Re: [paws] WG Review: Protocol to Access White Space database (paws)

2011-04-20 Thread Alexey Melnikov
Peter Saint-Andre wrote: On 4/19/11 1:47 PM, Paul Lambert wrote: How does the area that the group is assigned impact the choices of technology? I'm an advocate for an efficient solution set for PAWS ... it will be much like DNS for spectrum in the future and should be viewed as a core

Re: [paws] WG Review: Protocol to Access White Space database (paws)

2011-04-20 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 10:13:13PM -0400, Joel M. Halpern wrote: There is an argument, which you allude to, which would place this WG in the Internet Area as part of infrastructure. While that does not resonate with me, I do see that there is some merit in that perspective. On the other

Politics and technology, was Call for a Jasmine Revolution

2011-04-20 Thread Alessandro Vesely
On 12/Apr/11 18:31, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote: Todd, This is totally confused and you are completely wrong. Under the Federal Election Campaign Act http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Election_Campaign_Act, an organization becomes a political committee by receiving

Review of: draft-iab-dns-applications-01

2011-04-20 Thread Dave CROCKER
Review -- Title:Architectural Considerations on Application Features in the DNS By: Kolkman, Peterson, Tschofenig, Aboba I-D: draft-iab-dns-applications-01 Reviewer: D. Crocker dcroc...@bbiw.net Review Date: 20 April 2011 RFC 882: DNS Concepts and

RE: [paws] WG Review: Protocol to Access White Space database (paws)

2011-04-20 Thread Bernard Aboba
When I hear the term device identity spoofing, IEEE 802.1ar comes to mind (see http://standards.ieee.org/getieee802/download/802.1AR.-2009.pdf). In addition to the liaisons with IEEE 802.19, 802.22 and IEEE 802.11af, is there a liaison contemplated to IEEE 802.1 relating to device identity?

Re: [paws] WG Review: Protocol to Access White Space database (paws)

2011-04-20 Thread Joel M. Halpern
Building from Bernard's note, it strikes me that if we are going to get into device identity, we probably need to be communicating with (liaise) 3GPP/3GPP2, because they have very strong views on that topic. (Whether one agrees or disagrees with their biases, talking to them seems important.)

RE: [paws] WG Review: Protocol to Access White Space database (paws)

2011-04-20 Thread Paul Lambert
How does the area that the group is assigned impact the choices of technology? I'm an advocate for an efficient solution set for PAWS ... it will be much like DNS for spectrum in the future and should be viewed as a core infrastructural component that needs careful design. There are good

Re: [paws] WG Review: Protocol to Access White Space database (paws)

2011-04-20 Thread Rex Buddenberg
On Tue, 2011-04-19 at 12:47 -0700, Paul Lambert wrote: How does the area that the group is assigned impact the choices of technology? I'm an advocate for an efficient solution set for PAWS ... it will be much like DNS for spectrum in the future and should be viewed as a core

RE: [paws] WG Review: Protocol to Access White Space database (paws)

2011-04-20 Thread scott.probasco
Hi Stephen, All, I believe the current wording Robust security mechanisms are required to prevent: device identity spoofing, modification of device requests, modification of channel enablement information, ... is acceptable because mechanisms are required means they should be in the protocol,

Re: IAOC: delegating ex-officio responsibility

2011-04-20 Thread SM
Hi Bob, At 14:04 19-04-2011, Bob Hinden wrote: But that may not always be the case that all IAOC members have a lot of IETF experience. We need to have a governance model that works into the future. Yes, it may happen that some IAOC members may not have a lot of IETF experience. How do you

Re: IAOC: delegating ex-officio responsibility

2011-04-20 Thread Dave CROCKER
On 4/19/2011 12:53 PM, Bob Hinden wrote: 1. ISOC, IAB and IESG each appoint one person currently. Change this to be two each, the same as Nomcom. Each year, they would appoint one person. 2. Move the I* Chairs to be non-voting ex-officio participants, the same as the IETF Administrative

Re: IAOC: delegating ex-officio responsibility

2011-04-20 Thread John Leslie
Dave CROCKER d...@dcrocker.net wrote: On 4/19/2011 12:53 PM, Bob Hinden wrote: [Dave CROCKER d...@dcrocker.net wrote:] 1. ISOC, IAB and IESG each appoint one person currently. Change this to be two each, the same as Nomcom. Each year, they would appoint one person. 2. Move the I*

