6058 on Transient Binding for Proxy Mobile IPv6

2011-03-03 Thread rfc-editor
A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 6058 Title: Transient Binding for Proxy Mobile IPv6 Author: M. Liebsch, Ed., A. Muhanna, O. Blume Status: Experimental

RFC 6080 on A Framework for Session Initiation Protocol User Agent Profile Delivery

2011-03-03 Thread rfc-editor
A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 6080 Title: A Framework for Session Initiation Protocol User Agent Profile Delivery Author: D. Petrie, S. Channabasappa, Ed. Status: Standards

RFC 6140 on Registration for Multiple Phone Numbers in the Session Initiation Protocol (SIP)

2011-03-03 Thread rfc-editor
A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 6140 Title: Registration for Multiple Phone Numbers in the Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) Author: A.B. Roach Status: Standards Track

RFC 6141 on Re-INVITE and Target-Refresh Request Handling in the Session Initiation Protocol (SIP)

2011-03-03 Thread rfc-editor
A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 6141 Title: Re-INVITE and Target-Refresh Request Handling in the Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) Author: G. Camarillo, Ed., C. Holmberg,

RFC 6154 on IMAP LIST Extension for Special-Use Mailboxes

2011-03-03 Thread rfc-editor
A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 6154 Title: IMAP LIST Extension for Special-Use Mailboxes Author: B. Leiba, J. Nicolson Status: Standards Track Stream: IETF