Revising I-Ds became painful

2011-04-20 Thread Behcet Sarikaya
Hi, It seems like I-D submission for a revised draft (after expiration) encounters so many new hurdles: 1. Version number. Submission page complains about the version number even though it is correct. This seems to be because the system keeps the expiration message in html format as the new

Re: [paws] WG Review: Protocol to Access White Space database (paws)

2011-04-20 Thread t.petch
- Original Message - From: Joel M. Halpern j...@joelhalpern.com To: Rex Buddenberg bud...@nps.navy.mil Cc: Paul Lambert p...@marvell.com; p...@ietf.org; i...@ietf.org; IETF discussion list ietf@ietf.org Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 4:17 AM Subject: Re: [paws] WG Review: Protocol to

Re: [paws] WG Review: Protocol to Access White Space database (paws)

2011-04-20 Thread Cullen Jennings
GEOLOC has been a WG that is somewhat on the edge between Apps and RAI. Much of what geoloc was doing, particularly the location for emergency calling, had real time issues and the interested people largely lined up with the the other RAI groups even though geoloc has uses outside anything to

Re: IAOC: delegating ex-officio responsibility

2011-04-20 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 2011-04-20 21:13, SM wrote: Hi Bob, At 14:04 19-04-2011, Bob Hinden wrote: But that may not always be the case that all IAOC members have a lot of IETF experience. We need to have a governance model that works into the future. ... You may notice that there isn't any intersection with

Re: IAOC: delegating ex-officio responsibility

2011-04-20 Thread Bob Hinden
Brian, If we are going to do this, then I tend to agree with your conclusions. I agree with you that the views of the I* Chairs are important. In the case of the IETF Chair I believe the issue is that it's highly desirable, from a governance viewpoint, that the IETF Chair has

Re: Revising I-Ds became painful

2011-04-20 Thread Glen Zorn
On 4/21/2011 12:18 AM, Behcet Sarikaya wrote: Hi, It seems like I-D submission for a revised draft (after expiration) encounters so many new hurdles: 1. Version number. Submission page complains about the version number even though it is correct. This seems to be because the system

CLUE WG Virtual Interim Meeting: May 12, 2011

2011-04-20 Thread IESG Secretary
The CLUE WG will hold an interim virtual meeting on: 2011-05-12, 15.00-17.00 GMT (starting at 8.00 Pacific, 10.00 Central, 11.00 Eastern). Agenda and details will be announced on the CLUE WG mailing list (http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/clue/) as soon as available.

RFC 6111 on Additional Kerberos Naming Constraints

2011-04-20 Thread rfc-editor
A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 6111 Title: Additional Kerberos Naming Constraints Author: L. Zhu Status: Standards Track Stream: IETF Date: April 2011 Mailbox:

RFC 6112 on Anonymity Support for Kerberos

2011-04-20 Thread rfc-editor
A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 6112 Title: Anonymity Support for Kerberos Author: L. Zhu, P. Leach, S. Hartman Status: Standards Track Stream: IETF Date:

RFC 6113 on A Generalized Framework for Kerberos Pre-Authentication

2011-04-20 Thread rfc-editor
A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 6113 Title: A Generalized Framework for Kerberos Pre-Authentication Author: S. Hartman, L. Zhu Status: Standards Track Stream: IETF

RFC 6169 on Security Concerns with IP Tunneling

2011-04-20 Thread rfc-editor
A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 6169 Title: Security Concerns with IP Tunneling Author: S. Krishnan, D. Thaler, J. Hoagland Status: Informational Stream: IETF

RFC 6197 on Location-to-Service Translation (LoST) Service List Boundary Extension

2011-04-20 Thread rfc-editor
A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 6197 Title: Location-to-Service Translation (LoST) Service List Boundary Extension Author: K. Wolf Status: Experimental Stream: IETF

RFC 6213 on IS-IS BFD-Enabled TLV

2011-04-20 Thread rfc-editor
A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 6213 Title: IS-IS BFD-Enabled TLV Author: C. Hopps, L. Ginsberg Status: Standards Track Stream: IETF Date: April 2011 Mailbox: